Tuscola Football

[bamatide13]

We are horrible. There is a big dropoff from last year to this year production and discipline wise. Maybe I was wrong, I thought we were going to have decent talent returning and at least be competitive. We really never expect to win versus Asheville, ACR, etc., but to be outscored 74-6 in two games is ridiculous. The defense is tolerable, but the offense is so bad the defense has no chance to be successful due to turnovers, penalties and giving the opponent a short field almost every series

Any comments, or are we going to get the usual, they are good to the kids speech?

 

[WhoaMule]

Well I wouldnt say Tuscola is horrible. But there are some deficiencies that I noticed last year that were coming . Throw in a new coach and scheme, a league Tuscola shouldnt even BE in as a 2a school ADM wise, you have a recipe potentially for a tough year. Right now THS is struggling offensively and are having to play a LOT of defense. A spread without the threat of a reliable downfield passing game is not so hard to defend especially with the athletes in the WMAC teams like Asheville Reynolds Erwin and even TC Roberson. Maybe they will turn it around. Coaching I have confidence in the entire staff are veterans of many years at THS, but sometimes the Mountaineers just are not as athletic as years past.

 

[nueman]

This season is a mirror image of when you know who was coach. Run run pass on 3rd down every once in awhile . No imagination offensively whatsoever. How in the world could this team drop off this bad in 1 year? Well we know but can’t say it here. At least he made a change under center . Still gotta wonder why you change an offense that averaged 30 plus a game last year with your 3 backs coming back? Be lucky to win one out of last 4. Totally pitiful !!

 

[bigbear'10]

Did Ewart play? I seen a pic of stadium home side tonight, pitiful. Especially it being homecoming.

 

[CougarsOfAHS]

Did Ewart play? I seen a pic of stadium home side tonight, pitiful. Especially it being homecoming.

He played. Believe he had 93 rushing yards

 

[Magnum45]

I wouldn't say you're horrible at all because they just played two of the three best teams in the conference. Unlike Pisgah you guys actually have to play some real competition in your conference. They would have lost the same way you did to Reynolds and I'm pretty sure Asheville would give them all they want. Erwin would beat them as well. I know you guys live and die by comparison to Pisgah so to be honest with you they're not much better. They struggled with Smoky Mountain last night so you can imagine what a team like Reynolds or the others would do to them.

 

[nueman]

There was a good crowd last night the pic you see was in the 4th quarter most people cleared out middle of the 3rd. #beatdown

 

[91ths]

We are horrible. There is a big dropoff from last year to this year production and discipline wise. Maybe I was wrong, I thought we were going to have decent talent returning and at least be competitive. We really never expect to win versus Asheville, ACR, etc., but to be outscored 74-6 in two games is ridiculous. The defense is tolerable, but the offense is so bad the defense has no chance to be successful due to turnovers, penalties and giving the opponent a short field almost every series

Any comments, or are we going to get the usual, they are good to the kids speech?

This season is a mirror image of when you know who was coach. Run run pass on 3rd down every once in awhile . No imagination offensively whatsoever. How in the world could this team drop off this bad in 1 year? Well we know but can’t say it here. At least he made a change under center . Still gotta wonder why you change an offense that averaged 30 plus a game last year with your 3 backs coming back? Be lucky to win one out of last 4. Totally pitiful !!

pretty spot on comments. But "You know who" beat Pisgah while he was here.and we have his team coming up. Never thought I would say this against NB......But im concerned.

 

[esah2212]

It seems Haywood County football run in cycles, with what we have coming up from the JV and Middle school, I would say the future looks bright.

 

[bamatide13]

It seems Haywood County football run in cycles, with what we have coming up from the JV and Middle school, I would say the future looks bright.

I totally disagree, our middle school and JV's have been lights out for three years and it never transfers to the Varsity level. It is amazing how you can see the boys in Buncombe County get throttled by our middle school and JV's and then when they get to varsity all there 5'-7" guys are 6'-4" 225lb and our guys are still 5'-7" 145 lbs. Do people in West Haywood quite growing after 8th grade? Just curious.

 

[Wncvol]

The truth is you guys just don’t have the athletes that Acr, Asheville, Erwin, and even Tc have. You guys may have a couple of kids that are quick, but those schools have 10. Without an elite qb it’s going to be tough for you guys to compete at the top of the WMAC, and I would say our conference is down this year. I mean a well coached middle school team could probably put up 21 on Erwin.

It’s kind of like West Henderson on the jv level. They have been awesome on jv, but at the other conference schools our best sophomores and even freshman will play varsity.

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

Does Tuscola still run the double wing?

 

[nueman]

No

 

[esah2212]

We run a version of the spread that doesn't work at all...

