C-1 (potential) blowout

[JAW20]

**Potential blowout**

So... everyone wants to “fix” 8-man football playoff situation... What if Wahoo continues to wax Pierce? Everyone is “so over” the 8-man title games.. Are you going to propose any changes to avoid this? Or is the norm to try to belittle all things “sub 11-man”?

It seems to me that the same folks on here that are mad about “how soft society is and how soft HS football has become and how life is tough either get better or get left behind” are upset about there being tough semi-final games? Isn’t that exactly what you’re preaching? That life is tough and sometimes unfair?

A lot of theories on here... “FCSH deserves to lose in the finals not the semis!” Lol, that seems dumb to me. If you don’t win it all you’re technically a loser like every other team in the state. Just seems foolish to constantly freak out about it...

Perhaps the best solution is to just let it play out how it may and be happy for the kids that are a part of it!

 

[LooseCannon]

**Potential blowout**

So... everyone wants to “fix” 8-man football playoff situation... What if Wahoo continues to wax Pierce? Everyone is “so over” the 8-man title games.. Are you going to propose any changes to avoid this? Or is the norm to try to belittle all things “sub 11-man”?

It seems to me that the same folks on here that are mad about “how soft society is and how soft HS football has become and how life is tough either get better or get left behind” are upset about there being tough semi-final games? Isn’t that exactly what you’re preaching? That life is tough and sometimes unfair?

A lot of theories on here... “FCSH deserves to lose in the finals not the semis!” Lol, that seems dumb to me. If you don’t win it all you’re technically a loser like every other team in the state. Just seems foolish to constantly freak out about it...

Perhaps the best solution is to just let it play out how it may and be happy for the kids that are a part of it!

You can be happy for the kids but not happy about the current system. Those are two different things. The 8 man system is flawed in more ways than one.

11 man has it right. Pierce and Wahoo are the best teams in C1. Its not close. Wahoo is just really damn good. Pierce played Ord and Adams Central. Both good teams. Wahoo played Scotus and Wayne, but good teams as well. Wahoo also kicked the tar out of Aurora in week 3.

 

[bgclub_rivals293120]

Pretty easy to determine that Pierce and Wahoo are the two best teams in C1. Last years C1 game was a blow out too simply because the champ was that much better than the field. In D2, there would be 4-5 teams that were a lot better than Pleasanton. You're not always going to get the top 2 teams, but you'll have a better chance when you eliminate geography.

 

[JAW20]

you might be shocked to hear that I’m a fan of 9 game seasons and 24 team playoff for 8-man... I think there’s things that could be done, sure.. But then everyone’s going to be mad about that too... so I just think it is what it is and we should just enjoy the game we love!

 

[Llama57]

Off topic, but shame on the NSAA for limiting the # of players introduced and medals given out in the post game ceremonies. Those kids were likely on the team the whole year & deserve to be mentioned. If they're worried about participation numbers, perhaps recognize all team members.

 

[NETrackFan]

Off topic, but shame on the NSAA for limiting the # of players introduced and medals given out in the post game ceremonies. Those kids were likely on the team the whole year & deserve to be mentioned. If they're worried about participation numbers, perhaps recognize all team members.

Yep, yet they can spend money for "4th place" trophies for other sports.

 

[hailvictors2]

38-0 in the finals....maybe we need to reduce the number of teams in the playoffs. You know, to eliminate the blowouts. Heavy sarcasm included.

 

[Alum-Ni]

Did not see this score coming. Hats off to Wahoo

 

[clktwr]

you might be shocked to hear that I’m a fan of 9 game seasons and 24 team playoff for 8-man... I think there’s things that could be done, sure.. But then everyone’s going to be mad about that too... so I just think it is what it is and we should just enjoy the game we love!

I really don't think "everyone's going to be mad about that too". I understand what you are saying...just enjoy the game and shut up already.

But don't we want to improve? Don't we want to make things the best they can be? Don't we want to reward true excellence rather than just call it good enough?

