Projected Class C-2 Playoff Bracket - 10/22

[Mavric]

# 1 - Battle Creek (9-0, 46.67)
#16 - Elmwood-Murdock (6-3, 41)

# 8 - Doniphan-Trumbull (7-2, 42.89)
# 9 - West Holt (7-2, 42.56)

# 5 - Oakland-Craig (8-1, 43.78)
#12 - Omaha Brownell-Talbot (6-3, 42)

# 4 - Gibbon (9-0, 43.89)
#13 - Bridgeport (6-3, 41.44)

# 3 - Aquinas Catholic (8-1, 44.33)
#14 - Archbishop Bergan (6-3, 41.33)

# 6 - Sutton (8-1, 43.11)
#11 - North Platte St. Patrick's (8-1, 42.11)

# 7 - Yutan (8-1, 43.11)
#10 - Crofton (7-2, 42.22)

# 2 - Hastings St. Cecilia (9-0, 44.67)
#15 - Tri County (6-3, 41.22)


First Five Out:
Arcadia-Loup City (7-2, 41.22)
Stanton (7-2, 41.22)
Malcolm (5-4, 39.44)
Hartington Cedar Catholic (5-4, 39.44)
Centennial (5-4, 39.11)

 

[hailvictors2]

Hey Mavric, I think Elmwood-Murdock gets in as the district 2 champion, which bumps ALC out.

 

[Mavric]

Yep, you're right. Thanks.

 

[LooseCannon]

Man Crofton got a huge win last night over West Holt. That had to kill Stanton to see that. I think Before last nights game they were tied in points.

 

[hailvictors2]

Arcadia-Loup City had(s) the tie breaker over Stanton (based on opponents overall win %). That said, I don't think Arcadia-Loup City has much to complain about. If they beat West Holt (at home) early in the year they get in. Crofton did just that last night.

 

[Coach PowerT]

Is Tri County a district champion? Why are they in over LC/A?

 

[Mavric]

Is Tri County a district champion? Why are they in over LC/A?

I have them at the same point total and TC wins the tie-breaker by beating two Division 2 teams (Malcolm & Centennial) while LC/A hasn't beaten any. Of course, that depends on what happens tonight.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

I have them at the same point total and TC wins the tie-breaker by beating two Division 2 teams (Malcolm & Centennial) while LC/A hasn't beaten any. Of course, that depends on what happens tonight.

The winner of tonights game between TC and Centennial is the district champ and gets in

 

[Mavric]

This should be the bracket

 

[runningback43]

Feel bad for Stanton and Arcadia/Loup-City. Both teams finish in the top 16 for power points, but both get left home due to two district winners not being in the top 16. Might be time to eliminate the 8 district winners getting automatic berths.

 

[coffeedrinker11]

I agree with you runningback43. The district system we use is flawed in my opinion. Great example is in C1 - O'Neal goes with a 6-3 record Pierce with a 6-3 record stays home yet Pierce beat O'Neal 47-0 back in September when O'Neal was at full strength and Pierce wasn't.

When you look at the districts as they are now and consider inter-district play and Districts like C2-5 with Battle Creek and a 19-5 record against outside district competition that should be considered. Right now with 41 power points to a team beating a Div. 4 team on 36 to a team losing to Div. 1 team to much of a teams fate is left to the scheduling wizards that has a Hartington Cedar playing Aquinas in the opening game, and a Stanton playing Battle Creek. If Hartington and Stanton had played a Twin River the landscape would be different.

 

[madking1]

Stanton goes 7-2, rated 9th in OWH this morning, and still doesn't make the playoffs. Add to that not even getting to play their final regular season game (probably the seniors final game EVER) due to the Laurel Concord mess. Anyway you look at it that sucks. Gotta feel for those guys.

 

[hailvictors2]

I agree with you runningback43. The district system we use is flawed in my opinion. Great example is in C1 - O'Neal goes with a 6-3 record Pierce with a 6-3 record stays home yet Pierce beat O'Neal 47-0 back in September when O'Neal was at full strength and Pierce wasn't.

When you look at the districts as they are now and consider inter-district play and Districts like C2-5 with Battle Creek and a 19-5 record against outside district competition that should be considered. Right now with 41 power points to a team beating a Div. 4 team on 36 to a team losing to Div. 1 team to much of a teams fate is left to the scheduling wizards that has a Hartington Cedar playing Aquinas in the opening game, and a Stanton playing Battle Creek. If Hartington and Stanton had played a Twin River the landscape would be different.

Dude....Stanton did play Twin River.

