Manek is conservative too so that stings for you.
baker was a true team player for Duke, he’s just not quite good enough for big time D1 ball, IMO.
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baker was a true team player for Duke, he’s just not quite good enough for big time D1 ball, IMO.
The question is what changed for Joey to transfer this late.
1. AJ Green committing. (most likely) he was on campus the same day Joey announced.
2. Trevor rumored to return.
3. AJ committing even not knowing Trevor was gone? Could both be on the roster? Could we be pursuing 2 guard/wing transfers?
1. AJ Green committing. (most likely) he was on campus the same day Joey announced.
2. Trevor rumored to return.
3. AJ committing even not knowing Trevor was gone? Could both be on the roster? Could we be pursuing 2 guard/wing transfers?
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No . Green isn’t coming if Keels returns . Whitehead isn’t going to the bench, Roach didn’t return to come off the bench . Whitehead is either the starting sg or the starting sf . Same is said. Keels isn’t coming back to come of the bench behind anybody especially Green. Best case Green is coming and Baker simply wants/ believes he can play look at Goldwire . The sad thing is If you were worried about Duke being young this season it will especially be the same next season . Roach is the only returning starter/contributor . This concerns me because Baker announced he was returning so I wonder if he saw Scheyer adapting the same bench scheme as K . Funny how it all of a sudden came up .
He probably could if he was given the chance. He shot 38% from 3 for his career I think, maybe slightly lower. Confidence does wonders for productivity, maybe if he knew he wasn’t going to get yanked after a couple of misses, who knows?
Just like clockwork. The douchebaggery runs rampant with those idiots.
247 Crystal Ball pick Green to Duke.
Oh well looks like Keels is gone. (Just guessing but it seems obvious at this point) At least we won't be empty handed.
Oh well looks like Keels is gone. (Just guessing but it seems obvious at this point) At least we won't be empty handed.
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Joey shot 40.5% from 3 this past season. That's better than any season in Manek's career. He was a career 37% shooter at Oklahoma. Baker's problem was defense.
I wonder what type of stats Baker could put up getting 36.4 mins per game at Northern Iowa like AJ Green got, playing mainly against midmajor teams.
Those stats are pretty skewed though given the difference in minutes played and against levels of competition. Joey had a few games where it felt like he was about to break through and be the scorer we thought he would be and then he would have a number of games where he managed one basket. Bottom line, as much as I wish it were not true, he simply was not as impactful as Manek. Had he been, he would have been on the floor more.
I know it was ages ago, but when Joey burned his redshirt freshmen year, it was downhill from there. The entire NCAA got a COVID year, but for a kid like Joey, he needed that first Redshirt year.
No, he was in the ACC the last 4 years, not the Missouri Valley Conference. Perhaps playing 36 minutes a game in a midmajor he could put up stats similar to Green. He'll definitely be bigger than nearly every small forward he would face in a midmajor conference. Plus his defensive issues wouldn't be nearly as profound against midmajor opponents, so his coach wouldn't have to yank him.
If Baker started his career at Weber State, Colgate, Western Michigan or Alabama State would he put up numbers like Green or similar to many in the portal?
Baker may do well if he transfers like Alex and Goldie, but base on how Duke recruits he does have the leverage of time!
When did Baker ever dominate anyone in 4 years? We played plenty of cupcakes. I like Joey; he was a great teammate and I wished he stayed. But he had plenty of chances to prove himself. Green is being looked at by NBA scouts, he's big time. A year at Duke and he'll probably go in the second round next year.
I wish Joey the best and wish he had played his last year for Duke. The speed of the game always seemed too fast for him. I think he could have an O'Connell type impact at a small school.
I wish Joey the best and wish he had played his last year for Duke. The speed of the game always seemed too fast for him. I think he could have an O'Connell type impact at a small school.
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I would be careful replying to Kerwin. He/She is over on RR putting down Duke's depth. Among other things, saying that Duke has zero 2 guards. Not surprised that he/she is here putting down Green and pumping Baker.ExcellentPoint!
