That's a big IF. Hawks had injuries too. But this is a recurring theme, especially with key players for RU. It's used as a crutch for mediocre records and failing to win games like last night.
Schiano is washed. Who should replace him?
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I wonder how RU would have fared if we had kept Flood…given his clear offensive success at Bama and utex…better than Ash…which means the program would not have cratered as it did when Ash took over.
Oh well…
Oh well…
Get new boosters and donors.
The ones now may be suffering from battered fan syndrome and the ghosts of HC Ash and HC Flood. That's the common refrain, and we saw it above. . . . . . but, but, but, but look what Flood and Ash did. This is the only coach who has not been terrible. It's not out of line to want (1) to beat a "better" team or a blue blood or a ranked team (when did Greg last do that?) once in a while; (2) to want better than 6-6 and 7-5 records once every 4 or 5 years.
Frankly, the special teams miscues, particularly the field goal unit is really f'd up bad. That needs to be fixed immediately. Totally unacceptable 2 games in a row, and arguably, that unit cost RU the game last night. Second, the co-DC hires is inexplicable given the amount of time it took to secure the hires. They should be fired/demoted immediately, and RU should go after Brent Pry, who was just fired as HC of Virginia Tech. His defenses as DC were fantastic. Would he come here? That's a good question, considering how long it took to hire R Smith after the position was long vacant before he was hired.
start over with a coach that’s a winner..
look at usf. Look at Indiana. A rebuild shouldn’t take 7 years.
Up 14 to 7 without an offensive TD for Iowa. Outscored 31 to 14 from there. Just too tough to watch this guy's 2nd halves. Special Teams is also supposed to be his focus area too.
They already had 2 big returns on us so what does bonehead do after his kicker was putting them into the end zone? Do his usually must have once per game short kick to the 20.
They already had 2 big returns on us so what does bonehead do after his kicker was putting them into the end zone? Do his usually must have once per game short kick to the 20.
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Happen to see somewhere a day or two ago, either tweet or article, but 2009 was the last time RU beat a ranked team and average margin of defeat against ranked teams was like 29 points or something according to the tweet or article. Iowa isn’t ranked so not sure why that stat was mentioned though.
Leipold aside
, we agree most of the time. And our debates are friendly (at least I think so). Someone related to me that as they were leaving, they ran into Keli Zinn, and a fan loudly told her to "fire him" or "replace him." She smiled.
Hobbs was too compromised to make a change, especially after he got on thin ice with the extracurricular activity and yoga retreats. Keli Zinn is not compromised.
Remember the hell and vitriol Hobbs caught when Greg walked away from the negotiating table? We almost had Bielema!!!
Having spent several years in club seats, there is a strong contingent of boosters and donors that think nobody else can do it.
The buyout is too large. There are more opportunities this year- Minnesota (away), Washington (away), and dare I say one of Oregon or Penn State at home? Get us to a bowl, win 2 of those games, and maybe he shows he can get over the hill. But with the injury list as long as it is and growing (which is a problem itself), that will be used as another excuse for the but, but, but crowd. Wait till next year!!!
lol the boosters don’t leave because you fire a clown. They have been here and will continue to. When we fire him it will because our AD has secured the money necessary for the change.
Yeah you’re right we lose the 3 and very very very few 4 star recruits that we develop to lose games like last night and continue to underperform. How many did we develop that got drafted?
Bad coach, Bad guy who could not hold a job at any level outside of RU. Only because we settle for bad coaching and explain it away with “it’s hard to win here”. Let’s get past the battered woman syndrome and demand great things For ourselves and school.
Where’d you get 7 years ? That’s RutgersAl level lunacy optimism. or did you mean 17 years ? I don’t think Schiano will ever win 8 in this league unless the top of the conference leaves to join a super conference. He only won 8 in the BE after the four teams he never beat left.
The combined over/under for the Oregon and Penn State games, only those two and not incl our points, will be 110.Leipold aside
Someone related to me that as they were leaving, they ran into Keli Zinn, and a fan loudly told her to "fire him" or "replace him." She smiled.
Hobbs was too compromised to make a change, especially after he got on thin ice with the extracurricular activity and yoga retreats. Keli Zinn is not compromised.
Remember the hell and vitriol Hobbs caught when Greg walked away from the negotiating table? We almost had Bielema!!!
Having spent several years in club seats, there is a strong contingent of boosters and donors that think nobody else can do it.
The buyout is too large. There are more opportunities this year- Minnesota (away), Washington (away), and dare I say one of Oregon or Penn State at home? Get us to a bowl, win 2 of those games, and maybe he shows he can get over the hill. But with the injury list as long as it is and growing (which is a problem itself), that will be used as another excuse for the but, but, but crowd. Wait till next year!!!