 

[Football2002]

AND, I do know I have my detractors, but this is exactly why I have been on here FOREVER advocating a 32 team playoff. There is no way a 7-2 team should be left out. I don't care how many 4-5 teams get into the playoffs that probably aren't worthy. 7-2 is worthy. And to have 2 of them left out is just wrong. An 8 week season, in my opinion, is about right. At 1-7, teams are ready to be done. At 3-5 or 4-4 or 5-3, there is hope of that crazy upset that seemed to happen at least once every year.

The proposal from a few years back with 3 class C's, then yes, I agree a 16 team playoff would be good. As it is now, I am still thinking 32 is better.

Very sorry for Arcadia/Loup City and Stanton. That sucks.

 

[fbnut999]

No, no, no....stay with 16 in the playoffs!! Makes EVERY game in the regular season a little more important. But....it may be time to eliminate the districts and just have teams play a 9-game schedule and use the power points to seed 1-16. Still wouldn't be perfect and a 7-2 might get left out once in a while, but not because somebody won a weak district (like O'Neill this year).

That said, will people schedule the year-in, year-out big boys like St. Cecilia, Battle Creek, & Norfolk Catholic? I'm pretty sure that West Point-Beemer and Madison would choose not to play Pierce, Boone Central, and Norfolk Catholic if they didn't have to due to district play.

 

[hailvictors2]

No, no, no....stay with 16 in the playoffs!! Makes EVERY game in the regular season a little more important. But....it may be time to eliminate the districts and just have teams play a 9-game schedule and use the power points to seed 1-16. Still wouldn't be perfect and a 7-2 might get left out once in a while, but not because somebody won a weak district (like O'Neill this year).

That said, will people schedule the year-in, year-out big boys like St. Cecilia, Battle Creek, & Norfolk Catholic? I'm pretty sure that West Point-Beemer and Madison would choose not to play Pierce, Boone Central, and Norfolk Catholic if they didn't have to due to district play.

Nobody schedules anyone. The folks at the NSAA do all of that. Nate Neuhaus is very open about the fact that the only game you are guaranteed to get is if two schools list each other #1. That being the case, schools turn in 4-5 teams and are only "guaranteed" 1 of those teams. In absolutely no way, shape, or form is that the the member schools fault. That is 100% on the NSAA.

 

[LooseCannon]

It sucks for Stanton. I just think the NSAA should get rid of districts champs automatically getting in (order just eliminate districts.

I like the 16 team playoff because it makes the regular season matter more.

 

[hailvictors2]

Just as info..

Stanton's 7 wins all came against teams with losing records. Those 7 teams were a combined 16-47.

Arcadia-Loup City's 7 wins all came against teams with losing records. Those 7 teams were a combined 18-45.

That said, I do have sympathy for the Stanton seniors. Laurel-Concord-Coleridge has an internal mess and it costs those kids from Stanton their last ever football game. That is ridiculous. Laurel-Concord-Coleridge should be punished harshly.

 

[bugaha3]

Just as info..

Stanton's 7 wins all came against teams with losing records. Those 7 teams were a combined 16-47.

Arcadia-Loup City's 7 wins all came against teams with losing records. Those 7 teams were a combined 18-45.

That said, I do have sympathy for the Stanton seniors. Laurel-Concord-Coleridge has an internal mess and it costs those kids from Stanton their last ever football game. That is ridiculous. Laurel-Concord-Coleridge should be punished harshly.

If that is the worst thing that ever happens to those kids, they will have lived a pretty good life.

 

[hailvictors2]

If that is the worst thing that ever happens to those kids, they will have lived a pretty good life.

I agree 100%, but it is pretty pathetic that the situation was easily avoidable had Laurel-Concord-Coleridge had a competent administration.

 

[Buff-alo]

Nobody schedules anyone. The folks at the NSAA do all of that. Nate Neuhaus is very open about the fact that the only game you are guaranteed to get is if two schools list each other #1. That being the case, schools turn in 4-5 teams and are only "guaranteed" 1 of those teams. In absolutely no way, shape, or form is that the the member schools fault. That is 100% on the NSAA.

You aren't even guaranteed to get your number 1 if both schools request each other as that...Emerson-Hubbard and Wakefield requested each other last cycle as #1's, only 8 miles a part. Instead the witless wonders at the NSAA sent E-Hub to Palmer.

 

[RCCOB]

I agree with you runningback43. The district system we use is flawed in my opinion. Great example is in C1 - O'Neal goes with a 6-3 record Pierce with a 6-3 record stays home yet Pierce beat O'Neal 47-0 back in September when O'Neal was at full strength and Pierce wasn't.

When you look at the districts as they are now and consider inter-district play and Districts like C2-5 with Battle Creek and a 19-5 record against outside district competition that should be considered. Right now with 41 power points to a team beating a Div. 4 team on 36 to a team losing to Div. 1 team to much of a teams fate is left to the scheduling wizards that has a Hartington Cedar playing Aquinas in the opening game, and a Stanton playing Battle Creek. If Hartington and Stanton had played a Twin River the landscape would be different.

