Michigan receives record breaking infractions penalty - expected to be $20 Million

razpsu

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Hey folks - good thing the NCAA has been consistent with this punishment, otherwise I’d be pretty darn upset….



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And yet they had no problem penalizing our players in 2012. 10 plus years after the fact who were in elementary school at the time of the so called coverup. Just amazing.
 

KingLando

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Just a heads up for the board, "King Lando" is a Michigan troll. He took over the other Rivals board about 2 years ago and was allowed to troll freely and without penalty because he was friends with Richie the board owner and moderator. His handle in the other board was Lando Commando".

His schtick was as a know it all who posted passive aggressive attacks on Penn State. He claims to be a PSU graduate, but cannot name a single dormatory, a single course, a single main campus building for courses, a single street, or anything else from his "PSU" days. He will defend all things Michigan. Just a fair warning Lando: You aren't in Kansas anymore Toto....this board will throw your Maize and Blue a$$ out on the street in seconds flat. Anyways, just wanted to let everyone know who "King Lando" really is.
Lol what are you talking about?
The fact anyone ever thought I was a Michigan fan is laughable.
If I was trying to hide I wouldn't have picked this username.
Some people, like you, whomever you are, don't actually comprehend the sport and allow bias to dictate every post you make
It's cute that I've been called a Michigan and an Ohio State fan in this thread. That contradiction just proves how wrong you are. But guessing you're typically wrong in life.
 

4444Milk

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Thanks. and the ignore list grows. :rolleyes:
No problem. It's going to get far worse before it gets better 😂. His grift is so obvious and stupid ..he will constantly refer to Penn State as "we" and "us" with the completely retarded idea that someone somehow will equate his wording into believing he is an actual Penn State sports fan. He's already started it with about 3 or 4 posts using "we" reference to Penn State.. 😂 as if he was somehow involved in anything to do with the program. I would say ban him immediately but you guys really should sit back and watch as he exposes himself one arrogant/constipated/fake post at a time. We used to call him "Hando on his commando" 😂
 
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LB99

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We aren't in court counselor.

I'm on the recruiting trail:

Michigan only wins if they cheat. They said so to the NCAA.
Their coach is a lame duck.
They can't have you on an official.
They can't communicate with you.
They are on probation. You could be at a school that gets banned from post-season or worse even after further minor infractions.

There is no spin. That's all facts.

I'm no fan of the NCAA and it's evident they have less authority than even a decade ago but Joe Bar stool has no idea how this works. The NCAA lawyers get what they can get when they get it. I would have preferred a one-year postseason ban added.
As long as they are handing out bags of cash to recruits and transfers, this won’t mean much of anything to their recruiting and success.
 

LB99

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This is the equivalent of the Pats paying a fine and having to destroy the tapes when caught cheating (the first time) by the NFL. It doesn’t deter the cheating whatsoever.
 
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4444Milk

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I wonder what the next step is now? The NCAA has officially been rendered moot and impotent. Be right back 😂
 
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IvanPutski

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These data are interesting. Michigan under Jim Harbaugh from 2015 through 2020 season: 32-38-1 (0.451)against the spread Michigan against the spread from 2021 through this season: 22-11-2 (0.629) ATS
now tell us who the qb's were on those UM teams from 2015-2020...if qb is the most important position on the field, it's easy to understand how UM became much better with a first round qb as opposed to the litany of failures that preceded..also harbaugh fired half the staff and installed the ravens defense..that's the "data" you should consider interesting..
 

Bvillebaron

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I never said death penalty was coming.


This a level 2 investigation. Since you are 5, here goes:

The NCAA said in their COI letter: we know you cheated, we are ready to go to the penalty phase. Respond. Michigan lawyers did so, admitting infractions and acknowledging so in exchange for not facing a postseason ban.

