Schiano is washed. Who should replace him?

[yesrutgers01]

"Despite other mitigating factors – such as that the speedy Wilson may have been safe at first even if Buckner had fielded the ball[2], or that Boston's pitching had already squandered a three-run lead and that Buckner making the play would have merely prolonged the game and not clinched victory for Boston – the play is often known as the "Buckner play" and the loss blamed on the play's eponymous figure."

After the first Iowa TD, I said to my better half- let's beat the traffic. Should have went with my instincts!!!

I get what each is saying. You are correct- this game was loaded with reasons we lost.- BTW, why in any world did Greg continue to kick to their returner? His solution after the first mistake which was 4 yds deep, was to have our kicker kick it 6 yards deep instead?

we did not tackle and I have never seen a game with so many receivers open without a defender in sight. The penalty that killed our first FG. Though, we still should have made it. The blocked FG- and how Iowa was allowed to just leapfrog our entire OL including the center?
Ferenz also schooled Greg on halftime adjustments.
but, all of that did happen but we still win it if we didn’t get called for holding. And that was not of the ref, the ref made the correct call. But that single play could have been the win, even with everything else we did wrong.

I also think we just don’t coach smart on offense. Our big WR’s were dominating in the first half. And not just because of size but they were winning the battle of the football and were catching everything. AK was also dead on.
Coaches need to see that at half and ask themselves what the HOF coach on the other side is going to do- that was going to be pressure. Raymond did a great job chipping, but why are we the only team in the universe that doesn’t have plays drawn up to counter pressure. We see our team get gashed every week by RB’s that do their chip and then open for the perfect screen up the middle. I already know if we do the same play, it is going to be to the outside and to the left or our RB just stays on his block.
drives me crazy.
mans again- why was any f-ing kick near their returner???

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

We can agree to disagree here, the problem is- "Even with all the other things going wrong."
Special teams has been a disaster under 2.0, and he refuses to hire a full time coach to fix it.
The defensive coordinator situation this year is awful. The unit that used to be Rutgers' identity is a shell of its former self.
There is still time to right the ship. Teams can improve over the course of a year. No better time than against Minnesota.

I think your misunderstanding what I was saying. I was not implying that any of those things (the KO return coverage, false start on the FG, the block, etc.) are “okay”. The title of this thread is - Schiano is washed up.

My point was simply that even with all those problems and a depleted D that has struggled to begin with, we did enough things well in the game to have a 4 point lead with a chance to get a defensive stop on 3rd and long midway through Q4 - and the D held but for a sloppy penalty unrelated to the play itself.

We’re 3-1 - and while the loss was disappointing, dismissing Greg as washed up and on a chopping block from it seems ridiculous to me. That’s all.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I think your misunderstanding what I was saying. I was not implying that any of those things (the KO return coverage, false start on the FG, the block, etc.) are “okay”. The title of this thread is - Schiano is washed up.

My point was simply that even with all those problems and a depleted D that has struggled to begin with, we did enough things well in the game to have a 4 point lead with a chance to get a defensive stop on 3rd and long midway through Q4 - and the D held but for a sloppy penalty unrelated to the play itself.

We’re 3-1 - and while the loss was disappointing, dismissing Greg as washed up and on a chopping block from it seems ridiculous to me. That’s all.

3-1....you looked at that 3-1 right???

Hes not saying chopping block...

He does look less engaged, animated, more calm, tired, etc this go round

 

[NotInRHouse]

CC has a 13M buyout to hire him. It goes down as the years go by. I wouldn’t want to pay that plus my fired staff…a lot of dead money when athletic departments are trying to find money to pay players.

I would imagine UF in particular has money growing on trees. There has been a lot of tumult there in the past few years, their president was ousted in I believe less than a year. There are tensions with their board and the state. I don't think they can afford to eff this up. We will see. A lot of football left to play.

