Tucker looks checked out
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Didn't watch a lot of the game, thought it odd he wasn't in there at the end. If that was the case, then it makes more sense. Hopefully K can turn him around.
Yeah, he never got in. Never even took off his top. Gotta wonder if he has informed the staff that he is moving on.
He wasn't dressed to play, if he had taken off his top there might be something to worry about.
Not for nothing but this would be one transfer( if that is his intention) where I would ask him,” didn’t you say you knew in your interview that once you got the offer and you excepted that you knew what and who was infront of you?”
There have been rumors off and on about Tucker even the one where someone posted ,” wonder how long before Jordan Tucker announces he’s transferring and he hit like on twitter or whatever.
There have been rumors off and on about Tucker even the one where someone posted ,” wonder how long before Jordan Tucker announces he’s transferring and he hit like on twitter or whatever.
I don’t think he’s going anywhere...he’s dating a freshmen on the girls team.
A lot of PT opening up next year and as a Jr Tucker would be a really nice piece to have. Time will tell, hope he sticks it out.
Side note; Hope we see big Vrank and Jack both too end their careers at Duke.
A lot of PT opening up next year and as a Jr Tucker would be a really nice piece to have. Time will tell, hope he sticks it out.
Side note; Hope we see big Vrank and Jack both too end their careers at Duke.
Anyone leaving after 12 games into their career was never cut out to be here anyway and that would be best for both parties. I doubt that’s the case here....but hey i could be wrong.
This. I am with you on this one Tim. This day and age of instant gratification is mind boggling. I coach high school football and see it all the time. What happened to pushing yourself to be better?
I am not saying he is transferring but I would be willing to bet that he has one foot out the door.
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First, we know what the story is with Javins injury. But no mention of what Jordans was/is.
Second... did you see the two of them? Javin was off that bench cheering on his classmates, slapping five, welcoming guys back to the bench... Jordan didn't move and barely reacted outside of the occassional half hearted clap.
Might be nothing... but we do have regular transfers, and they often follow a similar pattern... non top ten guy who comes in, mysteriously doesn't play much, doesn't look like he is really enjoying his time here, and then moves on to Nevada or Syracuse or Michigan State or wherever.
You said they mysteriously don’t play. I’m asking what is mysterious about it? He is 12 games into a career and has been beat out by other guys thus far. Nothing mysterious about it.
I appreciate the fact we can discuss the reaction, good or bad, of players and no one is getting rebuked for their analysis.
If Tucker does not like his situation he will leave. And if us fans have seen this body language before in the past and players have transferred, then we made the right call.
To be honest I just don’t get why people freak out about this stuff. It is not exactly like we are hard up for talent any given year. Either he wants to stay and work hard and earn his opportunities or he won’t and he’ll transfer. Does it really matter all that much? I don’t think we need to analyze it nearly to the degree some are.
Oh, I thought you meant about Jordan.
I suppose what I mean is that we have guys who come in who, when they arrive, seem to have some combo of body and skills and ability that points to them being able to contribute, either immediately or in the near future, and we expect them to play a bit... guys like Semi, or Olek, or Sean, or any number of guys... and then they either play way less than fans expected or even barely play at all, and we are left without quite knowing why, you know?
Jordan, to me, seems similar to that... good size, excellent shooter... I think most people thought he would be maybe the seventh or eighth guy in our rotation, behind the starters and maybe Ques and one of OC or Jordan... but he has only seen action in two games, without getting minutes in some games where we won by 30 points... and there hasn't been anything from the coaches about him, not even a lip service "He is still learning, still getting up to speed, etc etc."
I suppose that's what I mean by "mysterious."
AOC is far better and ready to play than anyone expected. So Tucker was beat out for that spot. He can work hard to get PT if he wants. If not he can leave and there are plenty of HS kids ranked around the same # who would be happy to take his place. Having said that, he might be very happy at Duke and last night was simply unhappy not to be able to play.
First, I don't think anyone is "freaking out."
Second, it's always disappointing when a kid doesn't seem to be fitting in well or getting PT. It's not a great thing for the team when it's like that. And, as a fan, I want the young guys to be into it.
Third, it's also disappointing when a kid transfers.
