You guys might want to look at the film of the receivers from WR. They may no throw it as must as most would like but I think #5 is about to go over 1,000 yards and #81 has had a few games with over 100 yrds receiving. They will play man on defense and commit everyone else to the run. If WR shows up they should win. Special teams might be the key.
West Rowan vs South Point
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West Rowan only has 2 choices to beat South Point. Hit em in the mouth and manhandle them like Crest did or outscore them with superior speed like Shelby did. Anything else will result in a loss. I am hoping for a Kings Mtn./South Point region final. KM's front 7 are extremely physical and will destroy SP's O-Line.
42-14 SP, give or take a few. WR scores in the 4th quarter. No offense I would really like to see if KM can match SP.
Do you really think it is going to be that easy. I have seen WR play all year and they find a way to at least keep it close. Funny you say they have no offense. When they go 4 wide no team in high school can match up. The thing that kills them is the qb sometimes holds on to the ball too long. They have speed all over the field and there defense isn't too shabby. Not guaranteeing a win but a blowout sounds crazy. If #5 is not doubled he will have a big game. Like I said special teams is key they have returned or almost returned a kick in every game. Sounds like you just want KM and SP to play and your hoping for a win.
West Rowan has two monsters on the defensive line that will not be easy to run on. Mickey will be preparing for this week and this week only. The dive play gets a little harder this week.
From what I remember, 95% of the SP offense against Statesville was fullback up the middle or qb keeper. Left wing got a couple of carries. I don't remember Leeper getting any.
There's really not much to the offense since King always keeps it. Not really an option offense in how it's run. And none of what I call the Power plays in the double wing offense with the wings running inside.
It's actually strange how simple they keep it or am I completely missing something?
There's really not much to the offense since King always keeps it. Not really an option offense in how it's run. And none of what I call the Power plays in the double wing offense with the wings running inside.
It's actually strange how simple they keep it or am I completely missing something?
The key component will change weekly. Statesville sold out to stop the QB around the edge but sacrificed the middle. FB had 215 yards and 4 TD's. King also was banged up just before the half with a bruised shoulder so that definitely changed the play calling some. But for the most part we are a two person attack with #7 & #32. We lack overall speed at the wings this year so the touches are down. We do have speed at wing in Leeper but he doesn't get the touches he deserve... I can't tell you why that is the case. Contrary to some beliefs can throw the ball and actually throw the ball well when we pick our spots.... but we have the tendency to only throw it when everyone is expecting it.
Sorry if I sound offended..but you always bring this up. You literally still don't understand what a cut block is. It's real football...with blocking and tackling..the stuff they used to play. It sounds like maybe you never played it? I guess you prefer today's flag football, but we in Belmont do not. It explains why Gastonia football is so sorry for the last 20 years, and why a little team from Belmont holds such a decisive Win % over all of them.
You are not missing anything. It's just double option...has been for about 10-12 years. Not many have figured it out...which is kinda funny. Only Crest really has on a consistent level figured it out and been fast enough to play it inside and out with superior speed. It's gotten more vanilla with an occasional counter over the years.
The funniest thing I've ever seen was when Statesville came out with a nose and two 5s. Just shook my head. After the first play I knew we'd see 35 plus FB runs.
No, I understand it perfectly. But when you cut block, you will, on occasion chop block. Goes with the territory. All it takes is a shift at the line by the Defense or an incorrect read and one O Lineman goes high when the other goes low. It happens.
As for cut blocking, it's perfectly fine in my opinion, perfectly legal, and I'm all for it.
The one kid from Statesville, #91 was pretty good in taking on the cut blocks and avoiding going down.
Spot on analysis...We throw well off play action, and I hope we continue it. We're gonna need it the next 3 weeks. Our drop back passing is better this year, but too predictable and our pass protection is spotty. Straight drop back pass pro is not our thing due to our run blocking scheme and lack of reps. Quick play action passing is key for us.
#73 is 6'3 205-210, #71 is 6'3-6'4 and 210, #64 is 5'11 220, #65 is 6'1 225-230, #72 is 6'2 225 or so.
