Andrews 210
Robbinsville 335
Hayesville 360
Cherokee 430
Murphy 465
Swain 525
This is by memory but should be close.
Robbinsville 335
Hayesville 360
Cherokee 430
Murphy 465
Swain 525
This is by memory but should be close.
Best defense in 1A
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Just to play devil's advocate, what if the state does this: no split conference. Andrews, Blue Ridge, Cherokee, Hayesville, Highlands, Hiwassee Dam, Nantahala, Robbinsville. The 4 football schools play a home and home each year. This in essence reduces the number of conference winners in sports other than football. I also have heard (my source is not good) that schools in split conferences are complaining that having to play bigger class schools in conference hurts their chances of getting multiple home playoff games.
Two questions. If there are seven classifications, where do you think the dividing line will be between 1A and 2A? And where do you think it should be?
I know the fate of charter schools greatly affects the numbers. But for the sake of discussion, let’s assume there are no changes there. You folks in that area are somewhat unique in North Carolina due to geography. It limits you in the regular season, but can really help in the playoffs.
Around 405 if Charters stay . I think they will.
That's 64.
I like 500 and under being 1a. No reason why 1a should be 800 like now.
That's 64.
I like 500 and under being 1a. No reason why 1a should be 800 like now.
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I have a question If Robbinsville only has 335 students what % plays sports ?
That's hard to say because most play multiple sports.
As far as boys that play football.
I'd say 160 boys 40 play football. That would be 25% but you have to account for the freshman that mostly play junior high football. If you take out the freshman it's around 33%.
We usually have 20-30 on the wrestling team which is a lot.
As far as boys that play football.
I'd say 160 boys 40 play football. That would be 25% but you have to account for the freshman that mostly play junior high football. If you take out the freshman it's around 33%.
We usually have 20-30 on the wrestling team which is a lot.
You could be right. I think the difficulty will be where the dividing lines are in the three largest classification. In your scenario, Thomasville would be 2A (640). Our future would be determined by whether we are paired with similar Davidson/ Randolph, Davidson/Rowan or Davidson/Guilford schools. That’s where geography and two year realignment would get chaotic for us.
I'm not sure 640 will be 2a.
I wish someone would make a list of the smallest 128 schools. That should be the 2a/3a line.
Me too. There is one under some thread, but can’t remember which. When I looked at it previously 640 was well below 3A if the total number of schools were divided by 7. I can’t imagine that with the 1A/2A line at 405, 235 more students would put a school in 3A.
Charter status will tell the tale.
It also matters greatly if they treat football as a stand alone. It makes no sense to me for any school to be in multiple conferences dependent upon the sport..
BK, back on 3/28/23, GrizzlyDevil posted all NCHSAA schools (not just football). He has the bottom 64 in 1A going up to 585 and 2A from 588 to 814.
His proposal was for six classes instead of seven, but it seems the Association likes that 64 per class number.
Obviously, several factors could change that…..football only schools, seven classes but not evenly divided such as has been used in the past.
Interesting to talk about, but who knows until the dust settles and the legislators go home.
His proposal was for six classes instead of seven, but it seems the Association likes that 64 per class number.
Obviously, several factors could change that…..football only schools, seven classes but not evenly divided such as has been used in the past.
Interesting to talk about, but who knows until the dust settles and the legislators go home.
It's not going be 6a I don't think. (64)
Here are the correct numbers.
Here are the correct numbers.
Looks like Thomasville will be 2a as of today. Only four other 2a teams will be bigger. So in 2 years when this all start Thomasville will probably be 3a if they don't loss more kids. Even still if five more charters start up in the next two years they will be 3a.
