IowaLaw's Objective Post Game Analysis: #11 Indiana

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I don't know about you, but this loss ruined my weekend. With about 3 mins to play, the odds of Iowa winning had to be in the 80% range. Tie game, 1st down in field goal range...but just like the end of the first half, they squandered the opportunities away and ended the night with a 20-15 home loss in front of a raucous crowd against the nation's #11 team.

1. Gronk's Performance Depends on Interpretation/Rock Bottom Expectations. The Iowa media's rose colored narrative will likely tout what a "great game" Gronk played. Statistically, he did have his best game as a Hawk (a low bar), going 19/25 for 144 yards, plus a devastating interception, plus a fumble...and zero touchdown passes yet again. Somehow, Indiana's QB managed to complete 6 fewer passes than Gronk, yet threw for 100 more yards. Looking across the rest of the Big 10, 144 passing yards is less than any other QB. I watched the illinois v USC game where both QBs throw for 330 yrds+. But perhaps more disappointing than Gonk's check down safe throws and his inability to make clutch decisions when plays break down was his lack of leadership. Hawk fans have been desperate for a QB LEADER since CJ Beathard. For Gronk to choose to sit out the 4th quarter with the game on the line at home vs. a Top 11 opponent shows he lacks the necessary killer instinct. Drew Tate would have played. CJ would have insisted on playing. Chuck Long would have been out there without a second thought.

2. Bizarre Personnel Decisions Continue. IowaLaw has noted each week that the underqualified new RBs coach doesn't seem to understand how depth charts work. This week, he chose to start Iowa's 5th best RB again in Terrell Washington. Washington, who has started more games than any other RB, averages just 3 yards per carry, less than any Hawk starter in recent memory. Not surprisingly, he took the first carry of the game for a 1 yard gain. Why, pray tell, is Washington starting over Moulton or even McNeil (5 yrd per carry)? It makes no sense. While the Hawks missed Jaz Patterson & Williams, who are good for 6 and 7 yards per carry respectively, Moulton's 18 carries for 75 yards (4.2 yrds per carry) showed some hard, tough nosed running. Unfortunately, McNeil wasn't given much running room when he got carries.

3. Soooo Many Drops. How many drops did Budmyer's illustrious receiving corp have this week? Too many to count. It was a disaster out there. While it's hard to blame guys like Vonnahame (a 2 star from Carroll who picked Iowa over South Dakota) or Large (a 0 star who transferred from the NAIA) for drops. They have no business playing Big 10 football in the first place. Iowa's receivers and tight ends don't compare favorably to any opponent on this year's schedule. It's an embarrassment.

4. Entringer's Career Day While Ngwampa's Career Can't End Soon Enough. Entringer has stepped up bigly. He finished the day with 10 tackles (the team's first double digit tackle day of the year), 2 tackles for loss, and was single handedly responsible for BOTH huge stops on 4th down. Meanwhile, Iowa's highly touted 4 year starter at safety was nowhere to be found again. Indiana's huge run at the end of the 1st half that led to 3 cheap points came from X being totally out of position and whiffing like a freshmen walk-on. The huge pass play that ended the game...also a result of X being totally out of position and whiffing. In fact, the only time X was seen on the entire telecast (because he has a knack of never being around the ball on runs or passes) was when he nearly had a costly personal foul penalty by clocking the QB a split second before he stepped out of bounds in a tie game. The Hawks have been blessed with so many walk-ons who became stud safeties. It's sad to see their one 5 star safety in my lifetime turn out to be such a bust.

5. Lutmer's Play of the Game. The pride of tiny Rock Rapids had the biggest play of his career late in the 4th quarter. A play that most of the time would have resulted in a huge win. Lutmer's interception and his subsequent 38 yard return provided more offensive spark than Hank Brown's 13 passes (4 yrds per pass) and every WR on the team other than Philips, who finished with 64 yards receiving.
 
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Two terrible turnovers? He had the tipped ball pick, which was more unfortunate than terrible. What was other?