#50 is just an extra "TE" (see OL) brought in b/c Mickey gets off on having as many OL on the field as he can get. I always laugh at how defenses don't auto blitz against some of our formations seeing as how we will only run out of them based off alignment. But, yeah he's probably the only one 165 or so on the line....again, a part time player at best.
#50 is just an extra "TE" (see OL) brought in b/c Mickey gets off on having as many OL on the field as he can get. I always laugh at how defenses don't auto blitz against some of our formations seeing as how we will only run out of them based off alignment. But, yeah he's probably the only one 165 or so on the line....again, a part time player at best.
Just thought I would jump in on this conversation. I have been reading these threads for years but never have established an account until now so here goes with my first post ever!
The fullback dive has been the death of the falcons this year. Our last three opponents have run a similar offense as South Point and we have yet to hold a fullback to under 150 yards. In our victory against West Henderson last week their fullback went over 200 yards. Just a few weeks ago Hickory Ridge defeated us in a shoot out an had over 400 yards rushing against us and a large portion of that was up the middle by the fullback. Two weeks ago we beat Carson in the first round but gave up big yards to their full back on the ground up the middle.
It appears we have learned how to stop the pitch and the option, but the dive play is another story. Maybe we sacrifice the dive to hold the edges. I don't know. If we can not stop that SP fullback we are in for a long night.
West has lost three games this year. By 2 points in the final seconds to 4a Mooresville. By 7 points in the final seconds to a very good Concord team and a 7 point loss in the final minute to Hickory Ridge.
I can honestly say I don't think we have had a complete game yet when both the defense and offense are ticking together. It seems like one or the other is having to bail the other out.
The fullback dive has been the death of the falcons this year. Our last three opponents have run a similar offense as South Point and we have yet to hold a fullback to under 150 yards. In our victory against West Henderson last week their fullback went over 200 yards. Just a few weeks ago Hickory Ridge defeated us in a shoot out an had over 400 yards rushing against us and a large portion of that was up the middle by the fullback. Two weeks ago we beat Carson in the first round but gave up big yards to their full back on the ground up the middle.
It appears we have learned how to stop the pitch and the option, but the dive play is another story. Maybe we sacrifice the dive to hold the edges. I don't know. If we can not stop that SP fullback we are in for a long night.
West has lost three games this year. By 2 points in the final seconds to 4a Mooresville. By 7 points in the final seconds to a very good Concord team and a 7 point loss in the final minute to Hickory Ridge.
I can honestly say I don't think we have had a complete game yet when both the defense and offense are ticking together. It seems like one or the other is having to bail the other out.
With that said. SP had better come to play. West Rowan is a very physical, big and fast team and they believe they belong in the third round. They are only looking to Friday night. I get the feeling most SP fans and players maybe looking past WR toward Kings Mountain.
I agree. The 4 wide set and the double TE sets are the best for West. I don't care too much for that diamond like formation. It is too predictable and teams just stack the box.
I don't know about that. The dive play has been the death of us the last few weeks. We cant stop it.
The fullback from west henderson probaly had 100 yards after the game was already decided
Here is the "offical" height and weight...I doubt any of them are this tall or heavy, but it's a moot point. They can block.
#73-6'0 202, #71-6'2 189, #64-6'0 200, #65-6'1 245, #72-6'3 220. (#50-5'9 165).
The problem with stopping the dive is you have to have eyes on the QB and the hand off. This is where the discipline comes in. You cannot commit your LB's to the dive if the QB decides to pull the ball out and go wide. You have to depend on the DL to make plays on the dive. Most of all, you have to make tackles. Missing tackles is what results in big plays and big gains by the FB.
Nobody from South Point is looking past West, I can assure you of that. Now some of the Crest fans just want to see us play KM because they want to see us lose to a Cleveland county school. We know West a a great team and is well coached, doesn't really matter what any of us think anyway all that matters is the kids on that field!
Thanks for the insight. Our defense has worked their butts off this year. Injury to one of our D line starters didn't help.
Leave me your chin strap in the end zone seadog since you have "family matters" to take care of! I will check in on the "family" to see how ya'll are doing for sure brother.