I am not completely opposed to your input in this thread. You make good points. I simply believe that some improvements can be made with little or no effort and change. Let's make those improvements.

 

[JAW20]

ClkTwr, now that’s fair. I personally think the answer is 24 not 32.. A lot of people think 16 is the automatic answer because larger classes do it. But the size of class d is so large I think you need more than 16. I mean I definitely don’t see class A wanting only 8 in. I think 8-man is different too in logisitics... 4 seeds, 5 seeds, etc are sometimes best team in the state. The bottom 8 seeds could be cut, IMO...

 

[hailvictors2]

There needs to be a set percentage that qualifies, regardless of class. Top 20% of the class qualify in each class. If it means an 11 team bracket, so be it.

 

[clktwr]

ClkTwr, now that’s fair. I personally think the answer is 24 not 32.. A lot of people think 16 is the automatic answer because larger classes do it. But the size of class d is so large I think you need more than 16. I mean I definitely don’t see class A wanting only 8 in. I think 8-man is different too in logisitics... 4 seeds, 5 seeds, etc are sometimes best team in the state. The bottom 8 seeds could be cut, IMO...

24 maybe, I don't know.

Where the flaw presents itself to me is in the complete devaluation of the regular season. I believe Cross County was 4-4 going into the playoffs. I apologize if I am wrong on who the team was if not Cross County. Cross County made it to the State Semi-Finals. Therefore the easy conclusion would be that Cross County was therefore one of the best 4 teams in the State and that every 4-4 team should have an equal shot at the playoffs.

I disagree with this logic. I don't believe that any 4-4 team should be in the playoffs. The regular season must count for something.

This is nothing against Cross County. It was just an example that I happened to remember. Perhaps there were others.

 

[Yossarian23]

There needs to be a set percentage that qualifies, regardless of class. Top 20% of the class qualify in each class. If it means an 11 team bracket, so be it.

If you just go based on on eligible for playoffs teams, that's 6.4 in A, 4.4 in B, 8.4 in C1, 7.4 in C2, 10.2 in D1 and D2, and finally 6 in D6.

I believe that your 20% was just thrown out as an example, or do you really suggest cutting them down by that much?

Right now 50% make it into the playoffs in A, 73% in B, 38% in C1, 43% in C2, 63% in eight man and 53% in D6.

 

[hailvictors2]

If you just go based on on eligible for playoffs teams, that's 6.4 in A, 4.4 in B, 8.4 in C1, 7.4 in C2, 10.2 in D1 and D2, and finally 6 in D6.

I believe that your 20% was just thrown out as an example, or do you really suggest cutting them down by that much?

Right now 50% make it into the playoffs in A, 73% in B, 38% in C1, 43% in C2, 63% in eight man and 53% in D6.

It was just an example. I think 33% is all you need though. Even if it makes it an atypical bracket (say 10 teams).

 

[Yossarian23]

It was just an example. I think 33% is all you need though. Even if it makes it an atypical bracket (say 10 teams).

Ok. Like I said, I assumed your suggestion wasn't that low.

 

[runningback43]

Off topic, but shame on the NSAA for limiting the # of players introduced and medals given out in the post game ceremonies. Those kids were likely on the team the whole year & deserve to be mentioned. If they're worried about participation numbers, perhaps recognize all team members.

I got the following out of the NSAA football manual.

Individual medals will be presented to the members of the state champion and runner-up teams. The NSAA will provide the following number of medals per class: Class A – 70 medals Class C1 – 55 medals Class D1 – 35 medals Class D6 – 25 medals Class B – 65 medals Class C2 – 50 medals Class D2 – 30 medals Schools may choose to suit up more team members for a play-off and state finals game than the number of medals to be awarded. Maximum number of players announced per class: Class A – 70 Class C1 – 55 Class D1 – 35 Class D6 – 25 Class B – 65 Class C2 – 50 Class D2 – 30

In the past schools could purchase extra medals for the players that exceeded the number allowed in your class. I'm going to guess that Wahoo decided to not purchase the extra medals or they didn't know they could do that. Seemed like all of the Pierce kids were given medals and introduced.