Of course his performance is going to be “dependent on interpretation” if you start inventing **** that didn’t even happen. Why not throw in a 90 bomb for a game winning TD next week just for the hell if it?
 

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This was Gronowski's best performance yet. He played well, despite his disastrous start. Put the ball where it needed to be, picked up first downs, and scored us a TD. This is against one of the statistically and objectively best defenses in the nation. He continues to improve week to week, and the narrative after the game is that we could've won if he was in. That goes to show the difference he's made so far. Continue to dream about having an Oregon level QB like an idiot, in reality, it's going to take us a long, long time to repair our offense's reputation and build up the offense Lester really wants. But even still the uppercrust of QB recruits aren't looking at Iowa.

What makes our new RB coach underqualified? Do you say that because you like big words, or do you actually have evidence for that claim?

I look forward to your creepy fantasy response or no response at all since you always run and hide when I respond to your usual garbage.
 

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Two terrible turnovers? He had the tipped ball pick, which was more unfortunate than terrible. What was other?

Of course his performance is going to be “dependent on interpretation” if you start inventing **** that didn’t even happen. Why not throw in a 90 bomb for a game winning TD next week just for the hell if it?
Mark didn't have two turnovers. The guy doesn't even watch the game. There was a fumbled snap that he picked up and got back to the line of scrimmage.

The other interception came from Hank Brown.
 

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Who is Gronk?
If it wasn't apparent to our simple-minded posters on this board, this latest post by coleslaw should remove all doubt that he's a troll.

His first point is complaining that Gronowski should've played through his injury, and that because he didn't, that's an indictment on his leadership.

I, for one, am glad he's no longer hiding his true intentions on this message board.

Now it's time for his bot supporters on this board to come back to reality.
 

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2. Bizarre Personnel Decisions Continue. IowaLaw has noted each week that the underqualified new RBs coach doesn't seem to understand how depth charts work. This week, he chose to start Iowa's 5th best RB again in Terrell Washington. Not surprisingly, he took the first carry of the game for a gain of 1 yard. Why is Washington starting over Moulton? It makes no sense. While the Hawks definitely missed Jaz Patterson & Williams, who are good for 6 and 7 yards per carry respectively, Moulton's 18 carries for 75 yards (4.2 yrds per carry) showed some hard, tough nosed running. Unfortunately, McNeil wasn't given much running room when he got carries.

More garbage about the RBs. Since your last post I see you've upgraded the RB coach from unqualified to underqualified, despite him having coached RBs previously for NFL and college teams. With two guys out, Washington would be no worse than the 3rd best RB, and he only had that one carry. The fact that he started is irrelevant. Moulton got most of the snaps and most of the carries. While it would have been nice to have Jaz and X available, they're not going to get their season ypc averages against the excellent IU defense.
 

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More garbage about the RBs. Since your last post I see you've upgraded the RB coach from unqualified to underqualified, despite him having coached RBs previously for NFL and college teams. With two guys out, Washington would be no worse than the 3rd best RB, and he only had that one carry. The fact that he started is irrelevant. Moulton got most of the snaps and most of the carries. While it would have been nice to have Jaz and X available, they're not going to get their season ypc averages against the excellent IU defense.
As bad as op take was how can you still be justifying Washington getting pt ahead of pretty much anyone?
 

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As bad as op take was how can you still be justifying Washington getting pt ahead of pretty much anyone?
Iowa had three RBs available, one of whom had been out with a shoulder injury and the other who is a true frosh, and Washington still got very little PT after that first series. He's necessarily going to get some snaps until Jax and X return from injury.
 

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After a day of reflection, the D had soo many "almost" huge plays. I know that can be frustrating to watch, but also I am happy to see their determination and won't be suprised to see that unit lead to a suprisingly successfully season. That is if the offense can gel and QB1 stays healthy and improves. And that last drive leading to the missed FG was all on KF IMHO. What the hell was he doing / what the everlasting F was that.. is still my thought. Other than that, this could actually turn out to be a decent season.
 