Curious? How was Pierce not at full strength against O'Neill?

 

[BigBlue70]

I must have missed something with Laurel-Concord-Coleridge, can someone fill me in? Did the administration mess up the numbers?

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

It sucks for Stanton. I just think the NSAA should get rid of districts champs automatically getting in (order just eliminate districts.

I like the 16 team playoff because it makes the regular season matter more.

Stanton has no one to blame but there selfs, they ( AD and Administration voted to go to 16 teams, kinda came back to bit them. Only one district voted down the 32 to 16 shift and that was District one

 

[hailvictors2]

I must have missed something with Laurel-Concord-Coleridge, can someone fill me in? Did the administration mess up the numbers?

Their admin failed to ensure that their coach was properly certified prior to hiring him (there are mandatory safety and education courses necessary to be considered qualified). There is a lot more that followed (serious medical issues for a player due to coach ignoring concussion symptoms, teacher resignations, players quitting, etc)

If I have misinformation please correct me. I don't want to spread wrong info. I found this info in one of the papers in the northeast.

 

[madking1]

Just as info..

Stanton's 7 wins all came against teams with losing records. Those 7 teams were a combined 16-47.

Arcadia-Loup City's 7 wins all came against teams with losing records. Those 7 teams were a combined 18-45.

That said, I do have sympathy for the Stanton seniors. Laurel-Concord-Coleridge has an internal mess and it costs those kids from Stanton their last ever football game. That is ridiculous. Laurel-Concord-Coleridge should be punished harshly.

If we're talking about opponents win/loss records, of the 16 teams in the playoffs, 8 have each only beaten two teams that ended up with winning records, 2 have only beaten 1 team with a winning record. Not trying to compare apple and oranges or anything, just saying most of these teams wins come against teams with losing records. 7-2 is a good season no matter what and it should get you in the playoffs. I don't have the answer i just think it stinks for those teams. They don't control their schedules.

 

[hailvictors2]

If we're talking about opponents win/loss records, of the 16 teams in the playoffs, 8 have each only beaten two teams that ended up with winning records, 2 have only beaten 1 team with a winning record. Not trying to compare apple and oranges or anything, just saying most of these teams wins come against teams with losing records. 7-2 is a good season no matter what and it should get you in the playoffs. I don't have the answer i just think it stinks for those teams. They don't control their schedules.

I agree with that 100%.

 

[jostod012]

Stanton has no one to blame but there selfs, they ( AD and Administration voted to go to 16 teams, kinda came back to bit them. Only one district voted down the 32 to 16 shift and that was District one

If we're talking about opponents win/loss records, of the 16 teams in the playoffs, 8 have each only beaten two teams that ended up with winning records, 2 have only beaten 1 team with a winning record. Not trying to compare apple and oranges or anything, just saying most of these teams wins come against teams with losing records. 7-2 is a good season no matter what and it should get you in the playoffs. I don't have the answer i just think it stinks for those teams. They don't control their schedules.

Stanton is a very solid football team that gave Battle Creek all they wanted before losing 19-6, Stanton put JV defense in at the end and BC running back got 45 more yards, there other loss was to oakland craig in a game where nothing went right (5 turnovers). They would easily beat six or seven playoff teams (Talbott, Bergan, EM, Tri County, Bridgeport, etc.....

 

[fbnut999]

Nobody schedules anyone. The folks at the NSAA do all of that. Nate Neuhaus is very open about the fact that the only game you are guaranteed to get is if two schools list each other #1. That being the case, schools turn in 4-5 teams and are only "guaranteed" 1 of those teams. In absolutely no way, shape, or form is that the the member schools fault. That is 100% on the NSAA.

Victors:
Sorry. I didn't explain myself completely--I am guessing that if we get rid of districts, I's also think the NSAA would want to get out of the "scheduling business." With 6 teams in a district, that's 5 "built-in" games that don't really need much time/effort to schedule. With no districts, do you think the NSAA will want to schedule 9 games for everyone?

 

[merbst]

I agree with a lot of the things posted about the way the playoffs are set up. First, I will admit I may be a little bit prejudice because my son plays for Stanton, but anyone with a little common sense that looks at the playoff brackets and sees five 6-3 teams make the playoffs in class C2 and two 7-2 teams left out should realize there is something seriously wrong with the system. No one can blame the schedules because they are set by the NSAA. Two quick easy fixes. One, do away with districts or two, qualify teams by records. All 7-2 teams qualify before 6-3 teams. If there is a tie between 6-3 teams for the last few spots then go to the point system as a tie breaker. The playoffs should be a reward for the top 16 teams in class C1 and C2 and this year I feel that is not what happened.

