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The good thing for Duval is that he's young, and there is the G league where he can develope more. He may not have a great jumper but the kid is athletic, quick, and if he can be devoted to locking down on defense, I think that's where he could thrive. Apparently his vision bothered his shooting so now that he is getting that taken care of, he may really improve in that area too. It was showing little by little down the stretch for us.
 
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Nice read -and I'm sure it will be hotly debated here.
I liked this statement "Kentucky and Duke are run more like NBA teams than NCAA programs. While most NCAA programs desperately need players like Duval and Trent, that scenario is reversed at the next level. NBA teams have more talent than they can use, and they don’t have much incentive to develop players, unless they are truly transcendent. They are perfectly happy to let players like Duval and Trent figure it out for themselves in college, the G League, or overseas. Point guards who can’t shoot and shooting guards who don’t defend or pass are expendable"

Its true, pro teams don't need to develop players; there are so many players here and internationally that they can find what they need to play immediately. It's on the players to improve and show they can contribute.

I don't agree with the players being "forced out" as the author says.....Coach K isn't that guy, at least I hope not as I admire him for who he is and this would be in direct conflict with the values he espouses.
 
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Interesting read. It's my opinion that Duval would have had a better one season at Duke had Bagley not came. I know that's not a popular stance, and I know Bagley is a stud, but it hindered Duval's ability to be the slasher and distributor he is. Several guys would have had better seasons, Grayson being another. Again, nothing personal against Bagley, seems like a good kid.

I don't know if I buy the pushing the kids out the door. Maybe so, but the coaching staff has to protect themselves from having no good player in that position. Maybe it's a little of both, but what's the answer?
The bigger issue on this matter is these kids come to Duke and get so much more exposure than almost anywhere else. A Kennard becomes a lottery pick at Duke, where he gets the ball to score, and gets to do it on national tv almost every game.
The solution won't be a happy one for many, but quite a few don't like the current model either.
 
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Quavarius said:
First it was K was holding them back and now he's kicking them out. Which is it?
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In this case the author says its both. Held him back cause he couldnt dominate the ball and kicked him out because they recruited over him.

**** that guy. He was never staying more than one year period.
 
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The author conveniently leaves out the fact that Trevon was never coming back anyway. If he wanted to make this case, he should have highlighted Trent or Frank Jackson from last year.

As far as the recruiting over part, I think Coach K changed his OAD philosophy after the 15 team. Before that (and in the year right after) we only seemed to go really hard after 1 OAD per class. We missed on Wall, but then got Kyrie, River, Jabari, and Ingram in 16. When the 15 team came in, Okafor was the only one expected to be OAD. Winslow was a possibility, but everyone thought we would get multiple years out of Tyus and Grayson. I think that team showed K 2 things. 1. He could win with multiple freshmen, and 2. If we had the success we hoped for, those freshmen would never be sophomores. He couldn't change the 16 cycle at that point so we still just had the single OAD, but then he went all in. The incoming class will now be his 3rd straight that's expected to have 3+ OADs.

So while guys like Jackson and Trent may have been "recruited over," I think K made the decision it's better to have too many guys than get caught without enough.
 
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Duval didn't commit to Duke until after Frank Jackson had declared for the NBA. I'm not so sure Trevon would have chosen Duke with Frank here.

Gary Trent was also always going to be one-and-done.
 
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dukiejay said:
Duval didn't commit to Duke until after Frank Jackson had declared for the NBA. I'm not so sure Trevon would have chosen Duke with Frank here.

Gary Trent was also always going to be one-and-done.
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I agree that so far most of these guys were one and done all along, like I said, the author conveniently left that out. I still think K changed his philosophy on recruiting these guys after he lost Tyus sooner than he thought he would which ended up putting us in a bind for 2 seasons.
 
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This is so dumb. I just have one take to say. This guy acts like the NBA isn't geared now more than ever to develop players. It's is filled with second round picks that developed over a few years. He acts like the Pelicans already decided they wanted their Frank Jackson pick. They're pretty high on him and could've definitely used him this year. Thats the whole reason they locked him in for 3 years. So another team couldn't steal him when they have no room in the cap. I really believe he's going to play a big role for them next year. They don't have much else.
 