The NCAA responded by fining the university 50k and the football program 10% of revenue in a fiscal year (minimum of $20M and could be as high as $35M);
- Further, Harbaugh received a 10-year ban on top of his 5-year show cause
- Moore received a 2-year show cause (he's effectively a lame duck, every cfb coach in the country are telling recruits UM will not renew him)
- The football program also received a 25% reduction in official visits and a reduction in communications during the next open period.

But more importantly, at level 2, you are on a 4-year probation. Any infractions and trust me there will be many submitted by people who hate UM, can result in further fines, scholarship reductions and yes, a postseason ban.

Michigan admitted they cheated. I'm satisfied plus they are on probation. OSU and PSU are drafting their communications to kids right now.
The press release says coaches involved in sign stealing were charged with 6 Level One violations. Stop the BS.
 

Bison13

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They’ve already saved money the last couple years with more as the head coach, he’s not being paid as much as they would’ve had to pay a real coach. Plus as far as recording goes, they’re not gonna stop contact with anybody. They really think they’re gonna flip the defensive lineman from Saint Francis in Baltimore, lots of shadiness there.
 

Marshall2323

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Let's not forget the Commissioner pleading that UM had been punished enough. Money makes the world go round, Networks didn't want them sanctioned further. Cheat, destroy the evidence and refuse to cooperate. This all occurred at a program already on probation. Every compliance department in America, just became obsolete.
 

Bvillebaron

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Hey folks - good thing the NCAA has been consistent with this punishment, otherwise I’d be pretty darn upset….



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Obviously the NCAA didn’t give a royal rat’s you know what about current Penn State players when they imposed Draconian punishment against PSU for conduct over which Emmert admitted the NCAA had no jurisdiction when he announced the sanctions (“the NCAA board has authorized us to go outside the rules to punish”). While the NCAA’s authority to impose meaningful punishment beforehand the unjust punishment imposed against Penn State was the final straw.
 

JohnJumba

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Obviously the NCAA didn’t give a royal rat’s you know what about current Penn State players when they imposed Draconian punishment against PSU for conduct over which Emmert admitted the NCAA had no jurisdiction when he announced the sanctions (“the NCAA board has authorized us to go outside the rules to punish”). While the NCAA’s authority to impose meaningful punishment beforehand the unjust punishment imposed against Penn State was the final straw.

The Paternos beat them down, the NCAA paid them an undisclosed sum. Emmett stated that there would never be a punishment like that ever again, knowing they screwed up.
 

JAS

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The Paternos beat them down, the NCAA paid them an undisclosed sum. Emmett stated that there would never be a punishment like that ever again, knowing they screwed up.
I apologized you are saying the NCAA paid the Paterno family an undisclosed amount of money? I clearly do not recall that occurring , but living in State College at those times was painful and my memory is selective.
 

JohnJumba

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I apologized you are saying the NCAA paid the Paterno family an undisclosed amount of money? I clearly do not recall that occurring , but living in State College at those times was painful and my memory is selective.

Yes, the Paternos were paid. By the NCAA and Penn State.
 

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Bingo. Almost every big time football program would trade $30M for a natty. That's nothing a few rich boosters wouldn't pay to see their favorite program win. The message from the NCAA here (aside from showing they are officially a toothless organization) is that you might as well start cheating, since the repercussions are minimal while the upside potential is significant.

The quotes and findings in this report are quite amazing, yet the punishment does not match at all. Confirmation of 50+ illegal instances of advance scouting. Confirmation that Stalions was on the sideline at CMU. Statements that UM had a culture of non compliance and actively viewed their compliance department department as a thorn in their side. An NCAA COI statement that despite UM's insistence to the contrary, advance scouting likely resulted in a "significant competitive advantage." Repeat offenses for UM, Harbaugh and Moore. "Michigan Men" through and through.
 

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Bingo. Almost every big time football program would trade $30M for a natty. That's nothing a few rich boosters wouldn't pay to see their favorite program win. The message from the NCAA here (aside from showing they are officially a toothless organization) is that you might as well start cheating, since the repercussions are minimal while the upside potential is significant.