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If it wasn't apparent to our simple-minded posters on this board, this latest post by coleslaw should remove all doubt that he's a troll.

His first point is complaining that Gronowski should've played through his injury, and that because he didn't, that's an indictment on his leadership.

I, for one, am glad he's no longer hiding his true intentions on this message board.

Now it's time for his bot supporters on this board to come back to reality.
This board is about 35% trolls and they're hard to separate from some of the so called Iowa fans...
 
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I don't know about you, but this loss ruined my weekend. With about 3 mins to play, the odds of Iowa winning had to be in the 80% range. Tie game, 1st down in field goal range...but just like the end of the first half, they squandered the opportunities away and ended the night with a 20-15 home loss in front of a raucous crowd against the nation's #11 team.

1. Gronk's Performance Depends on Interpretation/Rock Bottom Expectations. The Iowa media's rose colored narrative will likely tout what a "great game" Gronk played. Statistically, he did have his best game as a Hawk (a low bar), going 19/25 for 144 yards, plus a devastating interception, plus a fumble...and zero touchdown passes yet again. Somehow, Indiana's QB managed to complete 6 fewer passes than Gronk, yet threw for 100 more yards. Looking across the rest of the Big 10, 144 passing yards is less than any other QB. I watched the illinois v USC game where both QBs throw for 330 yrds+. But perhaps more disappointing than Gonk's check down safe throws and his inability to make clutch decisions when plays break down was his lack of leadership. Hawk fans have been desperate for a QB LEADER since CJ Beathard. For Gronk to choose to sit out the 4th quarter with the game on the line at home vs. a Top 11 opponent shows he lacks the necessary killer instinct. Drew Tate would have played. CJ would have insisted on playing. Chuck Long would have been out there without a second thought.

2. Bizarre Personnel Decisions Continue. IowaLaw has noted each week that the underqualified new RBs coach doesn't seem to understand how depth charts work. This week, he chose to start Iowa's 5th best RB again in Terrell Washington. Washington, who has started more games than any other RB, averages just 3 yards per carry, less than any Hawk starter in recent memory. Not surprisingly, he took the first carry of the game for a 1 yard gain. Why, pray tell, is Washington starting over Moulton or even McNeil (5 yrd per carry)? It makes no sense. While the Hawks missed Jaz Patterson & Williams, who are good for 6 and 7 yards per carry respectively, Moulton's 18 carries for 75 yards (4.2 yrds per carry) showed some hard, tough nosed running. Unfortunately, McNeil wasn't given much running room when he got carries.

3. Soooo Many Drops. How many drops did Budmyer's illustrious receiving corp have this week? Too many to count. It was a disaster out there. While it's hard to blame guys like Vonnahame (a 2 star from Carroll who picked Iowa over South Dakota) or Large (a 0 star who transferred from the NAIA) for drops. They have no business playing Big 10 football in the first place. Iowa's receivers and tight ends don't compare favorably to any opponent on this year's schedule. It's an embarrassment.

4. Entringer's Career Day While Ngwampa's Career Can't End Soon Enough. Entringer has stepped up bigly. He finished the day with 10 tackles (the team's first double digit tackle day of the year), 2 tackles for loss, and was single handedly responsible for BOTH huge stops on 4th down. Meanwhile, Iowa's highly touted 4 year starter at safety was nowhere to be found again. Indiana's huge run at the end of the 1st half that led to 3 cheap points came from X being totally out of position and whiffing like a freshmen walk-on. The huge pass play that ended the game...also a result of X being totally out of position and whiffing. In fact, the only time X was seen on the entire telecast (because he has a knack of never being around the ball on runs or passes) was when he nearly had a costly personal foul penalty by clocking the QB a split second before he stepped out of bounds in a tie game. The Hawks have been blessed with so many walk-ons who became stud safeties. It's sad to see their one 5 star safety in my lifetime turn out to be such a bust.

