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ObserveAndReport said:
Well I think you also have to factor in how every team they’ve each played all year does Friday night. Too many variables to really predict when they’re so close. Unless one were to lose.
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Yes sir. In ER’s case the conference is kinda wash as they beat each other Friday. Eastern Alamance and Walkertown should win their games. Williams is a toss up I think. However lowly Asheboro might even pull out a win against MC…
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A good point was made. 2011 Swain won and 2012 they lost and that's all around about as loaded as you can get. They had it all. No offense to Andrews at all as I think they have a great shot, but it does offer some perspective when you compare them to 2012 Swain and realize 2012 Swain came up short in big 1a. Per capita Andrews is as good as there is or maybe has been but numbers do play a part. I'm behind them all the way if they emerge.
 
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Well enrollment is not going work anymore because of EC and Charters.
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Help me understand that BK. Seems like counting only the kids who go to a school should be fairer. Why should a school be penalized because students choose to attend an early college or charter school? I would think that, in most cases, population would be the least fair solution.
 
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Ok. I'll answer with a question ❓

Is a school with 500 kids and no early college the same as a school with 650 kids then opens an Early College and drops to 500. School B loses 150 kids that don't play sports.
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School A would have less athletes than
school B.

Normally with a natural drop in enrollment your school would also lose football players and non players.

Early College district overlaps the public school district.

Robbinsville has 370. If we had an EC we might have 300. With this example Robbinsville would look much smaller but truth is the 370 and the 300 would be exactly the same team.
If 1a was 350 and under we would be playing in 1a with the same exact team we would have at the larger class.

To move up or down some change should happen to the number of kids you pull from.
Don't get me started on cheating charters.
 
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Enrollment only is a huge advantage for charters which have taken over alot of 1a sports. Charters pull from 120,000 population and keep enrollment down to 1a.
 
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It’s not just 1a
The ecs have effected all classification, the deference is classifications 2 -4 all get to drop down a class
For 1a there is nowhere to drop down to
The only solution is set classification by the population schools draw from
 
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Ok. I'll answer with a question ❓

Is a school with 500 kids and no early college the same as a school with 650 kids then opens an Early College and drops to 500. School B loses 150 kids that don't play sports.
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School A would have less athletes than
school B.

Normally with a natural drop in enrollment your school would also lose football players and non players.

Early College district overlaps the public school district.

Robbinsville has 370. If we had an EC we might have 300. With this example Robbinsville would look much smaller but truth is the 370 and the 300 would be exactly the same team.
If 1a was 350 and under we would be playing in 1a with the same exact team we would have at the larger class.

To move up or down some change should happen to the number of kids you pull from.
Don't get me started on cheating charters.
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I guess I just don’t think that any school systems open early colleges because of athletics. They open them for academic purposes. There are probably a few athletes in some EC’s who struggle with not being able to play sports.
 
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Mbulld said:
Intended or not the consequences are the same
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I didn’t answer your question. Yes, I think they are the same. Losing 150 non athletes has no effect on the number of athletes in the school. Both schools still have 500 students.
 
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Mbulld said:
Let me see if I can drain the piss out for you
1 team gets their athletes from a pool of 650 the other team gets their athletes from a pool of 500
Which team will have more athletes
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I think the premise was that the EC took 150 non athletes. So the school with 500 students would have the same number of athletes that they had before the 150 non athletes left.
In your example, every team that has more students has more athletes. We both know that isn the way it works. Though I’ll grant that the school with 1100 students probably has more good athletes than one with 650.
Suppose a town of 13,000 is basically a retirement community. Another town of 13,000 is a bedroom community for Charlotte or Raleigh. Which town is likely to have more good athletes? Population isn’t the answer either.
 