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

Probably need to run the double wing in order to compete. Nothing against Tuscola but if you don't have the athletes to run the spread then I'd play ball control and run the ball. I know it isn't flashy but it'll win you ball games

 

[esah2212]

They have the backs also, which makes no since why they don't go with the power game.

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

They have the backs also, which makes no since why they don't go with the power game.

A good coach will swallow his pride and adjust according to the personnel he's got if he wants to win. If you're not gonna put athlete them then out physical them.

 

[RealityRulz]

I said it before. The system was set up by arguably one of the best coaches of that system in the State and the new coach had the easy buttom to run a more pass heavy option of the double wing. But no, all these neophyte coaches with no experience know better than a coach with over 260 wins. You reep what you sow when you don't hire someone that is a proven winner with experience.

 

[Reynoldsrocks2]

Probably need to run the double wing in order to compete. Nothing against Tuscola but if you don't have the athletes to run the spread then I'd play ball control and run the ball. I know it isn't flashy but it'll win you ball games

Maybe I’m missing something but the Tuscola I saw all they did was run the ball and try to control the clock. Their QB can’t throw a lick! Against ACR they ran the ball 52 times and threw the ball 10 times!

 

[esah2212]

Maybe I’m missing something but the Tuscola I saw all they did was run the ball and try to control the clock. Their QB can’t throw a lick! Against ACR they ran the ball 52 times and threw the ball 10 times!

They did, but they are running out of the spread, and they do not have the athletes to make it work, when they do go to a power formation they do well, but they don't stick with it, they made a QB change last night late in the game, should help a lot, he has a better arm. He needs to get some first team reps though, gonna be a bit of an adjustment till he settles in.

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

I'd run the option and put your best athlete at QB so the ball is always in his hands. I'd like to see Tuscola be competing again

 

[esah2212]

I'd run the option and put your best athlete at QB so the ball is always in his hands. I'd like to see Tuscola be competing again

We did for the last 4 years, don't understand why we changed it with all of our RB back this year.

 

[nueman]

Jv team is undefeated defense is good they play hard but offense is exactly like varsity . Run run pass every time. On a side note group of parents for j.v.s at Asheville game arguing among each other almost turned into a fight! Hollering at refs and coaches constantly . One guy hollering at ref while Asheville player was hurt . Looks like coach is gonna have an interesting career at Big T.

 

[esah2212]

Jv team is undefeated defense is good they play hard but offense is exactly like varsity . Run run pass every time. On a side note group of parents for j.v.s at Asheville game arguing among each other almost turned into a fight! Hollering at refs and coaches constantly . One guy hollering at ref while Asheville player was hurt . Looks like coach is gonna have an interesting career at Big T.

This is one of the reasons I am glad my son is graduated and out of school and sports, idiotic parents like this give everyone else a bad name.

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

In my humble opinion it sounds like daddy ball is holding y'all back from doing what's necessary to win.

 

[91ths]

In my humble opinion it sounds like daddy ball is holding y'all back from doing what's necessary to win.

You have hit the nail on the head.

 

[WhoaMule]

IMO it isnt favoritism. IF they HAD a better player at any position I firmly believe the coaches will put them in. Admittedly, IM not a fan of any spread unless you are loaded with athletic kids that can take advantage of it, but when you have little to no credible downfield passing threat I cant think of really ANY offensive scheme that would be effective including the double wing the I the veer or the T

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

IMO it isnt favoritism. IF they HAD a better player at any position I firmly believe the coaches will put them in. Admittedly, IM not a fan of any spread unless you are loaded with athletic kids that can take advantage of it, but when you have little to no credible downfield passing threat I cant think of really ANY offensive scheme that would be effective including the double wing the I the veer or the T

South Point has been running the red bone for awhile and didn't develop a passing game until recently so you can win with minimum passing if you're good at what you do. When we (Lincolnton) ran the double wing we passed probably about 10-15 times a game but they were short passes that were set up by the run. It's all about how you game plan and set up your play calling for opportunities to take a shot.

 

[DMULL]

I think overall the program will be fine once the coach finds an identity, and the right QB, I thought we had a chance to compete this season with the backs we had returning but that obviously isn't happening. Yes we are still run heavy regardless of what some of you think and it doesn't matter what formation you run, if you can't pass at all then why would teams need to defend it. Pursley was a good coach for us but that style is outdated, just look at how many teams are actually running that offense anymore, the fans can't stand it and the players don't want to play in it and coaches are limited in what they can do when they run it, its the way things have evolved and you have to find a QB and be versatile now days.

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

I think overall the program will be fine once the coach finds an identity, and the right QB, I thought we had a chance to compete this season with the backs we had returning but that obviously isn't happening. Yes we are still run heavy regardless of what some of you think and it doesn't matter what formation you run, if you can't pass at all then why would teams need to defend it. Pursley was a good coach for us but that style is outdated, just look at how many teams are actually running that offense anymore, the fans can't stand it and the players don't want to play in it and coaches are limited in what they can do when they run it, its the way things have evolved and you have to find a QB and be versatile now days.