You or anyone can have a complete 180 opinion from me, even vehemently lol, that’s what this place is for..conversation and debate. I don’t have issue with anything.Leipold aside
Someone related to me that as they were leaving, they ran into Keli Zinn, and a fan loudly told her to "fire him" or "replace him." She smiled.
Hobbs was too compromised to make a change, especially after he got on thin ice with the extracurricular activity and yoga retreats. Keli Zinn is not compromised.
Remember the hell and vitriol Hobbs caught when Greg walked away from the negotiating table? We almost had Bielema!!!
Having spent several years in club seats, there is a strong contingent of boosters and donors that think nobody else can do it.
The buyout is too large. There are more opportunities this year- Minnesota (away), Washington (away), and dare I say one of Oregon or Penn State at home? Get us to a bowl, win 2 of those games, and maybe he shows he can get over the hill. But with the injury list as long as it is and growing (which is a problem itself), that will be used as another excuse for the but, but, but crowd. Wait till next year!!!
I think the next two are possible if the offense can keep up the good work despite being on the road. Extension imo makes anything happening unlikely and he’ll most likely do enough.
The Special Teams is stunningly bad. Other than the ability to maybe block a punt or two the rest of the season, what does special teams do? They are a net negative as far as yardage lost to the opponent. We don’t return kickoffs, our opponents do. We don’t return punts, our opponents do. In fact, we let punts roll and give up another 10-15 yards of field position, more net negative. Meanwhile, our opponents are returning them realizing that 10-20 yards of gained field position can actually make a difference (or God forbid, it might even lead to a huge play!). We can block a punt occasionally, that’s about it. We don’t block kicks every week, it’s a low percentage likelihood to happen game in game out. Wished we focused on the basics of actually returning kicks and better coverage of kicks, while we also picked spots each week to go for a punt block. It seems the entire special teams is a one trick pony built around attempting to block punts.
Another thing I’d add is I’ve seen a little optimism for UCLA, despite being 200M in debt, because their new chancellor came from Miami where he supported football quite a bit.Leipold aside
Someone related to me that as they were leaving, they ran into Keli Zinn, and a fan loudly told her to "fire him" or "replace him." She smiled.
Hobbs was too compromised to make a change, especially after he got on thin ice with the extracurricular activity and yoga retreats. Keli Zinn is not compromised.
Remember the hell and vitriol Hobbs caught when Greg walked away from the negotiating table? We almost had Bielema!!!
Having spent several years in club seats, there is a strong contingent of boosters and donors that think nobody else can do it.
The buyout is too large. There are more opportunities this year- Minnesota (away), Washington (away), and dare I say one of Oregon or Penn State at home? Get us to a bowl, win 2 of those games, and maybe he shows he can get over the hill. But with the injury list as long as it is and growing (which is a problem itself), that will be used as another excuse for the but, but, but crowd. Wait till next year!!!
I believe Cal has even gotten a little more support from the admin and alum. They got that freshman 5 star JKS who has been getting good reviews and Bryan Harsin is their OC now.
So there are hurdles but with the prez and AD coming from LSU, expectations might be different I don’t know. Not at the LSU level of expectations but maybe more than they have been.
Alignment is an overused term but it does matter. Revenue sharing is also a helpful thing too not a bad thing. Talent is spread out more and with schools being able to pay players it’s helpful to be in the B10 or SEC.
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Right. Flood did all that at bama and TX by himself. No support at all from guys like Saban or Sarkisian.
And now look what he’d done to Arch Manning!
Just remember, away game (tough environment!) is on the list list of "buts". Here is a running list of "buts" the "only him" crowd uses:
But______:
1. look what happened with Ash and Flood!
2. we are Rutgers
3. we are in the media capitol of the world and too much competition from professional sports
4. we don't have the NIL money other teams have
5. we play in a tough conference
6. Ash decimated the program (4 years ago, 5 years ago, 6 years ago. . . . . .)
7. injuries
8. our injuries are worse than other team injuries!
9. no field house
10. the ranked teams we play are better than the ranked teams other teams beat!
11. we can't be expected to win an away game!
12. 11 a.m. start for Minnesota is too early to win a game
13. we just lost our defensive coordinator, it will take a while for the defense to come up to speed under a new scheme.
Flood is the OL coach despite title at Texas. Sarkisian was/is calling the plays both at Alabama as OC and now at Texas as HC. I’m sure Flood might contribute to planning but the playcaller is Sarkisian.
