Two sports Fall season

[highschoolfootballnut]

Yutan Invitational

BOYS Cross Country------Football record
1. Malcolm – 17----------------------1-2
2. Fort Calhoun – 37---------------2-1
3. Douglas County West – 59-----1-2
4. Omaha Concordia – 94---------1-2
5. Weeping Water – 108 ----------0-3
6. Louisville – 118------------------1-2
7. Yutan – 122---------------------0-3
8. Ashland-Greenwood – 144----1-2
9. Fremont Bergan – 154---------2-1
10. Palmyra – 165-----------------0-3
11. East Butler – 167--------------1-1
Combined record in football-----9-22
You may not like to hear it but its really hard to be good at football and have enough to compete when small schools offer two sports during the fall season

 

[dolezaljoe]

Yutan Invitational

BOYS Cross Country------Football record
1. Malcolm – 17----------------------1-2
2. Fort Calhoun – 37---------------2-1
3. Douglas County West – 59-----1-2
4. Omaha Concordia – 94---------1-2
5. Weeping Water – 108 ----------0-3
6. Louisville – 118------------------1-2
7. Yutan – 122---------------------0-3
8. Ashland-Greenwood – 144----1-2
9. Fremont Bergan – 154---------2-1
10. Palmyra – 165-----------------0-3
11. East Butler – 167--------------1-1
Combined record in football-----9-22
You may not like to hear it but its really hard to be good at football and have enough to compete when small schools offer two sports during the fall season

This is probably the most scientific poll I've ever seen. Open and shut case.

 

[speedy66]

Great point. I like the fact that smaII schooIs have added cross country because it's added more opportunities for the kids but we wouId be naïve to think that it hasn't been a factor in some of the competition and participation issues we see in footbaII

 

[loveD2football]

Way off base please attend a cross country meet and you will not see a football team running around. It would help numbers but not players.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

Way off base please attend a cross country meet and you will not see a football team running around. It would help numbers but not players.

You maybe right, maybe just a big coincident and maybe those schools just dont have football players, and I am not pretending to know the answer to this, just found it very interesting

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

You maybe right, maybe just a big coincident and maybe those schools just dont have football players, and I am not pretending to know the answer to this, just found it very interesting

Another example of a coincident
Bridgeport Invitational

BOYS CC--------------Football record
1. Bridgeport - 15--------1-2
2. Bayard - 31------------1-2
3. Hemingford - 44-------1-2
4. Minatare - 60-----------1-2
-----------------------------4-8

 

[loveD2football]

Of the top 10 football teams, according to nsaa wildcard points, half of the D2 and D1 schools have a Cross Country team in C2 7 or 10 have a team. It just comes down to athletes.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

Of the top 10 football teams, according to nsaa wildcard points, half of the D2 and D1 schools have a Cross Country team in C2 7 or 10 have a team. It just comes down to athletes.

You very well could be right, works for some doesnt work for all

 

[runningback43]

Are some of those D1-D2 cross country teams co-ops? Hard to believe that the D2 schools have enough kids to compete in both sports.

 

[speedy66]

Way off base please attend a cross country meet and you will not see a football team running around. It would help numbers but not players.

I have attended a cross country meet, and to be quite honest with you, at the class D level sometimes your depth in both sports are neither footbaII players or runners.

 

[loveD2football]

I have attended a cross country meet, and to be quite honest with you, at the class D level sometimes your depth in both sports are neither footbaII players or runners.

So true

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

So true

I can believe that, and I am not for one over the other, I just found it interesting the first couple of CC results I looked at with C and down teams, found they are not very good in football, leading me to believe offer two sports in the same season is does not work very well for small schools

 

[speedy66]

The irony of all this is that the one year Paxton won a district titIe in footbaII (2011), they won a district titIe in cross country as weII.

 

[JET20]

Fremont Bergan Invitational

BOYS (Football record)
1. David City Aquinas - 20 (3-0 ranked #1 in C1)
2. Yutan - 49 (0-3, preseason ranked in C2)
3. Cornerstone Christian - 59 (no football)
4. North Bend - 73 (1-2)
5. Johnson County Central - 79 (2-1)
6. Fremont Bergan - 85 (2-1)
7. East Butler - 120 (1-1 ranked in D1)
8. St. Edward - 125 (1-2)

Aquinas has about 18 boys running cross country including one of the top runners in Class D. That kid probably wouldn't go out for football and wouldn't play if he did. He might have a chance to get some scholarship money for college because of the opportunity running gave him.