1a with 7 football classes
1.Nantahala 31
2.N.C. school for the deaf 35
3.Ocracoke 51
4.Blue Ridge 87
5.Mattamuskeet 88
6.Highlands 113
7.Tri County Early 126
8.College Prep 132
9.Cabarres Charter 134
10.Millennium Charter 142
11.Winston Salem Prep 146
12.Excelsior Classical 149
13.NCSSM Morganton 150
14.Hiwassee Dam 157
15.Clover Garden 170
16.Woods Charter 174
17.Columbia 184
18.River Mill 187
19 Chatham Charter 191
20.Carolina International 204
21.Cape Hatteras 213
22.North Edgecombe 221
23.Apprentice Academy 225
24.Andrews 225
25.South Creek 230
26.Weldon 233
27.Neuse Charter 235
28.Wilson Prep 236
29.Southeast Halifax 241
30.Bear Grass 248
31.Oxford Prep 250
32.Rocky Mount Prep 262
33.N.East Carolina Prep 282
34.Ascend Leadership 289
35.N.C. Leadership 299
36.Rosman 300
37.Southern Wake Academy 304
38.Jones Senior 308
39.North Stokes 310
40.Washington County 326
41.Triangle Math+Science 334
42.Vance Charter 335
43.Falls Lake Academy 342
44.Bethany Community 342
45.Robbinsville 345
46.Roxboro Community 356
47.South Davidson 357
48.ENO River 360
49.Thomas Jefferson 361
50.Triad Math+Science 365
51.Northside Pinetown 375
52.Chatham Central 377
53.East Wake Academy 382
54.Northwest Halifax 384
55.North Duplin 385
56.Henderson Collegiate 388
57.West Columbus 392
58.Christ the King 393
59.East Columbus 393
60.Hayesville 393
61.Lejeune 398
62. Sugar Creek Charter 406
63. Cornerstone Charter 413
64. Voyager Academy 416
2A
1. Southside 417
2. Cherokee 420
3. Allegheny 422
4. Northampton County 422
5. Langtree Charter 424
6. Kipp Pride 426
7. Riverside Martin 440
8. Bradford Prep 447
9. Elkin 453
10. Bishop 456
11. Union 455
12. Rosewood 459
13. Corvian 461
14. Pamlico 463
15. Bertie 464
16. Lakewood 474
17. Gates Co. Senior 475
18. Hobbton 479
19. Murphy 485
20. Cherryville 488
21. Mitchell 497
22. Tarboro 502
23. Albemarle 511
24. Franklin Academy 513
25. Perquimans 514
26. Highland Tech 516
27. East Wilkes 530
28. South Stanley 531
29. East Bladen 537
30. MIC 543
31. East Carteret 544
32. C.S.O.Davidson 553
33. Queens Grant 554
34. Bessemer City 557
35. Swain Co. 558
36. Warren Co. 562
37. Raleigh Charter 563
38. North Rowan 572
39. Research Triangle 572
40. Louisburg 573
41. Polk Co. 575
42. Manteo 575
43. Piedmont Charter 577
44. Mount Airy 577
45. J.F. Webb 585
46. Union Academy 587
47. Holmes 589
48. North Moore 589
49. East Surry 591
50. South Stokes 592
51. Camden Co. 593
52. Avery Co. 607
53. Eastern Randolph 620
54. Granville Central 622
55. Mtn. Heritage 623
56. Thomasville 624
57. Pasquotank Co. 627
58. Princeton 628
59. Providence Grove 638
60. Starmount 645
61. Ayden Grifton 652
62. Whiteville 657
63. Trinity 657
64. Madison 657
1.Nantahala 31
2.N.C. school for the deaf 35
3.Ocracoke 51
4.Blue Ridge 87
5.Mattamuskeet 88
6.Highlands 113
7.Tri County Early 126
8.College Prep 132
9.Cabarres Charter 134
10.Millennium Charter 142
11.Winston Salem Prep 146
12.Excelsior Classical 149
13.NCSSM Morganton 150
14.Hiwassee Dam 157
15.Clover Garden 170
16.Woods Charter 174
17.Columbia 184
18.River Mill 187
19 Chatham Charter 191
20.Carolina International 204
21.Cape Hatteras 213
22.North Edgecombe 221
23.Apprentice Academy 225
24.Andrews 225
25.South Creek 230
26.Weldon 233
27.Neuse Charter 235
28.Wilson Prep 236
29.Southeast Halifax 241
30.Bear Grass 248
31.Oxford Prep 250
32.Rocky Mount Prep 262
33.N.East Carolina Prep 282
34.Ascend Leadership 289
35.N.C. Leadership 299
36.Rosman 300
37.Southern Wake Academy 304
38.Jones Senior 308
39.North Stokes 310
40.Washington County 326
41.Triangle Math+Science 334
42.Vance Charter 335
43.Falls Lake Academy 342
44.Bethany Community 342
45.Robbinsville 345
46.Roxboro Community 356
47.South Davidson 357
48.ENO River 360
49.Thomas Jefferson 361
50.Triad Math+Science 365
51.Northside Pinetown 375
52.Chatham Central 377
53.East Wake Academy 382
54.Northwest Halifax 384
55.North Duplin 385
56.Henderson Collegiate 388
57.West Columbus 392
58.Christ the King 393
59.East Columbus 393
60.Hayesville 393
61.Lejeune 398
62. Sugar Creek Charter 406
63. Cornerstone Charter 413
64. Voyager Academy 416
2A
1. Southside 417
2. Cherokee 420
3. Allegheny 422
4. Northampton County 422
5. Langtree Charter 424
6. Kipp Pride 426
7. Riverside Martin 440
8. Bradford Prep 447
9. Elkin 453
10. Bishop 456
11. Union 455
12. Rosewood 459
13. Corvian 461
14. Pamlico 463
15. Bertie 464
16. Lakewood 474
17. Gates Co. Senior 475
18. Hobbton 479
19. Murphy 485
20. Cherryville 488
21. Mitchell 497
22. Tarboro 502
23. Albemarle 511
24. Franklin Academy 513
25. Perquimans 514
26. Highland Tech 516
27. East Wilkes 530
28. South Stanley 531
29. East Bladen 537
30. MIC 543
31. East Carteret 544
32. C.S.O.Davidson 553
33. Queens Grant 554
34. Bessemer City 557
35. Swain Co. 558
36. Warren Co. 562
37. Raleigh Charter 563
38. North Rowan 572
39. Research Triangle 572
40. Louisburg 573
41. Polk Co. 575
42. Manteo 575
43. Piedmont Charter 577
44. Mount Airy 577
45. J.F. Webb 585
46. Union Academy 587
47. Holmes 589
48. North Moore 589
49. East Surry 591
50. South Stokes 592
51. Camden Co. 593
52. Avery Co. 607
53. Eastern Randolph 620
54. Granville Central 622
55. Mtn. Heritage 623
56. Thomasville 624
57. Pasquotank Co. 627
58. Princeton 628
59. Providence Grove 638
60. Starmount 645
61. Ayden Grifton 652
62. Whiteville 657
63. Trinity 657
64. Madison 657
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In looking at his numbers, it was in fact football schools only. That’s the the determiner, rather than 6 or 7 classes.
