***CC22 and the Fever mega thread***

Hawksfor3

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It's difficult to overstate what a disaster the Fever upgrade has been. All they had to do was resign Kelsey, replace NaLyssa, and improve the defense. The Fever already had the most exciting and lethal offense in the W. Yet, the coach and front offense screwed up the roster, installed a sluggish offense, nuetered Caitlin, and can't even play defense.

Somebody tell if there is anything they haven't screwed up.

Next year Kelsey walks and Howard and Colson get a year older. Will any free agents sign up to sink with this ship?

This can't be fixed without getting rid of the GM and coach.
Not sure if it matters but Lin Dunn is in an advisory role for the organization. What do you do with her? What impact does she have on things? Are she and Krauskopf on the same page? "Questions, Questions...", as Boris Karloff quipped before the opening scene of "The Return of Andrew Bentley", we are not privy to. Sides didn't work out. White is being scrutinized. Got to look at the "Higher Ups" IMHO.
 
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IowaMuse5

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Boston was the rookie of the year. She’s gotten better every year and she’s in her 3rd year.
Boston hasn’t gotten better.

Similar stats each year. Same defensive limitations. She’s a really solid player but I think she is who she is as a player and I don’t see a big ceiling with her. I just don’t. And I think she struggles against more athletic and dynamic bigs.

Again, if folks think the Fever have a true Big Core 3 that’s the foundation of a championship team that’s fine. I just don’t.
 
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Boston hasn’t gotten better.

Similar stats each year. Same defensive limitations. She’s a really solid player but I think she is who she is as a player and I don’t see a big ceiling with her. I just don’t. And I think she struggles against more athletic and dynamic bigs.

Again, if folks think the Fever have a true Big Core 3 that’s the foundation of a championship team that’s fine. I just don’t.
I think overall she has gotten quite a bit better. With that being said, do I not think she has improved catching passes on the run and converting them into layups. Still brick city. However, I do think she has improved a lot in the pick and roll game, and passing. Overall, she has improved substantially, in my opinion.
 
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Not directly Caitlin related but the violence in this league is just crazy. What if her victim blew her knee out while being body slammed? She should be suspended for the rest of the season.

 
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IowaMuse5

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You’re so ridiculous.
Common response from someone who can’t make a rational argument or offer any compelling perspective.
Not directly Caitlin related but the violence in this league is just crazy. What if her victim blew her knee out while being body slammed? She should be suspended for the rest of the season.


Agree. At this point it’s just a huge embarrassment for the league and serious threat to player safety.
 

IowaMuse5

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I think overall she has gotten quite a bit better. With that being said, do not I think she has improved catching passes on the run and converting them into layups. Still brick city. However, I do think she has improved a lot in the pick and roll game, and passing. Overall, she has improved substantially, in my opinion.
Fair enough. Regardless, it will all come to a head likely at the end of this year. Fever may have to choose between KM and AB assuming they want to keep one long term. KM will want a Supermax contract. I think the Fever would be crazy to give her one. AB contract is up after next year assuming the Fever exercise her option for next year. So the Fever will need to make a philosophical and strategic decision on the future of the franchise and its current roster.

What I think will happen is the Fever let KM walk. They let NH walk. They let Sydney go. And they try to put 2 really talented 2 way players in the 2G and SF/Hybrid position. They must add size and defense/athleticism at the 2 and 3. See if Timpaon and AB can play together upfront. Have Ari, Sophie, and Lexi off the bench with DD and another signee.
 

The Big Z

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Boston hasn’t gotten better.

Similar stats each year. Same defensive limitations. She’s a really solid player but I think she is who she is as a player and I don’t see a big ceiling with her. I just don’t. And I think she struggles against more athletic and dynamic bigs.

Again, if folks think the Fever have a true Big Core 3 that’s the foundation of a championship team that’s fine. I just don’t.
And so who do you think is a guaranteed better Center and teammate when you let her walk?
Boston hasn’t gotten better.

Similar stats each year. Same defensive limitations. She’s a really solid player but I think she is who she is as a player and I don’t see a big ceiling with her. I just don’t. And I think she struggles against more athletic and dynamic bigs.

Again, if folks think the Fever have a true Big Core 3 that’s the foundation of a championship team that’s fine. I just don’t.
Shes a top 3 Center in the league right now as it is. I’d take Jonquel Jones over her right now and that’s probably it.
 
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IowaMuse5

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And so who do you think is a guaranteed better Center and teammate when you let her walk?