The quotes and findings in this report are quite amazing, yet the punishment does not match at all. Confirmation of 50+ illegal instances of advance scouting. Confirmation that Stalions was on the sideline at CMU. Statements that UM had a culture of non compliance and actively viewed their compliance department department as a thorn in their side. An NCAA COI statement that despite UM's insistence to the contrary, advance scouting likely resulted in a "significant competitive advantage." Repeat offenses for UM, Harbaugh and Moore. "Michigan Men" through and through.
Except that the well-heeled boosters got their championship for free, so why step up now and pay the fine?
 

olelion

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now tell us who the qb's were on those UM teams from 2015-2020...if qb is the most important position on the field, it's easy to understand how UM became much better with a first round qb as opposed to the litany of failures that preceded..also harbaugh fired half the staff and installed the ravens defense..that's the "data" you should consider interesting..
No. You tell me. I merely presented you with objective data AGAINST THE SPREAD and you supplied the subjective interpretation
 

Calabrin

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Not to dredge up past horrors, but when Penn State got in trouble, the NCAA initially vacated like a decade worth of wins, even though the issue had nothing to do with cheating, and was literally the actions of one guy who happened to work for the program.

Michigan literally cheated. They essentially sat down and said, "What can we do to break the rules and give ourselves an edge?"

It seems to me that cheating = vacated wins. If we're playing poker, and you're stuffing aces up your sleeve, and I catch you, you do not get to keep my money.

What is the angle on this that I'm not seeing?
 

JohnJumba

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Not to dredge up past horrors, but when Penn State got in trouble, the NCAA initially vacated like a decade worth of wins, even though the issue had nothing to do with cheating, and was literally the actions of one guy who happened to work for the program.

Michigan literally cheated. They essentially sat down and said, "What can we do to break the rules and give ourselves an edge?"

It seems to me that cheating = vacated wins. If we're playing poker, and you're stuffing aces up your sleeve, and I catch you, you do not get to keep my money.

What is the angle on this that I'm not seeing?

$$$$$
 
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JohnJumba

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I remember a story about a betrayer during the Holocaust in Poland....

"Mietek has sold his soul to the devil".
 

Midnighter

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Anybody who cares about any of this is imagining that there are ethical standards associated with what we laughingly call "college" football. Wake up.

Cherry on top is Michigan appealing in part because of lack of evidence. You know - the stuff they destroyed when they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar? Can’t make it up.

What Is Happening Schitts Creek GIF by CBC
 

4444Milk

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At some point you need to heal. Unfortunately for some of our fan base, they will never heal. Personally I am through, comparing everything to the injustice of the sanctions and the indignity to the Paterno family. The NCAA is dead, Michigan walked, we got screwed, Joe's legacy was unfairly tarnished, we will never get over it, and idiots will play the Sandusky card against us.... until the Sun no longer rises.

Screw it. Let's go win a National Championship this year and pray that the west side bleachers don't collapse during home games.
 

JohnJumba

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The idiotic consent decree was later found to be illegal. The BoT probably knew that, along with the azz Surma who probably dreamt it up.

Surma, the Man of Steal.
 

Marshall2323

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Most of us can say that players are being paid considerable sums of money and therefore what was once "college" football is now minor league football. If we acknowledge that this is indeed professional sports.....it's easier to digest the results of this issue. MLB did not strip the Houston Astros of the World Championship. The organization was fined 5 million and the manager and I believe the GM were suspended 1 season?
Also loss of 2 draft choices. Ultimately, Alex Cora, the bench coach was suspended as well.

Reducing scholarships is no longer a penalty, as schools can skirt that with NIL or whatever.
I guess the NCAA just followed the NFL, MLB and professional model for punishment. To some degree it makes sense. I think a lesser fine with a 2 year post season ban would have been perfect.

As PSU fans we will always feel the injustice of 2011-12. To everyone else in the world, I guess that ship has long sailed.