 

[NotInRHouse]

One play? Are you serious?
Kickoff return for 103 yards.
Two missed field goals.
Many missed tackles and assignments.
Blaming the refs is a loser's position.

Had that penalty not been called we win. I don't think that is in dispute.

What you are saying is at issue, but certainly, we played well enough to win if, but for that call, we'd have gotten the ball back with 5 min left and a lead.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Had that penalty not been called we win. I don't think that is in dispute.

What you are saying is at issue, but certainly, we played well enough to win if, but for that call, we'd have gotten the ball back with 5 min left and a lead.

It was 7.5 minutes but yes - we would’ve been very well positioned. A couple first downs basically would seal it.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

3-1....you looked at that 3-1 right???

Hes not saying chopping block...

He does look less engaged, animated, more calm, tired, etc this go round

No he doesn’t. He looks like a man who is frustrated with all the injuries. Maybe it’s something his staff is doing. Maybe it’s bad luck. Probably something of a combination? Who knows. He doesn’t look like he’s checking out though and it’s simply not the case that the team was completely unprepared for the game. We dictated the style of play and were in control up until the last 7 minutes of the game where we fell apart after that penalty.

 

[DJ Spanky]

The lack of penalties being called on Iowa doomed us: they only had 2 penalties called on them the whole game.

Case in point, in the 3rd quarter, 2nd and 8 at the Iowa 12, pass into the endzone for KJ Duff, tries to catch it with his left hand as his right wrist was being held by the defender. No flag. The drive ended when Patel's FG was blocked. Iowa got a FG on the ensuing drive off the block to start the 4th quarter.

 

[yesrutgers01]

3-1....you looked at that 3-1 right???

Hes not saying chopping block...

He does look less engaged, animated, more calm, tired, etc this go round

Then you just know Greg. He is never checked out “in public”
He has grown though. Does that mean I want him here forever? Heck no- but the man is as intense as it gets on a football field

 

[yesrutgers01]

The lack of penalties being called on Iowa doomed us: they only had 2 penalties called on them the whole game.

Case in point, in the 3rd quarter, 2nd and 8 at the Iowa 12, pass into the endzone for KJ Duff, tries to catch it with his left hand as his right wrist was being held by the defender. No flag. The drive ended when Patel's FG was blocked. Iowa got a FG on the ensuing drive off the block to start the 4th quarter.

I do agree. Even the blocked FG- called on the field 90% of the time but seemed they wanted any reason not to call it.
And again, even with those obvious blown calls- we got out coaches 2nd half

 

[MADHAT1]

I do agree. Even the blocked FG- called on the field 90% of the time but seemed they wanted any reason not to call it.
And again, even with those obvious blown calls- we got out coaches 2nd half

2nd half play, in my opinion, is a problem for RU.
Seems like the other HC makes adjustments that Schanio has problems adjusting to.

 

[Shelby65]

His last game can’t come soon enough, but sometimes there are no adjustments to make. Once Iowa figured out they could stop the run and also pressure the QB with fewer defenders in the box, they had extra in coverage. It pains Shelby to say that he wasn’t outcoached tactically last week. Special teams play alone cost us the game.

He’ll surely get outcoached a few times in the winnable games, but he didn’t this time.

 

[yesrutgers01]

His last game can’t come soon enough, but sometimes there are no adjustments to make. Once Iowa figured out they could stop the run and also pressure the QB with fewer defenders in the box, they had extra in coverage. It pains Shelby to say that he wasn’t outcoached tactically last week. Special teams play alone cost us the game.

He’ll surely get outcoached a few times in the winnable games, but he didn’t this time.

So- Shelby is clearly hoping he and Rutgers fails?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

2nd half play, in my opinion, is a problem for RU.
Seems like the other HC makes adjustments that Schanio has problems adjusting to.

Perhaps it’s partly that. I think the reverse is definitely true too though. Nobody prepares more thoroughly for games than Greg and that was true even when GW was our QB. We had a lot of successful first drives. Just couldn’t sustain because Greg couldn’t pre-anticipate other team’s adjustments to his own scheming. For this reason, he tends to start with an advantage that fades as the game continues.