Second, it's always disappointing when a kid doesn't seem to be fitting in well or getting PT. It's not a great thing for the team when it's like that. And, as a fan, I want the young guys to be into it.
Third, it's also disappointing when a kid transfers.
I see it as Jordan knew, but didn't know what he was getting into.
1- He willingly knew he was a back up plan to Knox. When Knox announced Kentucky, and Duke offered Jordan, it was he who discussed there's no shame in being option 2.
2- He did or did not know about Bagley's intention to reclassify and go to Duke. By this happening, it took a lot of potential minutes away.
3- Jordan was told by the staff what he needed to work on, so he knew his path as a player in terms of developing.
4- Is he going to redshirt? Only he and the staff know that.
5- He knows who the 3 incoming Fr are and how they will potentially impact the team as far as game minutes. He knows if this is a situation he wants to be a part of bc there is minutes off the bench to give as a 3 or stretch 4.
I'm not really surprised either by the instant gratification players (or their family members) are needed. I'm also no surprised when players don't accept their role that year. That's who getting in the way of being a part of a team. What does surprise me is when players sulk. Shows a lot of who you are as a person. Be in the moment, be excited with your teammates (in this case future NBAers), and be proud you're attending Duke.
1- He willingly knew he was a back up plan to Knox. When Knox announced Kentucky, and Duke offered Jordan, it was he who discussed there's no shame in being option 2.
2- He did or did not know about Bagley's intention to reclassify and go to Duke. By this happening, it took a lot of potential minutes away.
3- Jordan was told by the staff what he needed to work on, so he knew his path as a player in terms of developing.
4- Is he going to redshirt? Only he and the staff know that.
5- He knows who the 3 incoming Fr are and how they will potentially impact the team as far as game minutes. He knows if this is a situation he wants to be a part of bc there is minutes off the bench to give as a 3 or stretch 4.
I'm not really surprised either by the instant gratification players (or their family members) are needed. I'm also no surprised when players don't accept their role that year. That's who getting in the way of being a part of a team. What does surprise me is when players sulk. Shows a lot of who you are as a person. Be in the moment, be excited with your teammates (in this case future NBAers), and be proud you're attending Duke.
I hear you. And for the record, i thought he would be that 8th guy. I think we all tended to agree that in most games K will have a rotation of 7-8, we all knew who the 7 were, but who was that 8th (knowing also that Goldwire would get situational minutes at the PG spot, so that doesnt really count). I personally thought it would be Jordan, for the reasons you mentioned. I completely whiffed on how good Alex is this early on. He is really good. Quite frankly, he clearly just beat out Jordan, and Jack. Justin, despite his "preferred walk on" status, has done a great job in the minutes he's been called on as well. I think it's just a situation, as tough as a pill as it is to swallow, that he's the lowest man on the totem poll right now. I dont see him being ready in the short stints we have seen him this year. That's ok, he has an opportunity to be a really nice player for us as he matures and builds confidence, b/c he does have a really nice shot and he is a really good athlete. I think he just has to be patient and trust the staff to get him to the potential he can have.
As for a couple of the guys you mentioned- Semi, Sean, Olek- the only one that i can somewhat compare him to in that group is Semi. Semi, came to duke, knowing full well that Jabari and Rodney were ahead of him. He also is a great case study for Jordan. Listen to the staff. Isn't it ironic that he had his best year and what got him into the league, is exactly what the staff was preaching to him from the beginning, but he was to stubborn to accept. The other two guys....i mean, i am not sure what to say other than they weren't that good and I think the staff will tell you they probably misevaluated there. Speaking of Obi, how is he doing at Maryland this year? He's played in 10 of 13 games for MD, averaging 5 min a game. You would have thought the staff killed his dog the way they were criticized. And YES, he was actually injured. Great kid though, and it worked out quite well for him.
Can't speak for what Tucker may or may not be thinking. Hope he works hard and listens to the staff. Agree with Timo on O'Connell. I thought Tucker, with his size, would play, and I thought O'Connell wouldn't because of his. I was wrong. Alex knows how to play. Nothing against Tucker or White, but with K and the minutes the starters get, that with few minutes left to go around, easy to see that O'Connell gets some of those minutes. It's just the way it is.