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I criticize Coach more than probably anyone on this board, but no way are Trent and Duval leaving Duke a K problem. From everything I've read, both of those guys made it clear they were 1AD, so obviously we're going to recruit their position. And if either had proved more capable, they would have been given more flexibility and room to shine.

If Duval could hit the broad side of a barn, he would have gotten us to the F4 and would have been drafted in the first round. Criticizing our offensive play calling as undermining Duval's strengths reminds me of when Thorton was running point. As we saw this past year at USC, wouldn't have mattered what we did, Thorton's limits were all on him.
 
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Mac9192 said:
Interesting read. It's my opinion that Duval would have had a better one season at Duke had Bagley not came. I know that's not a popular stance, and I know Bagley is a stud, but it hindered Duval's ability to be the slasher and distributor he is. Several guys would have had better seasons, Grayson being another. Again, nothing personal against Bagley, seems like a good kid.

I don't know if I buy the pushing the kids out the door. Maybe so, but the coaching staff has to protect themselves from having no good player in that position. Maybe it's a little of both, but what's the answer?
The bigger issue on this matter is these kids come to Duke and get so much more exposure than almost anywhere else. A Kennard becomes a lottery pick at Duke, where he gets the ball to score, and gets to do it on national tv almost every game.
The solution won't be a happy one for many, but quite a few don't like the current model either.
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Can't help it huh? No Bagley wouldn't have help Grayson. He would've been the key and he wouldn't have gotten as many open shots as he did. I know you love him and all. The style of play is why Duval couldn't showcase his talents. Coach K doesn't usually showcase point guards. He showcase wing players and stretch 4s
 
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Duval only came to Duke b/c Jackson left. Trevon doesn't want to compete for time at college level b/c he'll be exposed. The days of competing for time have passed, how sad.
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That's what they all do nowadays. Frank Jackson only came once that other point guard before him transferred. Can't remember his name
 
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Can't help it huh? No Bagley wouldn't have help Grayson. He would've been the key and he wouldn't have gotten as many open shots as he did. I know you love him and all. The style of play is why Duval couldn't showcase his talents. Coach K doesn't usually showcase point guards. He showcase wing players and stretch 4s
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You're truly something else man
 
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This article is dumb. He said Duval has a 6-3 wingspan. All credibility was shot at that moment. Duval was never going to show his true talent at Duke because Duke is not a heavy PNR team. He came to Duke to try and learn how to play point guard. His dad admitted to the coaching staff that he's very raw as a lead guard. He will be better in an NBA offense
 
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I just clicked ‘show blocked content’ and 15 extra posts popped up. The quality of blocked content reaffirms my decision to start using the ignore feature. DI is much better when using it. I suggest you all try it.
 
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dachampishere2 said:
Big man! Hahahaha. Let's not start the name calling. I've been coming across a lot of tough guys lately. They never seem to follow through though. Wasting my time and gas.
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I'm not being a "tough guy" but you're getting old with your left field nut job ideas. Dachumpishere2 should be your name. And probably 95% of the board agrees
 
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LOL at this article. What in the world would K or any coach do in this situation?

1) K recruits several other PG's in the class of 17. (Young, Green, Coleman, Waters to some extent)For various reasons, their recruitments die out.

2) Duval transfers to IMG and gets his stuff together enough to become recruitable again. Duke gets back in it and he decides go there after Jackson leaves (although we really dont know the real behind the scene sequence of events here. For all we know, Duval's silent commitment pushed Jackson out the door

3) Duval and his family make it crystal clear that he will one an done.