 

[Shelby65]

So- Shelby is clearly hopinh he and Rutgers fails?

Shelby knows we’ve seen Schiano’s ceiling in this league, and it took the easiest possible schedule to achieve it.

Shelby would prefer rolling the dice with a new HC and renewed hope, even if it turns out to be a failure, than keeping this guy with no upside and no hope.

Obviously we can’t afford to fire him now, but hopefully he never gets another asinine extension.

 

[Shelby65]

Perhaps it’s partly that. I think the reverse is definitely true too though. Nobody prepares more thoroughly for games than Greg and that was true even when GW was our QB. We had a lot of successful first drives. Just couldn’t sustain because Greg couldn’t pre-anticipate other team’s adjustments to his own scheming. For this reason, he tends to start with an advantage that fades as the game continues.

You can’t scheme to overcome lack of talent. Just ask Belichick.

Our D just isn’t any good. Not fixable.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

You can’t scheme to overcome lack of talent. Just ask Belichek.

Our D just isn’t any good. Not fixable.

That’s probably true. I was more talking generally on offense. We’re always best Q1. Think about how we would get a GW first drive TD and then that would be it for the offense. Now we can do more because AK and our receivers are better. But a lot of it is because that’s what Greg is best at. Researching opponents and planning - nobody puts in more time than him and it does pay off early in games often. He’s not so good at adjusting to things he didn’t expect / couldn’t predict. Hence less success later on.

 

[RU#1fan]

I get what each is saying. You are correct- this game was loaded with reasons we lost.- BTW, why in any world did Greg continue to kick to their returner? His solution after the first mistake which was 4 yds deep, was to have our kicker kick it 6 yards deep instead?

we did not tackle and I have never seen a game with so many receivers open without a defender in sight. The penalty that killed our first FG. Though, we still should have made it. The blocked FG- and how Iowa was allowed to just leapfrog our entire OL including the center?
Ferenz also schooled Greg on halftime adjustments.
but, all of that did happen but we still win it if we didn’t get called for holding. And that was not of the ref, the ref made the correct call. But that single play could have been the win, even with everything else we did wrong.

I also think we just don’t coach smart on offense. Our big WR’s were dominating in the first half. And not just because of size but they were winning the battle of the football and were catching everything. AK was also dead on.
Coaches need to see that at half and ask themselves what the HOF coach on the other side is going to do- that was going to be pressure. Raymond did a great job chipping, but why are we the only team in the universe that doesn’t have plays drawn up to counter pressure. We see our team get gashed every week by RB’s that do their chip and then open for the perfect screen up the middle. I already know if we do the same play, it is going to be to the outside and to the left or our RB just stays on his block.
drives me crazy.
mans again- why was any f-ing kick near their returner???

Greg will still insist he was right.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Greg will still insist he was right.

Yep- I’m sure he was confident the returner would run time out in the half on the punt return instead of going out of bounds in FG range with time on the clock

 

[CatManTrue]

Yep- I’m sure he was confident the returner would run time out in the half on the punt return instead of going out of bounds in FG range with time on the clock

Today’s loss was worse than the one against Iowa because the refs didn’t job us.

Tough to watch Kaliakmanis make that mistake for a 15 yard loss.

If Greg can’t win with this QB, then who can he win with?

 

[jsol_05]

The Syracuse dude is a great coach…he’ll be a big ten or sec coach soon…Kirby smart coaching alum…that young man is going places…

In what universe would you call a sub 500 coach a great coach. Also great coaches have more than 1 option to return to college football.

 

[Anon1754923206]

In what universe would you call a sub 500 coach a great coach. Also great coaches have more than 1 option to return to college football.

Because he took a disaster in Syracuse and has them playing hard and very well…give your brain a shake sunshine. He’s accomplished more than GS 2.0 has…in a very short time. PAY ATTENTION. GS is NOT the answer…PERIOD. SUCKS TO
ADMIT.