5. Lutmer's Play of the Game. The pride of tiny Rock Rapids had the biggest play of his career late in the 4th quarter. A play that most of the time would have resulted in a huge win. Lutmer's interception and his subsequent 38 yard return provided more offensive spark than Hank Brown's 13 passes (4 yrds per pass) and every WR on the team other than Philips, who finished with 64 yards receiving.
#2 and #4 just seem off base, less objective. Your second point is bitching about who touched the ball first in a 60 minute game? And #4, great game by Keon, but shouldn't your point be that two DB's individually had more tackles than our entire LB corp? Just seems you want to ***** about petty things
 
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I don't know about you, but this loss ruined my weekend. With about 3 mins to play, the odds of Iowa winning had to be in the 80% range. Tie game, 1st down in field goal range...but just like the end of the first half, they squandered the opportunities away and ended the night with a 20-15 home loss in front of a raucous crowd against the nation's #11 team.

1. Gronk's Performance Depends on Interpretation/Rock Bottom Expectations. The Iowa media's rose colored narrative will likely tout what a "great game" Gronk played. Statistically, he did have his best game as a Hawk (a low bar), going 19/25 for 144 yards, plus a devastating interception, plus a fumble...and zero touchdown passes yet again. Somehow, Indiana's QB managed to complete 6 fewer passes than Gronk, yet threw for 100 more yards. Looking across the rest of the Big 10, 144 passing yards is less than any other QB. I watched the illinois v USC game where both QBs throw for 330 yrds+. But perhaps more disappointing than Gonk's check down safe throws and his inability to make clutch decisions when plays break down was his lack of leadership. Hawk fans have been desperate for a QB LEADER since CJ Beathard. For Gronk to choose to sit out the 4th quarter with the game on the line at home vs. a Top 11 opponent shows he lacks the necessary killer instinct. Drew Tate would have played. CJ would have insisted on playing. Chuck Long would have been out there without a second thought.

2. Bizarre Personnel Decisions Continue. IowaLaw has noted each week that the underqualified new RBs coach doesn't seem to understand how depth charts work. This week, he chose to start Iowa's 5th best RB again in Terrell Washington. Washington, who has started more games than any other RB, averages just 3 yards per carry, less than any Hawk starter in recent memory. Not surprisingly, he took the first carry of the game for a 1 yard gain. Why, pray tell, is Washington starting over Moulton or even McNeil (5 yrd per carry)? It makes no sense. While the Hawks missed Jaz Patterson & Williams, who are good for 6 and 7 yards per carry respectively, Moulton's 18 carries for 75 yards (4.2 yrds per carry) showed some hard, tough nosed running. Unfortunately, McNeil wasn't given much running room when he got carries.

3. Soooo Many Drops. How many drops did Budmyer's illustrious receiving corp have this week? Too many to count. It was a disaster out there. While it's hard to blame guys like Vonnahame (a 2 star from Carroll who picked Iowa over South Dakota) or Large (a 0 star who transferred from the NAIA) for drops. They have no business playing Big 10 football in the first place. Iowa's receivers and tight ends don't compare favorably to any opponent on this year's schedule. It's an embarrassment.

4. Entringer's Career Day While Ngwampa's Career Can't End Soon Enough. Entringer has stepped up bigly. He finished the day with 10 tackles (the team's first double digit tackle day of the year), 2 tackles for loss, and was single handedly responsible for BOTH huge stops on 4th down. Meanwhile, Iowa's highly touted 4 year starter at safety was nowhere to be found again. Indiana's huge run at the end of the 1st half that led to 3 cheap points came from X being totally out of position and whiffing like a freshmen walk-on. The huge pass play that ended the game...also a result of X being totally out of position and whiffing. In fact, the only time X was seen on the entire telecast (because he has a knack of never being around the ball on runs or passes) was when he nearly had a costly personal foul penalty by clocking the QB a split second before he stepped out of bounds in a tie game. The Hawks have been blessed with so many walk-ons who became stud safeties. It's sad to see their one 5 star safety in my lifetime turn out to be such a bust.