Hibriten just won a state championship running it, south point is always a threat running it. Sometimes it ain't about what the fans want to watch or what the players want to run. If you want to win you run what works for you personnel wise. Who cares how "outdated" it is if you're going to win ball games with it.

 

[91ths]

Hibriten just won a state championship running it, south point is always a threat running it. Sometimes it ain't about what the fans want to watch or what the players want to run. If you want to win you run what works for you personnel wise. Who cares how "outdated" it is if you're going to win ball games with it.

Agree !!!

 

[esah2212]

Hibriten just won a state championship running it, south point is always a threat running it. Sometimes it ain't about what the fans want to watch or what the players want to run. If you want to win you run what works for you personnel wise. Who cares how "outdated" it is if you're going to win ball games with it.

Agree 100% too many want spread offenses and arent happy with 3 yds and a cloud of dust.

 

[esah2212]

You have to play to your strengths, Haywood County is not the home for the athletes to run the spread consistently year in and year out, we have the talent come through every so often to make it work, now is not one of the times

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

You have to play to your strengths, Haywood County is not the home for the athletes to run the spread consistently year in and year out, we have the talent come through every so often to make it work, now is not one of the times

I like Tuscola and do a lot of business in Waynesville but you're not gonna beat anybody with the spread. It may not be flashy but the option is going to keep you relevant. Not trying to talk smack but you're not competing for state championships so why not do what's going to keep you in the playoff conversation at least.

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

Agree 100% too many want spread offenses and arent happy with 3 yds and a cloud of dust.

Spread may win you a few games in the mountains but once you come down the mountain you're not going to do anything. Ask Pisgah. You got the personnel to run the option and do it well but until you get the stubborn parents out of the way...

 

[WaynesVegas]

Bama

Jv team is undefeated defense is good they play hard but offense is exactly like varsity . Run run pass every time. On a side note group of parents for j.v.s at Asheville game arguing among each other almost turned into a fight! Hollering at refs and coaches constantly . One guy hollering at ref while Asheville player was hurt . Looks like coach is gonna have an interesting career at Big T.

I’d love to know the last time you said anything positive about Tuscola. Even when Tuscola was back in the Brosius days you still said they were soft.. practices weren’t hard enough.. but winning 12 games a year was decent. And nothing was tougher than “back in your day”. The game is much more complex than it used to be. You say Tuscola is pitiful.. You’re just a pitiful fan. Am i happy we’re struggling?? No.. but I try not to be such a pessimist either.

 

[DMULL]

Hibriten just won a state championship running it, south point is always a threat running it. Sometimes it ain't about what the fans want to watch or what the players want to run. If you want to win you run what works for you personnel wise. Who cares how "outdated" it is if you're going to win ball games with it.

How many state championships has hibriten won? And south is entrenched in that system and they have athletes and speed, tuscola doesn't have the speed or athletes so you have to be creative and when you can't get 3 yards on those 3 yards and a cloud of dust plays you have to try something else.

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

How many state championships has hibriten won? And south is entrenched in that system and they have athletes and speed, tuscola doesn't have the speed or athletes so you have to be creative and when you can't get 3 yards on those 3 yards and a cloud of dust plays you have to try something else.

Hibriten has more than Tuscola has had in the past 30 years so I'd say they have something working. I get that it isn't exciting but you don't have the athletes to run the spread.. it's a tough pill to swallow but it's the truth. If you run that double wing over and over it gets the defense tired and then that's when big plays open up. It takes discipline and patience.

 

[DMULL]

When THS played south point a few years ago pursley was given lesson on how to mix it up running the option, they destroyed us and they really done everything run and pass but like I said they have the speed to outrun defense's and we never did and we never could throw a forward pass, and unfortunately we still can't and I think it hurt the program not seemingly learning how to run a competent pass offense not necessarily a pass heavy offense.

 

[Wolf4Lyfe]

When THS played south point a few years ago pursley was given lesson on how to mix it up running the option, they destroyed us and they really done everything run and pass but like I said they have the speed to outrun defense's and we never did and we never could throw a forward pass, and unfortunately we still can't and I think it hurt the program not seemingly learning how to run a competent pass offense not necessarily a pass heavy offense.

I think that's just a case of them being just flat out better. Like I said you're not gonna come off the mountain and beat many teams but at least the option keeps you competitive and respectable. It just takes practice it can't happen over night. Get the middle school and youth programs running it so when they get to high school it's second nature to them. That's why south point is so good at it, those kids run that from age 4 till age 18