Since you mentioned Cal. I follow Cal closely, as a bud of mine is a Cal alum. Have often said Cal and Rutgers are bookmarks of athletic mediocrity and academic decency on opposite coasts. At least Cal had a history about 30 years ago. But check out Wilcox' record at Cal-he is in year 9, and they seem OK with his "progress". So, I think what you are saying is Greg needs 4 more years! (total sarcastic pivot). Now watch someone turn this into some sort of Wilcox is better than Greg because. . . . .Another thing I’d add is I’ve seen a little optimism for UCLA, despite being 200M in debt, because their new chancellor came from Miami where supported football quite a bit.
I believe Cal has even gotten a little more support from the admin and alum. They got that freshman 5 star JKS who has been getting good reviews and Bryan Harsin is their OC now.
So there are hurdles but with the prez and AD coming from LSU, expectations might be different I don’t know. Not at the LSU level of expectations but maybe more than they have been.
Alignment is an overused term but it does matter. Revenue sharing is also a helpful thing too not a bad thing. Talent is spread out more and with schools being able to pay players it’s helpful to be in the B10 or SEC.
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| 2017 | California | 5–7 | 2–7 | 5th (North) | |
| 2018 | California | 7–6 | 4–5 | 5th (North) | L Cheez-It |
| 2019 | California | 8–5 | 4–5 | T–2nd (North) | W Redbox |
| 2020 | California | 1–3 | 1–3 | T–5th (North) | |
| 2021 | California | 5–7 | 4–5 | 4th (North) | |
| 2022 | California | 4–8 | 2–7 | T–9th | |
| 2023 | California | 6–7 | 4–5 | T–7th | L Independence |
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| 2024 | California | 6–7 | 2–6 | T–14th | L LA |
| 2025 | California | 3–0 | 0–0 | ||
| California: | 45–50 | 23–43 |
Man you sound a lot like me in this post. Hahahaah. Verbatim what I have been saying regarding special teams, offensive guard rails he imposes and hiring of defensive staff. Especially since Robb (2 b’s) was rehired. To take 2 months to hire a retread with no other chance of returning to this level of coaching at a 2-3x raise, leads me to believe either a) Greg won’t let a new dc run their side of the ball or b) no one wants to work with him.
Yeah bro, who can forget when Mark Cuban bought us a new team like he did for IU
USF LOL look at their schedule
What happened to Sanders and Leipold? Did you decide on your new flavor of the season?
I don’t think they wanted to spend the money either. Things I’ve read lately suggest it may be changing some but I’m not sure.
They beat Minn last week. Looking at their schedule it doesn’t seem out of the question that they could have a nice year. SMU seems like the hardest game and it’s at the end of the year. The rest seem doable if the freshman does well. Too bad they lost Ott to OU.
Lather rinse repeat
1) RU loses first game (unacceptable, we should be in playoff) so 4-5 trolls that didn't post since last season's loss descend on the board
2) What about Sanders? No...um....what about Leipold...um...seems like Golesh is a new contender...not sure who else, but it will be a coach with one good win that trails off
3) Indiana!!!! Oh and who cares about Mark Cuban stepping up, we don't need NIL!!!
The school that waited to fire Flood and Ash is going to fire a guy because he lost to a good team on a bogus holding call and missed FGs. OK, right.
Stunning cluelessness.
1) RU loses first game (unacceptable, we should be in playoff) so 4-5 trolls that didn't post since last season's loss descend on the board
2) What about Sanders? No...um....what about Leipold...um...seems like Golesh is a new contender...not sure who else, but it will be a coach with one good win that trails off
3) Indiana!!!! Oh and who cares about Mark Cuban stepping up, we don't need NIL!!!
The school that waited to fire Flood and Ash is going to fire a guy because he lost to a good team on a bogus holding call and missed FGs. OK, right.
Stunning cluelessness.
See! I knew you were secretly hoping for the demise of RU football!
Are you an Ohio State or Penn State fan in disguise trying to steal our recruits? Or maybe you're with the academic staff and faculty? Professor in Lego studies who wants more research grants for an Eiffel Tower set!
I know….that was essentially my point, albeit dripping with sarcasm.
And look at Indiana's revenue versus ours.
Also, I don't think USF is much better off than we are. But I haven't been paying attention so take that for what it's worth.
The Salaam holding call wasn’t bogus, it was an actual hold as held him for close to 10 yards and never let go. The issue or bogus part is that call was not made the whole night against Iowa as refs swallowed the whistle against Iowa DBs. I don’t recall seeing a holding penalty called against an offensive lineman, from either team, refs clearly committed to swallowing the whistle and letting everything go, then they randomly picked the Salaam holding call to throw a flag. I thought that was the bogus part.