 

[RU#1fan]

Coach is finished…..just going through the motions.
He knows he is not a B1G Coach.
Just a matter of when AD Keli can use her fundraising skills and get money to buy this Clown Coach out.

 

[RU_Goo]

He is washed as in really nobody decent wants to work for him and we are paying the price for that . I appreciate what he’s done here but we are going backwards now , it’s pretty clear what’s the ending here. To better days under the new president and admin !

 

[CatManTrue]

Because he took a disaster in Syracuse and has them playing hard and very well…give your brain a shake sunshine. He’s accomplished more than GS 2.0 has…in a very short time. PAY ATTENTION. GS is NOT the answer…PERIOD. SUCKS TO
ADMIT.

Syracuse lost big today to Duke. By 5 TDs.

I want Rutgers to make a move but doubt the Syracuse HC will win in the B1G

 

[noble106]

What about losing talent to NIL? Schiano can't be blamed for losing players like Mohammed Toure. Defense has bigger issues than just the staffing issues that we had during the preseason.


If we're going to roast Schiano today, we should do it objectively and not be irrationally emotional over this loss today.

 

[CatManTrue]

What about losing talent to NIL? Schiano can't be blamed for losing players like Mohammed Toure. Defense has bigger issues than just the staffing issues that we had during the preseason.


If we're going to roast Schiano today, we should do it objectively and not be irrationally emotional over this loss today.

The right coach would bring more NIL funding.

Schiano is not a beloved coach. Do you recall the Tennessee furor when they almost hired him?

He didn’t blow the whistle at Ped State, and he’s blowing it on his second chance. He looks slower on the sidelines and in interviews. We’re beating a dead horse.

 

[noble106]

The right coach would bring more NIL funding.

Schiano is not a beloved coach. Do you recall the Tennessee furor when they almost hired him?

He didn’t blow the whistle at Ped State, and he’s blowing it on his second chance. He looks slower on the sidelines and in interviews. We’re beating a dead horse.

So now you're resorting to slander to get your point across?

What has any coach we've hired in the last 40 years done for the program that comes close to Schiano carrying us into the Big 10?

And NIL isn't up to the head coach. That's on the AD, who 1) we haven't had for one full season and 2) the last one we did have was absolutely a disaster that no school should ever hire.

 

[RUTGERS95]

So now you're resorting to slander to get your point across?

What has any coach we've hired in the last 40 years done for the program that comes close to Schiano carrying us into the Big 10?

And NIL isn't up to the head coach. That's on the AD, who 1) we haven't had for one full season and 2) the last one we did have was absolutely a disaster that no school should ever hire.

40yrs???? bro, the school didn't fund $hyt until BM got involved so it's an unfair comparison.
Flood did better with his recruits
Ash freaking sucked beyond Shea because at least he had funding
Greg 2.0 was going Vedral yr 3 and had to go Gav and played that as long as humanly possible

Greg in 2.0 is taking us backwards with his ****** coaching, terrible player personnel and coach position decisions.

NIL isn't going to help Greg cause he seemingly can't find kids in the portal that will do well here. Watching Oregon, they've got 3 new olinemen coming in from USC, Texas St and Nevada and they're studs. We look at Ohio and get kids that still don't have a sack. we have zero depth

Greg is not the great evaluator people think he is......

 

[rutgersguy2]

School based NIL is the largest piece for most schools starting this year. If you can find the money in the AD you can pay up to that 13-15M cap for football.

This year is the last year where outside NIL will be a big contributor. Outside NIL has to be verified in the future. Even the TT billionaire booster who is leading the bankroll of their current team said as much. They front loaded contracts to get in before the cap came into affect but after that it’s just the school paying the biggest share as legitimate NIL isn’t as big a source except for some handfuls of players.