OCDavis
Correct and he had the wrong numbers.
That's not the numbers they used.
His link shows Robbinsville with 370
Correct and he had the wrong numbers.
That's not the numbers they used.
His link shows Robbinsville with 370
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More like 30 with a few starting football this season.
Also phone died. Should be 64.
I edited it.
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His numbers came from HSOT. I do think 624 is where they ended the year. Haven’t you preferred a football only alignment in the past, or did I misremember that? I personally don’t.
Yeah, the HSOT numbers are not the ones they used.
I've been back and forth on football only alignment. Depends if the charters get moved up or not. If charters get moved up then a football only alignment would make 1a huge.
Maybe around 800. Reidsville might be 1a then.
If Charters stay 1a then a football only alignment wouldn't be to bad.
1a might be around 550.
I think 1a should be around 450/500.
I've been back and forth on football only alignment. Depends if the charters get moved up or not. If charters get moved up then a football only alignment would make 1a huge.
Maybe around 800. Reidsville might be 1a then.
If Charters stay 1a then a football only alignment wouldn't be to bad.
1a might be around 550.
I think 1a should be around 450/500.
I think they will go 7a for all sports during the regular season. During playoffs for wrestling
1a,2a, and 3a combine. 4a and 5a combine.
6a and 7a combine for three playoff brackets.
Football might combine 1a and 2a for playoffs.
That would be 6 classes.
Basketball will be 7 classes.
This wouldn't affect the conferences. They probably going do regions instead of conferences.
Of course we can only guess at this point but I could see Thomasville being small 3a. Depends on how many new schools start up the next three seasons.
1a,2a, and 3a combine. 4a and 5a combine.
6a and 7a combine for three playoff brackets.
Football might combine 1a and 2a for playoffs.
That would be 6 classes.
Basketball will be 7 classes.
This wouldn't affect the conferences. They probably going do regions instead of conferences.
Of course we can only guess at this point but I could see Thomasville being small 3a. Depends on how many new schools start up the next three seasons.
If 1A tops out at 450, Thomasville being 3A would mean the range for 2A would only be 451-623. I just can’t see that happening. With just a quick glance at the numbers you provided, I only count 43 schools between 450 and 623. Even less if the top of 1A is 500. It appears to me that Thomasville will easily be in 2A, along with schools such as Mount Airy and Eastern Randolph.
To get to 64 teams, looks like the cutoff would be somewhere around 710. Seems more balanced.
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But the numbers say 1a tops out at 416.
2a 417-657 that is 64. That puts only 8 2a schools bigger than TVille. That means if 9 new schools start in the next three seasons TVille will be 3a. Not to mention if the classes has 62 instead on 64. I could see several schools starting in the next few seasons.
2a 417-657 that is 64. That puts only 8 2a schools bigger than TVille. That means if 9 new schools start in the next three seasons TVille will be 3a. Not to mention if the classes has 62 instead on 64. I could see several schools starting in the next few seasons.
I was going on your 450-500 scenario. I counted 102 schools smaller than Thomasville. If they stick with the 64 they have consistently mentioned, that means 38 2A schools smaller than Thomasville in 2A doesn’t it? So, could be 25 larger to get to 64 in 2A.
Do all of the schools you listed for 1A play regular 11 man football? Maybe that’s right, but seems unlikely to me.
There’s something off about the two sets of numbers (not the HSOT numbers). I’ve counted three times from the link you provided. I still only come up with 102 schools smaller than Thomasville. What am I missing?
The list of 1A, then 2a shows 119 schools smaller than Thomasville.
The list of 1A, then 2a shows 119 schools smaller than Thomasville.
No the schools listed don't all have football
That's the point. I'm doing it as 7 classes for all sports. Thomasville is 120th biggest.
That's the point. I'm doing it as 7 classes for all sports. Thomasville is 120th biggest.
I guess I was confused by the heading that said “1A with 7 football classes.”
What are your thoughts on what the numbers in the link represent? Just football schools?
All schools not just football schools
Half those below 416 don't have football.
Several above 416 don't have football either.
Half those below 416 don't have football.
Several above 416 don't have football either.
Okay, so now I’m even more confused. So does either list include schools that don’t have athletics at all?
The linked list has us 103rd from the least. The one in order shows 120th. That’s the part I’m trying to understand.
Edited: counted for the fourth time and got 105th smallest.
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