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K-oach Q

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Interesting....I had not seen that...

Will be interesting to me then what we do with someone like Bolden....He’s not a perimeter threat...not a great ball handler...would clog the lane either by being in it or his man being able to sag off him into more of a help position on someone else....

The reason it works for Gold State so well is because Draymond Green plays a majority of the center position and when he gets hot can really shoot it....

Even with Jav..he’s still not a outside threat...so will be interesting how they play the majority of the minutes...

Personally...I’m less interested about the offense...defense has been our main problem for a lot of years now...I’d rather read about a new defensive philosophy and how we will employ that....if this team can’t defend either I don’t care how good the offense is....we will lose when it counts most....
 
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Laettner15

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I’m really curious with this team, with bolden/vrank and someone like White/J-Rob... but I think I’m even more curious with recruiting going forward.
 
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Mac9192

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I understand going this route. The catch in all of it is, of course, shooting, because size may be given up against certain teams. Rebounding has never been Duke's strong suit. If we have that cold game from the perimeter, then we better hit the boards. I think our bigs can do ok in this system. They don't mind setting picks. They may find themselves getting good easy looks near the basket.

I agree too about our defense. If it doesn't improve, we better be very efficient on offense. But this style offense is the new cool.
 
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TheDude1

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Interesting quote from Kerr:

“It wasn’t just play your five best guys to death,” Kerr told ESPN. “It was play everybody. You go deep in your rotation, even if it means losing a couple of games in the regular season, just to empower everybody. It’s kind of the beauty of basketball, the old cliche’ about the total being more than the sum of the parts. I believe in all of that. Five guys have to operate together, but the other seven, or nine, however many, they’ve got to feel part of it.”
 
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bullettoothtony

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Love it. If we'll actually use our depth in the process. Because if we play our best players 35 minutes a game (once we get into ACC play) while asking them to play this style and also (likely) play pressure man-to-man on the other end, our guys will be utterly gassed, particularly in the 2nd halves of games.
 
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bullettoothtony

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TheDude1 said:
Interesting quote from Kerr:

“It wasn’t just play your five best guys to death,” Kerr told ESPN. “It was play everybody. You go deep in your rotation, even if it means losing a couple of games in the regular season, just to empower everybody. It’s kind of the beauty of basketball, the old cliche’ about the total being more than the sum of the parts. I believe in all of that. Five guys have to operate together, but the other seven, or nine, however many, they’ve got to feel part of it.”
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Obviously he gets it.
 
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BlueDevilWildcat

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Except we don't have the personnel to play this way. And how do you think guys like Bolden feel, basically being told he's on the bench the rest of his time at Duke (which may not be for long). At best it's insensitive, at worst it sounds spiteful.
 
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denverexpat

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Interesting - how well does this offense work with the college rules vs the NBA rules on defense? What happens when we encounter a zone like Syracuse plays? I'm all for change and making the best use of talent, it will definitely be something different.
 
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BlueDevilWildcat said:
Except we don't have the personnel to play this way. And how do you think guys like Bolden feel, basically being told he's on the bench the rest of his time at Duke (which may not be for long). At best it's insensitive, at worst it sounds spiteful.
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We actually have a similar type roster as someone like the warriors. Javin, Bolden and Vrank are like Javele, Zaza, and Kevin Looney.
 
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skysdad

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It's a fact that Duke doesn't play D the way it used too. Maybe if we can just put up unreal offensive numbers the defense won't be as much of a factor. We'll see. OFC
 
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Devilinside

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denverexpat said:
Interesting - how well does this offense work with the college rules vs the NBA rules on defense? What happens when we encounter a zone like Syracuse plays? I'm all for change and making the best use of talent, it will definitely be something different.
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They play zone in the NBA too.
 
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Devilinside

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BlueDevilWildcat said:
Except we don't have the personnel to play this way. And how do you think guys like Bolden feel, basically being told he's on the bench the rest of his time at Duke (which may not be for long). At best it's insensitive, at worst it sounds spiteful.
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I imagine Bolden would feel just like any other player who lost his starting position to someone better. Sensitivity to a player's feelings is irrelevant when weighed against what is best for the team and the other players. As to spite, why would K want to get back at Bolden for anything? Just out of curiosity, are you a millennial?
 
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dukiejay

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BlueDevilWildcat said:
Except we don't have the personnel to play this way. And how do you think guys like Bolden feel, basically being told he's on the bench the rest of his time at Duke (which may not be for long). At best it's insensitive, at worst it sounds spiteful.
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You're taking this either way too literally or just being completely obtuse. Probably both.