 

[runningback43]

Off topic, but shame on the NSAA for limiting the # of players introduced and medals given out in the post game ceremonies. Those kids were likely on the team the whole year & deserve to be mentioned. If they're worried about participation numbers, perhaps recognize all team members.

I got the following out of the NSAA football manual.

Individual medals will be presented to the members of the state champion and runner-up teams. The NSAA will provide the following number of medals per class: Class A – 70 medals Class C1 – 55 medals Class D1 – 35 medals Class D6 – 25 medals Class B – 65 medals Class C2 – 50 medals Class D2 – 30 medals Schools may choose to suit up more team members for a play-off and state finals game than the number of medals to be awarded. Maximum number of players announced per class: Class A – 70 Class C1 – 55 Class D1 – 35 Class D6 – 25 Class B – 65 Class C2 – 50 Class D2 – 30

In the past schools could purchase extra medals for the players that exceeded the number allowed in your class. I'm going to guess that Wahoo decided to not purchase the extra medals or they didn't know they could do that. Seemed like all of the Pierce kids were given medals and introduced

 

[Llama57]

I got the following out of the NSAA football manual.

Individual medals will be presented to the members of the state champion and runner-up teams. The NSAA will provide the following number of medals per class: Class A – 70 medals Class C1 – 55 medals Class D1 – 35 medals Class D6 – 25 medals Class B – 65 medals Class C2 – 50 medals Class D2 – 30 medals Schools may choose to suit up more team members for a play-off and state finals game than the number of medals to be awarded. Maximum number of players announced per class: Class A – 70 Class C1 – 55 Class D1 – 35 Class D6 – 25 Class B – 65 Class C2 – 50 Class D2 – 30

In the past schools could purchase extra medals for the players that exceeded the number allowed in your class. I'm going to guess that Wahoo decided to not purchase the extra medals or they didn't know they could do that. Seemed like all of the Pierce kids were given medals and introduced

Some of the Pierce kids were scurried off to the side & didn't even go through the line.

 

[runningback43]

Some of the Pierce kids were scurried off to the side & didn't even go through the line.

Thank you, I didn't notice that. Obviously it is my belief that every player should be recognized. It just isn't right and if I was a parent I would not be very happy with the NSAA or the administration at the school.

 

[Grizz8484]

all the Pierce players received medals. The NSAA would only announce the 55 or so in order to save time they say. NSAA always says they are in it for the kids, but are they?????

 

[Grizz8484]

all the Pierce players received medals. The NSAA would only announce the 55 or so in order to save time they say. NSAA always says they are in it for the kids, but are they?????

I feel bad for those players who worked all season and didn't get a chance to maybe hear their name read once at Memorial Stadium.

 

[runningback43]

all the Pierce players received medals. The NSAA would only announce the 55 or so in order to save time they say. NSAA always says they are in it for the kids, but are they?????

No reason why they can't announce every kid. I don't care if it's a freshman that didn't play one snap, he is still part of that team and it might be the only time he gets a chance to play in a state championship football game.

 

[Llama57]

all the Pierce players received medals. The NSAA would only announce the 55 or so in order to save time they say. NSAA always says they are in it for the kids, but are they?????

The school may buy medals for any players over the 55 player limit. There's NO way the NSAA could ever afford to give a few extra medals to the extra student athletes. They have modest buildings to upkeep.

 

[hailvictors2]

The school may buy medals for any players over the 55 player limit. There's NO way the NSAA could ever afford to give a few extra medals to the extra student athletes. They have modest buildings to upkeep.

^^^^This wins comment of the day.

 

[LikeNebraska]

The school may buy medals for any players over the 55 player limit. There's NO way the NSAA could ever afford to give a few extra medals to the extra student athletes. They have modest buildings to upkeep.