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ocdavis31 said:
I think the premise was that the EC took 150 non athletes. So the school with 500 students would have the same number of athletes that they had before the 150 non athletes left.
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Well let’s drain some more piss
Let’s say one of the 4a power houses starts a really big ec and all their students enroll except the football team dropping their enrollment to 1a numbers
Should they get to play 1a ball
 
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Mbulld said:
Well let’s drain some more piss
Let’s say one of the 4a power houses starts a really big ec and all their students enroll except the football team dropping their enrollment to 1a numbers
Should they get to play 1a ball
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In that extreme example from another universe, my answer is yes. Come on. You know that’s not the real world.
 
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For what it’s worth, I don’t like the current formula of adding or subtracting points based on how many tennis and golf players you have either. It sure ain’t perfect, but I support classifications based solely on size of the student body. The number of classifications and where the break points are is the real test of fairness, in my opinion.
 
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Mbulld said:
Neither is a town of 13000 retirees because they won’t need a school
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Not saying all retirees. Just heavy in that demographic. I suspect you can think of some of those in western North Carolina. Maybe around Lake Junaluska, for example.
 
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ocdavis31 said:
I think the premise was that the EC took 150 non athletes. So the school with 500 students would have the same number of athletes that they had before the 150 non athletes left.
In your example, every team that has more students has more athletes. We both know that isn the way it works. Though I’ll grant that the school with 1100 students probably has more good athletes than one with 650.
Suppose a town of 13,000 is basically a retirement community. Another town of 13,000 is a bedroom community for Charlotte or Raleigh. Which town is likely to have more good athletes? Population isn’t the answer either.
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EC draw from another schools district.

So you think charters are fair also?
If you think that enrollment only is fair you would have to apply that to charters.
 
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It's obvious the state is trying to go-to something besides enrollment numbers mainly because of charters. The system we have now pushes the charters numbers up. Most charters have high Cup numbers and low free/reduced lunch numbers both of which push their enrollment numbers up. If we get 5a or 6a or back to A/AA alot of charters will be pushed up a class.

Football separate would be good also.
 
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Certain posters on here really need to drop this tbh. And let me also clarify one thing Tarboro is NOT afraid of Wallace Rose Hill. So this notion that we are is just hilarious and inaccurate.
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Tarboro has won state championships at the 3A and 2A level. So we hatched a plan to drop our attendance numbers so we could win football games by embarrassingly large numbers. That plan was foiled for 4 years by Duplin County teams, so we had to manipulate numbers in Duplin County so JK and WRH could move up to 2A and we could have 1A football all to ourselves. Suddenly this Qanon stuff seems less strange to me.
 
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Fact is it's a big help. Change is coming. You can see NCHSAA wheels turning, they've just not got it all dialed in yet. Man up admit to advantages some have and move on. Your like the media. You don't report on things you don't like. This is a football board and this is a football related subject. It's going be talked about until it's straightened out.
 
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Fact is it's a big help. Change is coming. You can see NCHSAA wheels turning, they've just not got it all dialed in yet. Man up admit to advantages some have and move on. Your like the media. You don't report on things you don't like. This is a football board and this is a football related subject. It's going be talked about until it's straightened out.
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Would you care the comment on the “state championships” Robbinsville won when there was only like 10 teams in 1A?
 
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2014 had 77 1a football schools. Those schools were divided to 1a and 1aa. If you can do basic math then you can figure out that small 1A has about the same as 1a had back in the day.
It was closer to 40 back then and here's the kicker. They all played by the same rules.
 
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Andrews could get 4 games at home if they beat Murphy.
5th game will probably be four hrs away at
M. airy or5 hrs away at E Randolph.
Cherokee didn't even win the conference in 2017. Murphy did and got bumped to 1aa.
Tarboro has a little over 500. They have an Early College also.

If we still had 1aa and 1a Andrews would probably be the favorite

Andrews should worry about winning the SMC first. That hasn't happened in about 35 years.
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Tarboro has 481 high school students. Edgecombe Early College High School has 202 students taking in 40 freshman a year from three high schools.
 
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