I'd like to hear from one football coach that believes having the cross country kids on the football team gives him a better chance of winning. Warm bodies don't equate success. Parental involvement, coaching and administrative support are what makes successful programs.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

Fremont Bergan Invitational

BOYS (Football record)
1. David City Aquinas - 20 (3-0 ranked #1 in C1)
2. Yutan - 49 (0-3, preseason ranked in C2)
3. Cornerstone Christian - 59 (no football)
4. North Bend - 73 (1-2)
5. Johnson County Central - 79 (2-1)
6. Fremont Bergan - 85 (2-1)
7. East Butler - 120 (1-1 ranked in D1)
8. St. Edward - 125 (1-2)

Aquinas has about 18 boys running cross country including one of the top runners in Class D. That kid probably wouldn't go out for football and wouldn't play if he did. He might have a chance to get some scholarship money for college because of the opportunity running gave him.

I'd like to hear from one football coach that believes having the cross country kids on the football team gives him a better chance of winning. Warm bodies don't equate success. Parental involvement, coaching and administrative support are what makes successful programs.

So a combined record of 10-10

 

[SPbObRT]

didn't Norfolk Catholic win the class C cross country gold medal a few years ago, they seem to be pretty good at football also and are the bottom of class c1 in enrollment. I think your own poll needs to be adjusted.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

didn't Norfolk Catholic win the class C cross country gold medal a few years ago, they seem to be pretty good at football also and are the bottom of class c1 in enrollment. I think your own poll needs to be adjusted.

I am in full agreement that C1 schools probably do not have a problem at all offer two sports at the same time, I think it starts getting messy in C2 and real messy in class D

 

[BigFeller]

I'd like to hear from one football coach that believes having the cross country kids on the football team gives him a better chance of winning. Warm bodies don't equate success. Parental involvement, coaching and administrative support are what makes successful programs.

Being a football coach in a small school, I can assure you that in most cases, athletic bodies are better than no bodies. I understand that most CC kids are not football players, but I would take an upperclassman CC runner over a freshman than weighs 80 pounds in practice any day of the week.

I think the opportunity is great for these kids to do something that they are more suited for, but the fact still remains that it does hurt the smaller class football teams.

 

[Artfour3]

I'm good friends with a D1 coach in the NE part of the state that has an XC team. Last year there were three kids on the XC team that could have contributed big to his team. One would have started two-ways, potentially at QB (had stud potential), another could have played line, and the third was a freshman who wouldn't have played much, but would be a two-way starter by junior year.

Class C this doesn't matter, but in the D classes, losing two or three contributors is a big deal.

 

[BigBlue70]

They could potentially impact a football team in a good way, but if their hearts are not in it they could also have a negative impact on the team. Talent doesn't always just simply apply across all sports. I'm all for giving kids more options, and as much as I love football it's not the most important thing in the world.

 

[loveD2football]

I'm good friends with a D1 coach in the NE part of the state that has an XC team. Last year there were three kids on the XC team that could have contributed big to his team. One would have started two-ways, potentially at QB (had stud potential), another could have played line, and the third was a freshman who wouldn't have played much, but would be a two-way starter by junior year.

Class C this doesn't matter, but in the D classes, losing two or three contributors is a big deal.

They must have quit football because that is the only way you know if they would be contributors. Just because you are an athlete does not mean you are a good football player. I know a very good athlete who is an ok football player because he cannot hit or take a hit.

 

[HuskDaddy]

You're right, cross country kids are ruining Class D and are contributing to the wussification of Nebraska.....

 

[Trackman59]

You're right, cross country kids are ruining Class D and are contributing to the wussification of Nebraska.....

OK, "HAPPYTRAIL" I'll let you pick any 5K course in the State and I want to see you run it the way the young men and women who compete in cross country run it. We'll find out who is the real wuss!

 

[HuskDaddy]

OK, "HAPPYTRAIL" I'll let you pick any 5K course in the State and I want to see you run it the way the young men and women who compete in cross country run it. We'll find out who is the real wuss!

Sarcasm is lost in text and I apologize. I ran the Kearney Country Club eight times, it was awful every time.

 

[Trackman59]

Sarcasm is lost in text and I apologize. I ran the Kearney Country Club eight times, it was awful every time.

Apology accepted.

 

[SPbObRT]

now boys let's all try to get along here, lol. on a serious note I used to run 4-5 miles a day and felt very good when doing so, the post was about having 2 sports in smaller schools, my thought on this is how is a skinny 90 pd lad going to help a football team out, they are not going to and if they excel in running then let em run. end of comments from me regarding this subject.

