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Legend12

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I agree with you on the ball handling, but to her defense, White took her out just when she was heating up in the first half.

She made her last bucket at 8:31 of the 2Q.....she wasn't taken out until 6:28 and was due for a break by then.
 

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She made her last bucket at 8:31 of the 2Q.....she wasn't taken out until 6:28 and was due for a break by then.
Yeah, but what is that 6 or 7 mins of play? She scored 2 3's in the first and 1 two-pointer in the second. If you go back to post #1238 where I questioned White, you'll notice that that's a good amount of scoring in a short period of time, but White thought otherwise. You think that only playing 7 minutes, broken up by a quarter change warrants being benched? Come on. She needed a breather. Whaaaat?
 

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Yeah, but what is that 6 or 7 mins of play? She scored 2 3's in the first and 1 two-pointer in the second. If you go back to post #1238 where I questioned White, you'll notice that that's a good amount of scoring in a short period of time, but White thought otherwise. You think that only playing 7 minutes, broken up by a quarter change warrants being benched? Come on. She needed a breather. Whaaaat?

She scored one basket in 3:30 of play in the 2Q and she was heating up?

Have you bothered to notice how out of shape she is? And when she gets tired she does not get to her spots in a ready position, which means she's a liability because she's not a good defender and doesn't bring anything else to the table offensively.
 

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She scored one basket in 3:30 of play in the 2Q and she was heating up?

Have you bothered to notice how out of shape she is? And when she gets tired she does not get to her spots in a ready position, which means she's a liability because she's not a good defender and doesn't bring anything else to the table offensively.
Scoring 8 points in 7 minutes for a bench player on THIS team is pretty good. Talk about tired? Why don't you mention Dantas. She looks like she's wearing concrete sneakers. Hull is a great defender but she didn't have a single point in 25 minutes. Not bringing anything to the table is not correct when you consider what Lexi brought tonight. Opposites, right?

Edit to show how the Fever lost tonight. 27 Wings points gifted to them off of 18 Fever turnovers. Game over.
 
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Legend12

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Scoring 8 points in 7 minutes for a bench player on THIS team is pretty good. Talk about tired? Why don't you mention Dantas. She looks like she's wearing concrete sneakers. Hull is a great defender but she didn't have a single point in 25 minutes. Not bringing anything to the table is not correct when you consider what Lexi brought tonight. Opposites, right?

Opposites? What are you talking about?
 

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Opposites? What are you talking about?
Lexi Hull had the highest +/- tonight for Indiana at +14. Bibby had the worst +/- at -15. That's opposite because of Hull's defense and rebounding. In other words, you can't win games when one player plays outstanding defense but added nothing to the score. Could have used a few points here. At least Bibby contributed in a big way off the bench where no one else did. Why single her out like this. This was a team efforted cluster ----.
 

Legend12

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Lexi Hull had the highest +/- tonight for Indiana at +14. Bibby had the worst +/- at -15. That's opposite because of Hull's defense and rebounding. In other words, you can't win games when one player plays outstanding defense but added nothing to the score. Could have used a few points here. At least Bibby contributed in a big way off the bench where no one else did. Why single her out like this. This was a team efforted cluster ----.

This is patently false.
 
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Legend12

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Why don't you mention Dantas. She looks like she's wearing concrete sneakers.

I don't mention Dantas because if she doesn't score within 30 seconds of getting in the game I'd rather see her pulled and put on ice until the next game. She was needed last night for size, but Li abused them all down low so it didn't matter. Would like to see Timpson figure things out, but sometimes it's obvious she is a rookie and still finding her way, but I think long term her athleticism could make her a good asset w/ CC.
 

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I don't mention Dantas because if she doesn't score within 30 seconds of getting in the game I'd rather see her pulled and put on ice until the next game. She was needed last night for size, but Li abused them all down low so it didn't matter. Would like to see Timpson figure things out, but sometimes it's obvious she is a rookie and still finding her way, but I think long term her athleticism could make her a good asset w/ CC.
Good point concerning Dantas. Good point concerning Li as well. Good point concerning MT. Sometimes mono focusing creates an abstract picture, placing excessive weight upon one individual. Good job.
 
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For there to be a hook and hold there has to be a hold...Li never held Boston's arm and she had all the time in the world to get back in a better guarding position.
Thats simply not true. She had AB's arm pinned to her side, just as surely as if she'd been holding her with her hand. You could clearly see when she turned Her momentum turned AB in the same direction because her arm was "pinned". Lobo's comments on the replay clearly said she was indeed held.
 

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Bueckers has 16 points on 6-16 shooting. 5 rebs, 8 ast, and 2 stls. Impressive.
She also had four turnovers.

I think she was correctly charged with all of her turnovers last night. In a recent game she had 2 or 3 obvious turnovers not charged against her. So not only a more favorable whistle for her, but seemingly box score too? Crazy.

I think coming in a year after Caitlin and with much less notoriety has worked to her advantage. No target on her back and because of certain personal attributes and beliefs she has actually been quite welcomed.

TBF, she is certainly a very good player. I would think far and away the best rookie. But ... as we all know is a much less effective "quarterback" than good ole no. 22. Oh, and she has much less flair too. Flair is important.

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She also had four turnovers.

I think she was correctly charged with all of her turnovers last night. In a recent game she had 2 or 3 obvious turnovers not charged against her. So not only a more favorable whistle for her, but seemingly box score too? Crazy.