5. Lutmer's Play of the Game. The pride of tiny Rock Rapids had the biggest play of his career late in the 4th quarter. A play that most of the time would have resulted in a huge win. Lutmer's interception and his subsequent 38 yard return provided more offensive spark than Hank Brown's 13 passes (4 yrds per pass) and every WR on the team other than Philips, who finished with 64 yards receiving.
Great stuff, as usual, Law. A lot of KF bashing on this forum but you nailed in a round about way. How does any coach win any Big 10 games with this awful roster. Credit to KF. He has to stay until 2029, at least!
 

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I don't know about you, but this loss ruined my weekend. With about 3 mins to play, the odds of Iowa winning had to be in the 80% range. Tie game, 1st down in field goal range...but just like the end of the first half, they squandered the opportunities away and ended the night with a 20-15 home loss in front of a raucous crowd against the nation's #11 team.

1. Gronk's Performance Depends on Interpretation/Rock Bottom Expectations. The Iowa media's rose colored narrative will likely tout what a "great game" Gronk played. Statistically, he did have his best game as a Hawk (a low bar), going 19/25 for 144 yards, plus a devastating interception, plus a fumble...and zero touchdown passes yet again. Somehow, Indiana's QB managed to complete 6 fewer passes than Gronk, yet threw for 100 more yards. Looking across the rest of the Big 10, 144 passing yards is less than any other QB. I watched the illinois v USC game where both QBs throw for 330 yrds+. But perhaps more disappointing than Gonk's check down safe throws and his inability to make clutch decisions when plays break down was his lack of leadership. Hawk fans have been desperate for a QB LEADER since CJ Beathard. For Gronk to choose to sit out the 4th quarter with the game on the line at home vs. a Top 11 opponent shows he lacks the necessary killer instinct. Drew Tate would have played. CJ would have insisted on playing. Chuck Long would have been out there without a second thought.

2. Bizarre Personnel Decisions Continue. IowaLaw has noted each week that the underqualified new RBs coach doesn't seem to understand how depth charts work. This week, he chose to start Iowa's 5th best RB again in Terrell Washington. Washington, who has started more games than any other RB, averages just 3 yards per carry, less than any Hawk starter in recent memory. Not surprisingly, he took the first carry of the game for a 1 yard gain. Why, pray tell, is Washington starting over Moulton or even McNeil (5 yrd per carry)? It makes no sense. While the Hawks missed Jaz Patterson & Williams, who are good for 6 and 7 yards per carry respectively, Moulton's 18 carries for 75 yards (4.2 yrds per carry) showed some hard, tough nosed running. Unfortunately, McNeil wasn't given much running room when he got carries.

3. Soooo Many Drops. How many drops did Budmyer's illustrious receiving corp have this week? Too many to count. It was a disaster out there. While it's hard to blame guys like Vonnahame (a 2 star from Carroll who picked Iowa over South Dakota) or Large (a 0 star who transferred from the NAIA) for drops. They have no business playing Big 10 football in the first place. Iowa's receivers and tight ends don't compare favorably to any opponent on this year's schedule. It's an embarrassment.

4. Entringer's Career Day While Ngwampa's Career Can't End Soon Enough. Entringer has stepped up bigly. He finished the day with 10 tackles (the team's first double digit tackle day of the year), 2 tackles for loss, and was single handedly responsible for BOTH huge stops on 4th down. Meanwhile, Iowa's highly touted 4 year starter at safety was nowhere to be found again. Indiana's huge run at the end of the 1st half that led to 3 cheap points came from X being totally out of position and whiffing like a freshmen walk-on. The huge pass play that ended the game...also a result of X being totally out of position and whiffing. In fact, the only time X was seen on the entire telecast (because he has a knack of never being around the ball on runs or passes) was when he nearly had a costly personal foul penalty by clocking the QB a split second before he stepped out of bounds in a tie game. The Hawks have been blessed with so many walk-ons who became stud safeties. It's sad to see their one 5 star safety in my lifetime turn out to be such a bust.