Baker is a good player. I had the pleasure of watching him lead Trinity Christian from Fayettteville to the state championship, something John Wall could not accomplish. He's a good college player, just not athletic enough to make a difference at the highest level of college basketball
Much more importantly, he is a very nice man. For four years, he put team first. He even burned his redshirt when it wasn't in his personal best interest. I suspect that he has a degree from Duke. I also suspect that he will perform admirably and have lots of fun if he selects the right program
Much more importantly, he is a very nice man. For four years, he put team first. He even burned his redshirt when it wasn't in his personal best interest. I suspect that he has a degree from Duke. I also suspect that he will perform admirably and have lots of fun if he selects the right program
Kerwinsafro will have to select a new moniker .. As long as you have a point guard and a player who can defend an elite post player, the other positions don't matter very much
Agreed. So are we getting the equivalent of a Joey Baker, who just happened to play against lower competition and put up some stats since he got minutes? ( not that impressed by AJ Greens stats)
Is AJ a portal all-star? The grass is always greener....
I watched 30 sec of Green and that’s all I needed to see to determine he’s an significant upgrade over Baker. Midmajor competition blah blah it doesn’t matter. His game is light years above Bakers pump fake 3 fade away 2 point bs 
That right there is all you need to see really lol.
How is he being looked at by scouts if he not on the draft boards ? He went through the process like about 100 kids. He’s a 6’4” volume shooter/combo guard.He will help but we will see what he can do if he comes to Duke.
Two different positions . But I get your point .I watched 30 sec of Green and that’s all I needed to see to determine he’s an significant upgrade over Baker. Midmajor competition blah blah it doesn’t matter. His game is light years above Bakers pump fake 3 fade away 2 point bs
Green has two great options. TJ Otzelberger at Iowa state is a fabulous coach. I didn't know until tonight that Otzelberger's wife, Allison Lacey, was a star at Iowa State and in the WNBA. She is from Australia and rather pretty. Otzelberger won big at South Dakota State and unlv and took Iowa State to the Sweet 16 in his first year. They only won two games total the year before. I hope Green makes the better choice. He has two great options
I would certainly hope we get Green. If we lose Keels and Baker and whiff on Green, that's...not good. If Trevor stays in we've lost 7 of our top 8 guys. We need some good news.
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Trying to read the tea leaves. It does seem like Keels has told the staff that he is staying in the draft, hence the visit by Green. Not sure that the Baker decision is related. His role would have been the same with either Green or Keels on the team. Just have a feeling that something else is going on that might mean no minutes for Baker next year. The coach looking at Green and another player for next season? Baker is a smart guy. I think that he just recently was made aware of something.
Maybe Catchings better than expected? That plus Green would mean less minutes for Baker. More than likely Green visiting.
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IDK Chris. I just feel there is more going on. Baker really surprised me. From all that I have read, Baker loved Duke. The only thing that I can think of that would cause him to leave would be almost no minutes at all. By the way, kerwin has a different handle on IC.
But no minutes at all would mean more than just Green committing. I doubt we get Green and Keels, but it's possible. Maybe we are pursuing another wing transfer as well as Green.
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Your not getting both . That would make no sense. One of Green or Keels is coming off the bench. Whitehead is starting period and Roach isn’t coming off the bench . Whitehead isn’t a pf at all . He’s a sg/sf. Him and Catchings are the same size .
It's Keels or Green in the #2 slot if we land one. The other is playing elsewhere, but not coming off bench at Duke. I think Trevor is done at Duke anyway, and see it as a moot point. OFC
I wish Joey nothing but the best. The kid was a great team mate and gave Duke his all. I do think that 40% 3 Pt shooting is skewed though. He couldn't get it done in big games. When we needed a spark off the bench from our 7/8 guy on a bad team shooting night he very rarely had an impact. The short leash didn't help. Good luck Joey!
A player should get better with more playing time. The issue is as to whether the team would have been better with Joey getting more minutes. K did not think so. OFC
Good points guys. I think Joey was obviously waiting to see if he had a shot at the starting #2 slot. With the PUSH for ANOTHER PLAYER (Green) to fill the vacancy (if Keels leaves as I fully expect) this sealed his fate.
I can't blame our coaching staff for going after a proven scorer instead of Baker. I can't blame Joey for his departure either. The kid needs to go somewhere he knows he is NOT GOING to be on a "short leash." He may blossom as a deadly shooter. He does need to work on his "turnstile defense," quoting another Duke fan yesterday. OFC
Joey's defense is what kept him off the floor. He was a liability when the shot wasn't falling. He's a 4 star guy who gave Duke his all and wasn't ever more than I thought he would be. Glad we had him and wish him only the best. Duke now has two scholarships open. Green is a great talent. He's a HUGE improvement over Joey. Not a knock on Joey, just the facts. Let's get Green and another solid guy. I think Jon is trying to give Duke the best shot at competing for a title next season. Green gives Duke that. Baker, sadly, doesn't.