I think coming in a year after Caitlin and with much less notoriety has worked to her advantage. No target on her back and because of certain personal attributes and beliefs she has actually been quite welcomed.

TBF, she is certainly a very good player. I would think far and away the best rookie. But ... as we all know is a much less effective "quarterback" than good ole no. 22. Oh, and she has much less flair too. Flair is important.

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Thats simply not true. She had AB's arm pinned to her side, just as surely as if she'd been holding her with her hand. You could clearly see when she turned Her momentum turned AB in the same direction because her arm was "pinned". Lobo's comments on the replay clearly said she was indeed held.
I agree.

But at the same time I'm kinda like WTF Boston? You're trying to draw a foul while on defense inside of two minutes left. I would think Boston could have easily ripped her arm away. OTOH that might have drawn a foul too. On yet another hand (or perhaps foot) that might have been easier for the refs to not **** up upon review. But ya never know with their random a$$es.

Just an unfortunate sequence of events.
 

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Ah, hey Legend. Trying actually playing that clip and everybody said "her arm was CLAMPED". She had Boston pinned. Oh, I know its just me right? That was a hook and hold by the very definition. And by the way, that laughing emoji is great when you have nothing to back up your position. Just ask that clown hack whose had 50 different handles on the forums....
 
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Ah, hey Legend. Trying actually playing that clip and everybody said "her arm was CLAMPED". She had Boston pinned. Oh, I know its just me right? That was a hook and hold by the very definition.

Kyle works for Hawkeye Report, of course.

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The W is unwatchable. I will tune in again when CC returns, but not until.
You and millions of others.

We've said it a zillion times now, this it just not a serious league. They have put activism and whatever else over profitability because ... they simply could. Engelbert has no interest in improving the product by improving the officiating. Her flippant remark alone, about fans only complain when they lose, is proof enough.

"Pay us what you owe us," Ha! They should be, ofc, sent a bill.
 

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Ah, hey Legend. Trying actually playing that clip and everybody said "her arm was CLAMPED". She had Boston pinned. Oh, I know its just me right? That was a hook and hold by the very definition. And by the way, that laughing emoji is great when you have nothing to back up your position. Just ask that clown hack whose had 50 different handles on the forums....

At no point did Li have AB's arm clamped...it's ridiculous to even claim that and then expect a serious discussion on the topic.

They could have called a foul on AB the entire time, but that's just how AB plays so they let a lot of it go (at both ends).

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Ah, hey Legend. Trying actually playing that clip and everybody said "her arm was CLAMPED". She had Boston pinned. Oh, I know its just me right? That was a hook and hold by the very definition. And by the way, that laughing emoji is great when you have nothing to back up your position. Just ask that clown hack whose had 50 different handles on the forums....
Legend should retire. It's sad to see him become such a poor troll.
 

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Kyle works for Hawkeye Report, of course.

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Why, that can't be. I must have looked at it wrong. That couldn't have been a foul on Li, could it?
At no point did Li have AB's arm clamped...it's ridiculous to even claim that and then expect a serious discussion on the topic.

They could have called a foul on AB the entire time, but that's just how AB plays so they let a lot of it go (at both ends).

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Sorry, but she did, and every sports person watching the game AND were at the game said exactly that. Of course you know better. It was obvious by the way Boston moved with her when she pivoted that she had Boston locked up. Not to mention she's 6'8 and probably 250lbs and pretty strong. She did have her "clamped, controlled, locked up" whatever you want to call it...
 
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Seems to me that Bibby’s biggest value is on the perimeter as a long range scorer. She also appears to be a hot/cold shooter.

Play her for 3-4 minute stretches in each half to test her temperature, or again maybe some during the final 6-8 minutes of a game when trailing by double digits.

My impression may be wrong. I haven’t really followed her pro career and only vaguely recall watching her when she played at Maryland.
 

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She also had four turnovers.

I think she was correctly charged with all of her turnovers last night. In a recent game she had 2 or 3 obvious turnovers not charged against her. So not only a more favorable whistle for her, but seemingly box score too? Crazy.

I think coming in a year after Caitlin and with much less notoriety has worked to her advantage. No target on her back and because of certain personal attributes and beliefs she has actually been quite welcomed.

TBF, she is certainly a very good player. I would think far and away the best rookie. But ... as we all know is a much less effective "quarterback" than good ole no. 22. Oh, and she has much less flair too. Flair is important.

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No idea about the GIF thing. "Settings" maybe? :(
 
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For there to be a hook and hold there has to be a hold...Li never held Boston's arm and she had all the time in the world to get back in a better guarding position.Really? Why was Li calling for the ball with only her left arm up and as soon as the ball was

I doubt anyone watching on TV or even live could really tell that there was no pressure from Li's arm on Boston's arm.
 

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At no point did Li have AB's arm clamped...it's ridiculous to even claim that and then expect a serious discussion on the topic.

They could have called a foul on AB the entire time, but that's just how AB plays so they let a lot of it go (at both ends).

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Is it normal to catch a pass with one hand in the post, keeping the right arm down until the finish? Li is literally dragging Boston through the finish. Boston's arm is never wrapped around Li and Li's right arm is not restricted. If Boston wanted to really cause havoc, she could have lifted her right arm with force, right?
 
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Legend12

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Gettin' a lil zesty in the ol' W.

Did you watch the game? Was it like this all night?

I read there was an incident before this as well where Allen was the on the receiving end but won't have time to watch the game until tonight