5. Lutmer's Play of the Game. The pride of tiny Rock Rapids had the biggest play of his career late in the 4th quarter. A play that most of the time would have resulted in a huge win. Lutmer's interception and his subsequent 38 yard return provided more offensive spark than Hank Brown's 13 passes (4 yrds per pass) and every WR on the team other than Philips, who finished with 64 yards receiving.
Where were all of these wide receiver drops? I saw 1 or 2 from the tight ends. I thought the wide receivers, especially Sam Phillips had a good day yesterday. I don't recall a single bad drop. FWIW. our tight ends are a problem, not an asset right now. Poor blocking and receiving.
 

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More garbage about the RBs. Since your last post I see you've upgraded the RB coach from unqualified to underqualified, despite him having coached RBs previously for NFL and college teams. With two guys out, Washington would be no worse than the 3rd best RB, and he only had that one carry. The fact that he started is irrelevant. Moulton got most of the snaps and most of the carries. While it would have been nice to have Jaz and X available, they're not going to get their season ypc averages against the excellent IU defense.
Did this guy really just justify Washington starting by saying "Iowa's best 2 rbs were hurt, so since Washington was the 3rd best healthy rb who dressed against Indiana, him starting was the right call." 😂 Is there anything at all the coaches could possibly do that would warrant questioning their judgment to sheep like this? If they start a true freshmen over Logan Jones, he would say "but of course, the coaches are just trying to give the freshmen a little much needed experience."

The mental gymnastics some will attempt in order to validate their homerism could be a skit on SNL.
 
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Did this guy really just justify Washington starting by saying "Iowa's best 2 rbs were hurt, so since Washington was the 3rd best healthy rb who dressed against Indiana, him starting was the right call." 😂 Is there anything at all the coaches could possibly do that would warrant questioning their judgment to sheep like this? If they start a true freshmen over Logan Jones, he would say "but of course, the coaches are just trying to give the freshmen a little much needed experience."

The mental gymnastics some will attempt in order to validate their homerism could be a skit on SNL.
What difference does it make who's on the field for the 1st play at RB?
 

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Did this guy really just justify Washington starting by saying "Iowa's best 2 rbs were hurt, so since Washington was the 3rd best healthy rb who dressed against Indiana, him starting was the right call." 😂 Is there anything at all the coaches could possibly do that would warrant questioning their judgment to sheep like this? If they start a true freshmen over Logan Jones, he would say "but of course, the coaches are just trying to give the freshmen a little much needed experience."

The mental gymnastics some will attempt in order to validate their homerism could be a skit on SNL.
You are such a troll. How many carries did Washington get? Exactly one. Moulton had 18 and McNeil had 4. The latter two also had 6 receptions on 7 targets. Not even a single target for Washington. You have no legitimate beef here.

Psychologists would call your mental gymnastics comment projection.
 
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I have a question for the coaches on the board:

Doesn't the objective of the running game evolve as the game goes on ... meaning that the coach utilizes the varying talents of the different runners at different points throughout the game?

At the outset, aren't we starting a process of wearing down the defense and at the same time watching for signs of how they are defending?
Hopefully by the fourth quarter, we have figured their schemes out and are going against a worn-down defense with fresh or refreshed talent ... giving our faster, more nimble, and either more elusive or more physical runners an advantage?

Shouldn't we be matching the skillsets of those players in "The room' to the way that opportunities evolve throughout the course of the game?
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Theoretically, we have several players ready to go at all times, each with different styles and abilities to contribute depending on the task immediately at hand?

Playing the "best" runner until he wears out ant then playing the "second-best" runner and so on seems overly simplistic.
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for the first time in 11 years I went to the game. tailgated outside. stadium has grown. amount of women everywhere seems to have grown. I like that part. the hawk offense is still like watching paint dry. that does not change
 
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