 

[Big Red Thoughts]

Stanton is a very solid football team that gave Battle Creek all they wanted before losing 19-6, Stanton put JV defense in at the end and BC running back got 45 more yards, there other loss was to oakland craig in a game where nothing went right (5 turnovers). They would easily beat six or seven playoff teams (Talbott, Bergan, EM, Tri County, Bridgeport, etc.....

I totally agree

 

[madking1]

Just wondering... if you get rid of districts how would you set up the schedules? It's just not realistic to expect schools (and fans) to regularly drive halfway across the state to play games. They do that in 6 man and I'm sure no one likes it, but they don't have a choice. There are enough teams in C2 we shouldn't have to do that, at least in the regular season. It has to be divided by area to a certain extent, and I think the districts do that. And you really can't leave scheduling up to the schools. Who's gonna put the best teams on their schedule if they don't have to? And while I don't want to see a 7-2 team punished for a weaker schedule, I don't want to see a 6-3 team punished for a tougher one either, so I wouldn't automatically give the better record the nod. I do think the district winners should get in but when you have a district winner only come in as a 16th seed and a top ten team (OWH) not get in, I agree something probably needs tweaked. A 32 team playoff might do that but I doubt anyone wants to go back to that.

 

[hailvictors2]

I think the best system would be to have an 8 game regular season (like it was 2 years ago), keep the districts, and qualify 24 teams. The 8 district winners get automatic bids, the top 8 power points get a bye in the first round, and the next 16 teams play each other to get to the round of 16.
The bracket would look like this:
1 seed has bye and plays winner of 17 vs 16
2 seed has bye and plays winner of 18 vs 15
3 seed has bye and plays winner of 19 vs 14
4 seed has bye and plays winner of 20 vs 13
5 seed has bye and plays winner of 21 vs 12
6 seed has bye and plays winner of 22 vs 11
7 seed has bye and plays winner of 23 vs 10
8 seed has bye and plays winner of 24 vs 9

This year, that bracket in C-2 would have looked like this

Battle Creek hosts winner of Stanton @ Tri County
Doniphan-Trumbull hosts winner of Lutheran High NE @ West Holt

Gibbon hosts winner of Hartington CC @ Bridgeport
Oakland Craig hosts winner of Centennial @ Omaha Brownell-Talbot

St Cecilia hosts winner of Elmwood Murdock @ Arcadia-Loup City
Yutan hosts winner of HTRS @ Crofton

Aquinas hosts winner of Malcolm @ Bergan
Sutton hosts winner of Twin River @ NP St Pats

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

I think the best system would be to have an 8 game regular season (like it was 2 years ago), keep the districts, and qualify 24 teams. The 8 district winners get automatic bids, the top 8 power points get a bye in the first round, and the next 16 teams play each other to get to the round of 16.
The bracket would look like this:
1 seed has bye and plays winner of 17 vs 16
2 seed has bye and plays winner of 18 vs 15
3 seed has bye and plays winner of 19 vs 14
4 seed has bye and plays winner of 20 vs 13
5 seed has bye and plays winner of 21 vs 12
6 seed has bye and plays winner of 22 vs 11
7 seed has bye and plays winner of 23 vs 10
8 seed has bye and plays winner of 24 vs 9

This year, that bracket in C-2 would have looked like this

Battle Creek hosts winner of Stanton @ Tri County
Doniphan-Trumbull hosts winner of Lutheran High NE @ West Holt

Gibbon hosts winner of Hartington CC @ Bridgeport
Oakland Craig hosts winner of Centennial @ Omaha Brownell-Talbot

St Cecilia hosts winner of Elmwood Murdock @ Arcadia-Loup City
Yutan hosts winner of HTRS @ Crofton

Aquinas hosts winner of Malcolm @ Bergan
Sutton hosts winner of Twin River @ NP St Pats

Winner winner chicken dinner Best idea so far

 

[HuskerMadder]

AND, I do know I have my detractors, but this is exactly why I have been on here FOREVER advocating a 32 team playoff. There is no way a 7-2 team should be left out. I don't care how many 4-5 teams get into the playoffs that probably aren't worthy. 7-2 is worthy. And to have 2 of them left out is just wrong. An 8 week season, in my opinion, is about right. At 1-7, teams are ready to be done. At 3-5 or 4-4 or 5-3, there is hope of that crazy upset that seemed to happen at least once every year.

I would prefer to go back to the old way of doing things (although I also like the 24 team idea). So what if 32 teams make the playoffs? At least those teams that deserve to get it... will get in. If some 3-5 team makes the playoffs, there must be a reason for it (even if it just means they have a lousy district... which happens in the NFL, too, from time to time). Stanton belongs in the playoffs. And if that means that some mediocre team also makes the playoffs, so be it.