What is K supposed to do? Stop recruiting guys he's been recruiting for 3 years (Jones and Garland) because his top 10 PG MIGHT have a less than excellent year and MIGHT want to come back and improve his stock?....when that player has made it known in no uncertain terms that he wont be back anyway? Is he supposed to change his offense to feature Trevon (who, despite his many gifts, can't shoot and is a sub-par decision maker at the PG spot) even though he has 2 of the best 3 big men in the country? Yeah, all that seems like something a guy with over 1000 wins would do.....

Its really unfortunate that Duval's stock dropped this year. I feel for the kid (as much as you can feel for someone who is still about to make a high 6 figure salary at 19 to play ball). But everyone knew the deal here.
 
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dachampishere2 said:
Big man! Hahahaha. Let's not start the name calling. I've been coming across a lot of tough guys lately. They never seem to follow through though. Wasting my time and gas.
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Orrrrr maybe people just pass over your posts. Now so we're clear, likes here aren't for popularity purposes but for people typing sensible and/or funny posts. IIRC you rarely get likes. Just a simple observation.
 
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1) Duke needed Bagley and 2) Grayson was a good basketball player for Duke, his two best seasons being his first two.
 
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dachampishere2 said:
That's what they all do nowadays. Frank Jackson only came once that other point guard before him transferred. Can't remember his name
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Frank Jackson committed and signed with Duke long before Derryck Thornton decided to transfer. You’re simply wrong....but I’m sure you’ll tell me how you’re right.
 
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SoCal_Dukie3 said:
Orrrrr maybe people just pass over your posts. Now so we're clear, likes here aren't for popularity purposes but for people typing sensible and/or funny posts. IIRC you rarely get likes. Just a simple observation.
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I don't care about likes. I don't think I've ever even liked anyone's post on here either.
 
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dukiejay said:
Frank Jackson committed and signed with Duke long before Derryck Thornton decided to transfer. You’re simply wrong....but I’m sure you’ll tell me how you’re right.
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Correction...Derryck Thornton decided to transfer once he say Frank Jackson was coming. He knew he wasn't OAD and that he wouldn't play a lot
 
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pisgah101 said:
I'm not being a "tough guy" but you're getting old with your left field nut job ideas. Dachumpishere2 should be your name. And probably 95% of the board agrees
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Once again let's just stay away from the name calling. Let's keep it cool. I can care less what the board thinks. Yall love Grayson and I don't. He had one good year and two mediocre years. Freshman year was neutral. He didn't play enough. He looked good in that 8th player role. He might be able to be good at that in the NBA. Kind of being an afterthought
 
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dachampishere2 said:
Once again let's just stay away from the name calling. Let's keep it cool. I can care less what the board thinks. Yall love Grayson and I don't. He had one good year and two mediocre years. Freshman year was neutral. He didn't play enough. He looked good in that 8th player role. He might be able to be good at that in the NBA. Kind of being an afterthought
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You could care less what the board thinks yet you continue to post here and argue with anyone that disagrees and/or calls you out (which happens nearly every post). Just keep using the "Wendell Carter isn't hurt even though he's admitted he is" defense, you know, play stupid the entire time.
 
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GillJET said:
You’re making it hard for people to respect you when you constantly trash Grayson.
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He was trash this year for what he was supposed to be. Preseason ACC POY and All-American. He didn't look like an All-ACC player at all this year. Maybe he had too much pressure on him. That leader role isn't for everyone
 
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SoCal_Dukie3 said:
You could care less what the board thinks yet you continue to post here and argue with anyone that disagrees and/or calls you out (which happens nearly every post). Just keep using the "Wendell Carter isn't hurt even though he's admitted he is" defense, you know, play stupid the entire time.
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You're still talking about this Wendell Carter thing. Let it go. This is for fun to me.
 
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dachampishere2 said:
Once again let's just stay away from the name calling. Let's keep it cool. I can care less what the board thinks. Yall love Grayson and I don't. He had one good year and two mediocre years. Freshman year was neutral. He didn't play enough. He looked good in that 8th player role. He might be able to be good at that in the NBA. Kind of being an afterthought
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So you are a Duke fan, who gets annoyed at other Duke fans when they love a Duke player too much?
How does that make any sense?
 
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