Truth of the matter is, that's not at all what K is saying. If Bolden can play, he'll play. There's been little evidence to suggest anything other than that.
 
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dukedevilz

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Seems like EJ Montgomery would have fit well in this system. Oh well. As far as utilizing the skillset of our current bigs, I suspect the big men will be moving frequently, but mostly for screens - and rolling to the basket. I imagine their movement will be a bit more restricted than the wings/guards.
 
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LetsGoDukies

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My main concern with this will be offensive rebounding. It's tough to rebound with 5 guys away from the basket.
 
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nets on nets on nets

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I'm not buying anything until we see the games. I still think we start Javin/Bolden and don't run a complete 5-out offense unless were behind late.

To me, this is a recruiting tactic, the NBA has shifted to a 5-out offense, and guys we recruit want to play and have success in the NBA.
"Hey, Matthew and Vernon, come play for me and we will run an offense to best prepare you for when your an Atlanta Hawk the following year."
 
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timo0402

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jwill133 said:
I'm not buying anything until we see the games. I still think we start Javin/Bolden and don't run a complete 5-out offense unless were behind late.

To me, this is a recruiting tactic, the NBA has shifted to a 5-out offense, and guys we recruit want to play and have success in the NBA.
"Hey, Matthew and Vernon, come play for me and we will run an offense to best prepare you for when your an Atlanta Hawk the following year."
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If you listened to K explain it yesterday he explained the role of Bolden and/or Javin within the system. Additionally he brought up the need at some point to play them both at the same time. He is basically saying they will adapt as the season progresses to add more to it.

I thought for the most part of his press conference he was very positive regarding Marques- talked about him having his best week of practice to date. How he has a real role in the five out offense based on where a player like him is placed for easy dunks etc.

I do agree with you that it is a recruiting tool.
 
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jojozbludevilz

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BlueDevilWildcat said:
Except we don't have the personnel to play this way. And how do you think guys like Bolden feel, basically being told he's on the bench the rest of his time at Duke (which may not be for long). At best it's insensitive, at worst it sounds spiteful.
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Insensitive? Definitely don't want to hurt anybody's feelings!!
 
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LetsGoDukies

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BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
seems as if all 10 guys are out away from the basket...rebounding will be equal opportunity????????
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Maybe so.. the defensive players will be closer to the basket though. I just don't see guys being able to box out and go up for rebounds as normal but hopefully it works!
 
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youngman42

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If K follows through on his plan, this will be good. Golden State can play this with big men and have. The big man will set a pick and then break to the basket. If the players are drilled well, are smart enough to learn this new style, then they will have more open opportunities. I think Bolden could do well if he plays hard - he should have some interesting opportunites breaking to the basket off of pick and rolls. Other times if his man stays on him he can break outside and then pass the ball. He'll need to be a better passer.

But, it's good for Bolden, imo. He needs to learn to play this way and it will help him compete at the NBA level.

ANd, if it forces K to play more players then more power to this new offense.

All that said, K has been known to try something new and then revert back to his old stand bys when he gets nervous in tight games; shortening his bench; etc.
 
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Laettner

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My middle school program installed 5 Out two seasons ago, K must have seen tape and said I want Laettner's offense!

Hey Coach feel free to call with questions and tickets to CIS.
 
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LetsGoDukies said:
Maybe so.. the defensive players will be closer to the basket though. I just don't see guys being able to box out and go up for rebounds as normal but hopefully it works!
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true, but they would be in chase mode and the offensive guys would have better view probably of initial shots and action going towards the rim???..idk...well see how it goes
 
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Laettner

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dukesince91 said:
I actually think you have a much better chance for an offensive rebound when you have defenders much further away from the basket. We might want to ask Laettner.
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We clean up on the glass b/c man defense is taught so poorly at the youth level these days. Kids just ball stare and lanes for offensive boards are wide open. We do face a lot of zone but kids in 6th-8th can knock down threes these days so man defense is called at some point. I've got a silky smooth 8th grader who is 6'3' and will play D1 ball, he drives the ball at will.
 
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dukesince91

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I retired from teaching a year ago. I coached middle school basketball too. I had a player about 28 years ago that was phenomenal. He was dunking with 2 hands when he entered the 7th grade.
 
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BLUEDEVILLinKY said:
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I was eating at bdubs last year in pikeville watching one of our early tournament games. Me and my wife went into hibbets after we got done and I saw a guy in a duke shirt and I said were winning big, he said yeah I usually dont meet many other duke fans. I'm from paintsville.
 
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