 

[Shelby65]

Coach is finished…..just going through the motions.
He knows he is not a B1G Coach.
Just a matter of when AD Keli can use her fundraising skills and get money to buy this Clown Coach out.

Stealing salary at every stop…we’re the only place that can’t afford to fire him.

40yrs???? bro, the school didn't fund $hyt until BM got involved so it's an unfair comparison.
Flood did better with his recruits
Ash freaking sucked beyond Shea because at least he had funding
Greg 2.0 was going Vedral yr 3 and had to go Gav and played that as long as humanly possible

Greg in 2.0 is taking us backwards with his ****** coaching, terrible player personnel and coach position decisions.

NIL isn't going to help Greg cause he seemingly can't find kids in the portal that will do well here. Watching Oregon, they've got 3 new olinemen coming in from USC, Texas St and Nevada and they're studs. We look at Ohio and get kids that still don't have a sack. we have zero depth

Greg is not the great evaluator people think he is......

sort of…he does have elite fair catch guys. Duff actually signaled at the very moment the punter struck the ball once in the first half. It happened. Just wow. So talented at FCs.

 

[sct1111]

Lol same trolls post here every time we have a loss.

 

[jsol_05]

Syracuse lost big today to Duke. By 5 TDs.

I want Rutgers to make a move but doubt the Syracuse HC will win in the B1G

Don't think the Syracuse Hc would consider Rutgers

 

[jsol_05]

So now you're resorting to slander to get your point across?

What has any coach we've hired in the last 40 years done for the program that comes close to Schiano carrying us into the Big 10?

And NIL isn't up to the head coach. That's on the AD, who 1) we haven't had for one full season and 2) the last one we did have was absolutely a disaster that no school should ever hire.

According to the investigation there was a discrepancy between Mille McQuery and GS testimony. No slander.

 

[noble106]

According to the investigation there was a discrepancy between Mille McQuery and GS testimony. No slander.

"Schiano was never implicated by another party over the course of the investigation into Sandusky, who is now serving 30 to 60 years in prison for his conviction on 45 counts of sexual abuse.[4] McQueary’s statement was double hearsay, which is probably why law enforcement never followed up on it."

Legal Consequences of the Greg Schiano-Tennessee Incident

By: Jeff Solloway On November 26, 2017, the University of Tennessee Volunteers hired Ohio State defensive coordinator, Greg Schiano, to be the next head football coach at the school.[1] Sch…

asuselj.org

Using someone else's pain and trauma as a political move to get rid of staff you don't like is classless and karma's a b****. And you guys are starting to prove Penn State fans right about RU being a trash school.

I'm about ready to quit being a fan of the program if this fanbase keeps up with this defamatory nonsense and the fake moral outrage that's going on. Do better.

 

[jsol_05]

"Schiano was never implicated by another party over the course of the investigation into Sandusky, who is now serving 30 to 60 years in prison for his conviction on 45 counts of sexual abuse.[4] McQueary’s statement was double hearsay, which is probably why law enforcement never followed up on it."

Legal Consequences of the Greg Schiano-Tennessee Incident

By: Jeff Solloway On November 26, 2017, the University of Tennessee Volunteers hired Ohio State defensive coordinator, Greg Schiano, to be the next head football coach at the school.[1] Sch…

asuselj.org

Using someone else's pain and trauma as a political move to get rid of staff you don't like is classless and karma's a b****. And you guys are starting to prove Penn State fans right about RU being a trash school.

I'm about ready to quit being a fan of the program if this fanbase keeps up with this defamatory nonsense and the fake moral outrage that's going on. Do better.

I never said anything defamatory.

 

[CatManTrue]

Don't think the Syracuse Hc would consider Rutgers

Why not? The ACC is dying. Rutgers and the Big Ten would be a big step up.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Why not? The ACC is dying. Rutgers and the Big Ten would be a big step up.

Rutgers fans suffer from self esteem issues lol they always think we're less than we are which is fking nuts. If was a HC, i'd kill to come here because you only have to sniff some success to be revered