I deal directly with 5-7 players transferring per year. I help them to find a new college. With that said, I'm completely blown away about the reasons. It's part of life and maturing but lots of times day's players (and family) are caught up on the image of 1) Who the college is, 2) the conference they play in, and 3) how much scholarship money they receive.
Most fail to prioritize:
- the best academic setting to achieve a degree in a desired major to live out their life with,
- a location in the country that meets their needed environmental needs
- that inner peace and heart felt desire to be at a college even without playing a sport.
Yes, it's a business for the elite players, but the majority of players (and families) need to allow young adults grow in life experiences
Most fail to prioritize:
- the best academic setting to achieve a degree in a desired major to live out their life with,
- a location in the country that meets their needed environmental needs
- that inner peace and heart felt desire to be at a college even without playing a sport.
Yes, it's a business for the elite players, but the majority of players (and families) need to allow young adults grow in life experiences
Tucker has a good looking jumper and is 6’7 and can run the floor well. If he can learn the art of defense and improve his handle, he will be a prospect. He’s got work to do. Duke is a great place to benefit from your own hard work.
Sort of like Javin last year when he was a Freshman. Didn’t play nearly as much as expected given the injuries to Tatum, Giles and Bolden.
Its my understanding Tucker has a "hip injury." Apparently this would qualify him as a MEDICAL redshirt. However nothing has been announced about his future. I really dont think Jordan has decided what he wants to do, considering staff's little or no comment....
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Great post. My brother and two of my cousins played a big 3 sport in the ACC, 2 at UNC. I’ll add that coaches primary job in college is to win games, especially if you aren’t established like a K or Roy. Even then, fans question these HOFs.
Back to my point, not every kid is a fit for the coach and vice versa. Recruiting is like dating where you kind of see the best of everyone. But once you enroll, it’s like moving in. All your flaws are magnified. Not everyone is an ideal match and sometimes is just better to move on/out.
I have always thought that it is pretty cavalier for me (or anyone) to think somehow we can step into the head of an 18-year old recruit and predict what he's thinking -- guys like Harrison Barnes, Kevin Knox, or any other strong Duke lean we had comes to mind.
I guess I'm going to extend that to the "oh-he's-going-to-transfer" crowd. A kid comes into a elite program with a stacked roster knowing that he knows and yet we seem pretty eager to proclaim he's on the way out after 12 games into his college career. I am always happy for a kid that transfers out and with the exception of 1 or 2 players I really wish them the best. Semi is the latest one to mind that really benefited from the transfer.
JT may stay and he may go. Duke is a demanding university. Duke basketball is a demanding program. Transitioning into college is _hard_ in every way. But, for anyone to trying to decide what a player is going to do in the future based on his facial expression on TV and what he is wearing during a game is pretty amazing. We must be a bunch of Psychic Detective Profilers specializing in teenage male angst and egos. Didn't know we had that kind of talent.
I guess I'm going to extend that to the "oh-he's-going-to-transfer" crowd. A kid comes into a elite program with a stacked roster knowing that he knows and yet we seem pretty eager to proclaim he's on the way out after 12 games into his college career. I am always happy for a kid that transfers out and with the exception of 1 or 2 players I really wish them the best. Semi is the latest one to mind that really benefited from the transfer.
JT may stay and he may go. Duke is a demanding university. Duke basketball is a demanding program. Transitioning into college is _hard_ in every way. But, for anyone to trying to decide what a player is going to do in the future based on his facial expression on TV and what he is wearing during a game is pretty amazing. We must be a bunch of Psychic Detective Profilers specializing in teenage male angst and egos. Didn't know we had that kind of talent.
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Probably not. With Alex O already ahead of him in the rotation that is three wings ahead of him. I pretty sure he going to transfer out.
Some kids are better off if they go to Cuse or Nova if they are not a top 25 type recruit. Jordan was a top 40 to a top 80 player in this class. Alex O would have been a top 30 type recruit if he had the size.
Sometimes it better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond.
I do think Jordan T can make a solid contribution next year especially if Duke goes small. If Duke starts Tre, Cam, RJ and Alex the then the only players off the bench is Jordan G who at most adds to defending the 1 or 2 and ball handling; he's not a scorer at all. JT could play the 3-4 and is a scorer, although needs to improve his D. So I feel there is s role for him. Maybe not the role he wants....