 

[SPbObRT]

what a joke about medals and thing. NSAA has nothing to do with kids, hell they don't even pay the refs regular season fees. it's all about the bottom dollar and them getting most of it.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

what a joke about medals and thing. NSAA has nothing to do with kids, hell they don't even pay the refs regular season fees. it's all about the bottom dollar and them getting most of it.

All the schools have to do is pass it to give more medals, its not up to NSAA just write it in and pass it, they will do it. Blame the schools

 

[JAW20]

There’s a set number per class so they don’t have a bunch of leftovers as there’s no way to know how many to buy.. schools pre-order extras to made after the game. I do think it’s strange that the kids can’t go through the line and have their name called and embrace their coach though, that’s odd...

 

[ACICOD]

I’m playing devil’s advocate on this issue.

We give 14 volleyball players and 14 basketball players state finals medals. Basketball programs generally have way more than 14, but we don’t even let them all suit up, let alone give them a medal.

 

[Llama57]

I’m playing devil’s advocate on this issue.

We give 14 volleyball players and 14 basketball players state finals medals. Basketball programs generally have way more than 14, but we don’t even let them all suit up, let alone give them a medal.

Then make a rule that only a certain amount of players can suit up & be on the roster like the other sports. If you suit up & are listed on the roster, you deserve the extra 4 seconds it takes to announce your name.
Regarding not knowing how many medals are needed, my kids have 3 NSAA gold medals at home from different years. They're exactly the same on the front, just the back is different. Not a huge deal on how many to have IMO.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

Then make a rule that only a certain amount of players can suit up & be on the roster like the other sports. If you suit up & are listed on the roster, you deserve the extra 4 seconds it takes to announce your name.
Regarding not knowing how many medals are needed, my kids have 3 NSAA gold medals at home from different years. They're exactly the same on the front, just the back is different. Not a huge deal on how many to have IMO.

I will admit Nebraska is very cheap on its awards did a little research Iowa gives the following, Every player gets a medal, a autograph football, a 10x13 team picture plaque and the also give the Hog award its a trophy to best linemen on championship team and a trophy that is way bigger than Nebraska's state trophy

 

[retnuh07]

How much does it cost the NSAA to use Memorial Stadium?

 

[Elmers boot]

And don't forget the expense for the replay official? Or should I say the "Pac 12 white hat"? Seemed like they(NSAA) stressed calling him that rather than "Pac 12 official". Guess calling him "white hat" makes him better than just regular official?

 

[ACICOD]

I know Kevin Mar, and many officials in this state, and I would guarantee that he’s one of the top 2 or 3 football officials in this state. You don’t work as a white hat in a major conference by being inept.

No need to throw him under the bus. I’ll do some research, but I guarantee that he didn’t charge much to do it. He’s a good dude who probably did it for very little pay.

 

[Elmers boot]

I know Kevin Mar, and many officials in this state, and I would guarantee that he’s one of the top 2 or 3 football officials in this state. You don’t work as a white hat in a major conference by being inept.

No need to throw him under the bus. I’ll do some research, but I guarantee that he didn’t charge much to do it. He’s a good dude who probably did it for very little pay.

Not throwing him under the bus at all. Can't remember which NSAA person (Neuhaus?) called him "white hat" a few times during interview. And Puntney called him that a few times as well during the games. Can't they just call him a Pac 12 official? If you say he's an official in a college Power 5 conference I think people are smart enough to figure out that he is a very good official.

 

[SPbObRT]

well said from the above 2 posters, agree with both of you 100 percent

 

[jonh142881_anon]

Wahoo chose to let the kids go through the line after the game so Coach Fox could give them all a hug and thank them. Why can't schools just get billed for extra medals so they can give them out on the field? How hard is that? If a school shows up with a predetermined amount of extra kids then the NSAA will know they have to give out extra medals and bill the school accordingly. This is not difficult. Having kids go through that embarrassment is really hard and the NSAA needs to hear from the schools so this can be changed. Schools will always buy extra medals to get the kids, assistant coaches, managers, etc a medal. This seems like an easy thing made difficult.