Shes a top 3 Center in the league right now as it is. I’d take Jonquel Jones over her right now and that’s probably it.
Not sure I see her as a true center. I’d take both Jones ladies and Griner over AB as pure centers. And therein lies the problem. AB is a 4/5 but defensively has too many limitations to guard either position effectively. I also think she just doesn’t finish around the basket enough due to athletic limitations. Again, solid player. Exploit the right matchup and she can be tough to stop down low.
 
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Not sure I see her as a true center. I’d take both Jones ladies and Griner over AB as pure centers. And therein lies the problem. AB is a 4/5 but defensively has too many limitations to guard either position effectively. I also think she just doesn’t finish around the basket enough due to athletic limitations. Again, solid player. Exploit the right matchup and she can be tough to stop down low.
The problem is poaching Jonquel or Brionna from another team. NYC is now a juggernaut with their recent signings. Are there any signs Jonquel would actually leave NYC?
 

The Big Z

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Not sure I see her as a true center. I’d take both Jones ladies and Griner over AB as pure centers. And therein lies the problem. AB is a 4/5 but defensively has too many limitations to guard either position effectively. I also think she just doesn’t finish around the basket enough due to athletic limitations. Again, solid player. Exploit the right matchup and she can be tough to stop down low.
Griner is possibly the greatest Center of all time, but she’s way older and at this point in her career I’d take Boston, much younger, runs the floor better, honestly does almost everything better than her right now. The other Jones from Atlanta is a Power Forward, not a Center. And as far as finishing around the basket isn’t she top 2-3 in the league in field goal percentage?
 
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WDSMHawk

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Not sure I see her as a true center. I’d take both Jones ladies and Griner over AB as pure centers. And therein lies the problem. AB is a 4/5 but defensively has too many limitations to guard either position effectively. I also think she just doesn’t finish around the basket enough due to athletic limitations. Again, solid player. Exploit the right matchup and she can be tough to stop down low.

Jonquel is a unicorn and about any team in the league outside of the Aces and the Lynx would trade their top 4/5 for her.

Saying you would take Bri Jones or Brittany Griner over AB is hilarious after complaining on Aliyah's lack of athleticism and defense.

Aaliyah is a much younger player who is either statistically equal to or better than those two players in nearly every category.

Unless the Fever are getting Phee, A'ja, Jonquel, Stewie, or the rights to draft Juju Watkins then they shouldn't be trading AB.
 

Denmar

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LV with a 11-2 FT advantage at the end of the 1st qtr. Seriously, this league is trash. If it wasn’t for my wife this crap wouldn’t be on the TV.
 

IowaMuse5

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Jonquel is a unicorn and about any team in the league outside of the Aces and the Lynx would trade their top 4/5 for her.

Saying you would take Bri Jones or Brittany Griner over AB is hilarious after complaining on Aliyah's lack of athleticism and defense.

Aaliyah is a much younger player who is either statistically equal to or better than those two players in nearly every category.

Unless the Fever are getting Phee, A'ja, Jonquel, Stewie, or the rights to draft Juju Watkins then they shouldn't be trading AB.
I think she’s overvalued because of her defensive liabilities. We will see. She did nothing to elevate her team as a rookie even with another super max player on the roster.
 

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This team is a broken record. They will play well and take the lead, then IMMEDIATELY start committing terrible turnovers and give up 12 points in three minutes. They go from up 4 to down 6 at halftime. I'm not going to have any hair by the end of the season.
 
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The Big Z

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I think she’s overvalued because of her defensive liabilities. We will see. She did nothing to elevate her team as a rookie even with another super max player on the roster.
They were 5-31 the season before she got there, they won 13 games her rookie season. What would you call that? They improved 7 games then with CC. It takes 5 players.
 
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Buffalo43

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They were 5-31 the season before she got there, they won 13 games her rookie season. What would you call that? They improved 7 games then with CC. It takes 5 players.
It takes a village or I like to say a small township
 

SoonerBeAHawk

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Imagine Wilson will come in after the break and try to win it at the line. How accommodating will the refs be is the question? Usually ... very much, ofc.
 

WDSMHawk

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I think she’s overvalued because of her defensive liabilities. We will see. She did nothing to elevate her team as a rookie even with another super max player on the roster.

Fever went from 5 wins to 13 wins in her rookie year, that's not nothing. She's an average defender at minimum. She's just not good enough to make up for the fact that the Fever have at least two bellow average defenders on the court most of the time.
 
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