 

[Trent7546]

I know this is kind of late and slightly off topic, but the one school that I am familiar with, C-1 Louisville, has multiple athletes that play fall baseball instead of football. Some of those kids would be varsity starters or contributors, which would be very helpful for Louisville as they are fighting low numbers almost every year.

 

[loveD2football]

I know this is kind of late and slightly off topic, but the one school that I am familiar with, C-1 Louisville, has multiple athletes that play fall baseball instead of football. Some of those kids would be varsity starters or contributors, which would be very helpful for Louisville as they are fighting low numbers almost every year.

I am familiar with your situation it also kills your track program.

 

[teachmehowtosnuggie]

I know this is kind of late and slightly off topic, but the one school that I am familiar with, C-1 Louisville, has multiple athletes that play fall baseball instead of football. Some of those kids would be varsity starters or contributors, which would be very helpful for Louisville as they are fighting low numbers almost every year.

That is an interesting issue, but one that to my understanding, is more relegated to the eastern side of the state, particularly in the Omaha/Lincoln area. Not that players outside of that region can't do fall ball, and maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but that is not really a possibility (or at least not a good one) for kids further west, heck maybe even in central Nebraska.

 

[Alum-Ni]

I also see fall baseball starting to become a little more entrenched, which also depletes the pool of available players for football.

 

[teachmehowtosnuggie]

I also see fall baseball starting to become a little more entrenched, which also depletes the pool of available players for football.

It really is a shame for a couple of reasons in my opinion:

1) Specialization is silly in my opinion, and the seemingly wide consensus among college/pro coaches, and professional athletes, you should play as many sports as you can. It makes you better and prevents those injuries that occur from overuse. we don't need to get into that.

2) Let's be honest, being in Nebraska, you've got one heck of an uphill battle to make it to the D1 level in baseball, given our weather. There just aren't that many professional baseball players that come out of this state. They are few and far between (113 total players who were born in Nebraska according to baseball-reference.com took have taken an at bat). The ones that actually make it in the sport are even fewer and further between. Here is a list of players who made it to the big leagues for at least one game of MLB ball:
-Alex Gordon, Jake Diekman, Tyler Cloyd, Connor Gillaspie, Pat Venditte, Joba Chamberlain, Darin Ruf, Buddy Carlyle, Mike Zagurski, Thad Weber, Justin Christian, Zach Kroenke, Jason Perry, Travis Driskill, Chris Basak, Scott Mutner.

Not a lot of every day players on that list.

3) This is a piggy back point to 1 and 2. Not to be a Debbie Downer and that kids shouldn't shoot for the moon, but at some point, realistic expectations need to be brought into the conversation for kids and parents. It's nice to have goals of playing D1 sports, but if you aren't getting calls by the time you are a junior (usually before then in most cases), then you in all likelihood are not going to be getting a D1 scholarship. I feel for coaches, particularly in small school programs where they lose a kid on the football team who is one of the best athletes in the school because they "don't want to get hurt for basketball". It's a damn shame.

This all came off more ranty than I initially intended, but it is what it is. Play lots of sports, kids.

 

[teachmehowtosnuggie]

Relevant article:
"Competitive drive: At 15, Kalynn Meyer has the talent to be great in three sports. Does she have the time?"

http://www.omaha.com/sports/local-s...cle_8cc5928c-9e48-11e7-b7d2-fb6f95f91216.html

 

[Llama57]

Really don't see XC hurting football that much. I know girls don't matter (at least on most chat boards) but look at the fall season for them. VB, XC, softball, and golf. Even some bigger C1 schools struggle to field teams in all 4. Wish NE would be like Iowa (god I can't believe I said that) and do softball as a summer season with 5 years to play. Summer after 8th grade until summer after senior year. I'd also like to see baseball done the same for HS. I know it may kill Legion ball, but it's time for a change.

 

[Southernblood]

Relevant article:
"Competitive drive: At 15, Kalynn Meyer has the talent to be great in three sports. Does she have the time?"

http://www.omaha.com/sports/local-s...cle_8cc5928c-9e48-11e7-b7d2-fb6f95f91216.html

The only issue I have with this article(it is wonderfully written) is when her mom says “If she just did high school, I don’t think those scholarship offers would be there for D-I."

I can understand that for power conferences she probably wouldn't get looked at for volleyball and basketball, but without club she is a high D2 to low D1 prospect right now in those, and after her freshman season would already garner a scholarship at a power conference school for her discus alone.

If she didn't do club sports, and I'm not advocating for anyone to stop doing them at all, I believe she would be a low to mid-major D1 recruit in the team sports and a top 20 national recruit in track.