Yeah he was a HUGE loss to the Defense. But the kid taking his place is young and getting a lot of experience which will benefit us next season. Our defense has been pretty darn good this season. Here lately though, tackling seems to be a thorn in our side. They did much better this past Friday night vs West Henderson, but still room for improvement.
Yeah Wheeler has bust his gut doing the best he can. He is no cupcake and is starter material.
I know we don't like kids playing both ways but we have some moves we can make to shore things up or at least give rest to some others.
Leave me your chin strap in the end zone seadog since you have "family matters" to take care of! I will check in on the "family" to see how ya'll are doing for sure brother.
Do me a favor, fri. Throw every pass Friday night in #14's zone. That is the easiest way I can be in two places at once. Thanks in advance.
You ain't kidding when you say #7 and # 32 do most of the work. I Just watched the Statesville film. You guys worked #32 like a rented mule! That kid pounded Statesville all night. funny thing is they let you do it by only having 3 down linemen most of the night, You guys were guaranteed at least 5 plus a carry. The uncovered offensive linemen just stepped forward and took out the linebackers. You guys out played them and out coached them. Not even a contest.
West will not play that away. They will go 5 down linemen, the corners will play man coverage and there will be no safety help. If we don't stop # 32 it will be over early. However I think our defense will match up well with you. I also notice you guys almost always have two deep safeties. Our double TE sets will grind you for 5 yards at a time if y'all keep two back like that.
I think this will be a dog fight! You guys have a powerful team! We have to be the underdogs here, but I think we can win this one.
West will not play that away. They will go 5 down linemen, the corners will play man coverage and there will be no safety help. If we don't stop # 32 it will be over early. However I think our defense will match up well with you. I also notice you guys almost always have two deep safeties. Our double TE sets will grind you for 5 yards at a time if y'all keep two back like that.
I think this will be a dog fight! You guys have a powerful team! We have to be the underdogs here, but I think we can win this one.
I hear ya. It's too late if a safety needs to help. That means he is already chewing up tons of yards. I can't wait to watch both teams go at it. Everyone up here knows SP is a class act. It should be a good one.
We have seen 5 down linemen and no safety plenty of times. Many teams choose that route. Many of those 5-7 yard runs become 2 yard runs, others become 50-70 yard runs. Every time the FB or QB hit the LB level, they are off and running. SP has stayed away from the passing game for the 2 playoff games, but need to selectively utilize the pass against a good WR defense. We play the 2 deep safety's because our D line and LB's have been able to contain the run.
We don't get many high caliber teams playing in the mountains so I made the drive over to Mills River and watched WR last Friday. Here is my takeaway:
*They are really good on D and special teams, however they don't really have an identity on offense. Don't get me wrong, they have a huge offensive line, one of the biggest I have ever seen at the HS level in NC, however they didn't rush the ball well, and they didn't really blow the doors off in the passing game. If you can contain Otto, they didn't really do much on offense. It's very misleading because of the 41 points they scored, 2 TD's were off of KO returns, one was off of an interception, and the other 3 were on drives that started deep on the WH side of the field, because WH coughed the ball up. I'm not sure WR scored once by sustaining a long drive starting from their side of the field.
To beat SP they are going to have play more 'Bearmer-ball' per say, scoring on D and special teams, or they're going to have to find an identity on O. I just can't think that SP is going to give WR the ball on their side of the field like WH did.
*They are really good on D and special teams, however they don't really have an identity on offense. Don't get me wrong, they have a huge offensive line, one of the biggest I have ever seen at the HS level in NC, however they didn't rush the ball well, and they didn't really blow the doors off in the passing game. If you can contain Otto, they didn't really do much on offense. It's very misleading because of the 41 points they scored, 2 TD's were off of KO returns, one was off of an interception, and the other 3 were on drives that started deep on the WH side of the field, because WH coughed the ball up. I'm not sure WR scored once by sustaining a long drive starting from their side of the field.
To beat SP they are going to have play more 'Bearmer-ball' per say, scoring on D and special teams, or they're going to have to find an identity on O. I just can't think that SP is going to give WR the ball on their side of the field like WH did.