USF beat two straight top 25 teams to start the season. Greg has yet to beat a top 25 team in his 2nd stint.
That is what I meant. The idea that it wasn't called until then, and 10+ missed DPI
We were about to win. It was like a sequence from a Buffalo Wild Wings commercial
Had that call not been made, we almost certainly win. And then is GS a genius?
He's had brain farts for sure but to blame this game on coaching seems odd. It's more one of those games we had with a crazy sequence of bizarre events and calls. I'd put a few notable games in that bucket. WVU 06, Ville 12, even Nebraska last year come to mind.
NIL shouldn’t be as big a crutch anymore because while booster led NIL still exists it’s under “supervision” now for legitimacy. I’m sure they’ll still be finagling but under some watch. Schools being able to pay players is a bigger leveling mechanism even if you’ll never have absolute parity.
Being in the B10 or SEC is a bonus and should facilitate meeting that 13-15M budget out of the 20.5M total many are using for their football teams.
Even cash strapped UCLA with 200M of debt paid Nico I 1-2M to come there. It was actually less than the 2.5M he got at Tenn. That ended up attracting other transfers too but Foster was lousy.
Utah just got the qb and OC from NM and has rejuvenated their hapless offense early this season. The qb or his father said going for the most money wasn’t the only criteria. Fit and comfort matters. Luke Almreyer is another one where I’ve seen similar comments about recently.
I’ve said many times there’s only so much playing time and spots anyone can offer and they can’t horde all the talent. There’s a spectrum of importance from playing time to money and each individual falls somewhere along that spectrum and can even change where they may fall at different times in their college careers. Talent is more spread out than ever before.
long term fine - but USF best two top 25 teams to start the season. That gets hype. That gets people talking, that’s what we need. We haven’t beaten a top 25 team since Greg returned.
Thats a major fail.
LOL If we beat the current UF squad you would say they suck.
Their other win was Boise. And Ohio is looking way better than Boise at the moment.
Yes, the Leipold narrative is getting old.
And Kansas does play in a weaker division vs. RU.
However with our own situation Schiano 2.0 is 13-33 in B1G games.
Have begin to think when it’s time to move on.
To be clear, I am not suggesting in any way that was IU did was corrupt. I am saying that Mark Cuban and other big donors, as we call them, literally bought them a team. Within the rules.
Our donors tried to buy half a team in MBB- didn't work.
In football, we have not seen anyone step up to plate and do here what happened in Indiana.
By all means, if the people saying USF is amazing because they beat UF want to step up and buy a squad of ringers and hold GS or any coach to the IU level, be my guest, I'll raise my scrutiny bar.
But you and I, and they, know that won't happen. So until then, I am not going to have a meltdown over losing to Iowa after an absurd officiating decision with 5 minutes to go. It sucks, and I am frustrated by that for sure, especially given the coming schedule, but that is what happens with football.
And to people saying fire GS- we didn't fire Pikeill when he had a losing season with the ringers, but we should fire GS for being 3-1 with no ringers. As the students, of whom there were "too many" would say- it's "delulu."
It’s all relative whether it’s ACC or B12 or some other conference not the SEC or B10. They compete against lesser competition but also receive 10s of millions less from their conferences than members of the B10 or SEC.
Right. And if we did, you'd say "their coach is going to get fired. They weren't ranked at the end of the year."
I can write your posts for you. Don't even have to go back to the "GS never beats winning teams" and then VT, Washington, Minnesota, etc.
Same crap, different season. Doesn't it get old?
We didn't fire Pikeill after a losing season with 2 top 5 players.
I like to follow the logic. I do think we have a few excellent players on offense, but they are probably not top 5 in the draft. We are emaciated with injuries and playing one of the hardest schedules in America. So I don't think we're firing GS. Especially if we win 3+ more games, which is possible. Seems safe to say he's safe at the minimum this year. And I think that's fine. I think he can fix ST- honestly- I think he can do it in season. And the D actually looked better last night IMO.
Now, if all our fans that hate GS wanted to step up a la Mark Cuban, bring in the top coach in the G5 and the best starters on that team....they have my full support. Let me know when to expect the presser, I have my remote in hand.
Not saying what anyone does is corrupt. I’m making the point that schools playing players a big leveler even if you don’t have deep pocketed willing boosters.
Being in a conference that doles out 10s of millions more than others except the SEC helps in meeting that 13-15M budget many schools have for their football teams. You can still get and keep good players. You’re not going to keep or get everyone but you can get enough to make some noise if you can fit the pieces together right.
If you watch or read or listen to comments from all over CFB you see talent is spread out and not as concentrated as the past.
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