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I don't always agree with Jim Brown, although I do here, but I have always respected him for his sincerely held views. And he played at a time when he didn't make the kind of money they make now.
 

hart2chesson

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Agree w/Brown in sense Kap is going about this the wrong way. He should have never carried his stance to the field where he was being paid handsomely by the NFL.

He should have gone thru other channels off the field. I am with Jerry Jones-anybody who does that kneeling stuff here is off the team!

OFC
 
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timo0402

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Here's the thing. It's pretty simple. Kap isn't good enough to do this, as a QB, backup at that.

The last thing in the universe a team wants is a distraction coming from its backup QB. QB is the most influential, important and visible position in all of sports. You are polarizing and NOT GOOD, why in the world would we subject our team and fan base to that. The second he signs somewhere espn and everyone else is going to make that town their home. It will be a circus.

And if you think that won't happen, see Tebow, Timothy.
 

timo0402

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Hank is making my point though- a lot of other players are doing it- name five, you probably cannot or you have to really think about it to do so. He has every right to do whatever he wants. Problem Kap has is two fold one he's auditioning or applying for jobs so to speak. He is unemployed, he can't be a polarizing figure and also trying to land a job at the same time- it's not good business. Think about it, if it's down to me and some other guy and I'm guaranteed to be a distraction and we are both marginally talented, neither of us have any huge value in terms of pushing the company forwards he's gonna go with the other guy. If Kap was a stud, they could handle it.

Look, ESPN, in my opinion ended Tebows career. Tebow wasn't good enough to be a starter in the league but I'm sure he was plenty good enough to be on a roster. The problem is he's not good enough to warrant the media circus that follows him around. The same thing applies here.
 
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Hank is making my point though- a lot of other players are doing it- name five, you probably cannot or you have to really think about it to do so. He has every right to do whatever he wants. Problem Kap has is two fold one he's auditioning or applying for jobs so to speak. He is unemployed, he can't be a polarizing figure and also trying to land a job at the same time- it's not good business. Think about it, if it's down to me and some other guy and I'm guaranteed to be a distraction and we are both marginally talented, neither of us have any huge value in terms of pushing the company forwards he's gonna go with the other guy. If Kap was a stud, they could handle it.

Look, ESPN, in my opinion ended Tebows career. Tebow wasn't good enough to be a starter in the league but I'm sure he was plenty good enough to be on a roster. The problem is he's not good enough to warrant the media circus that follows him around. The same thing applies here.

Can't use the "distraction" excuse when NFL teams have domestic abusers, rapists, etc. on the team. None of Kap's teammates have said he was a distraction in the locker room.

You mean NFL teams don't want extra publicity? It's the NFL and a lame excuse. The NFL doesnt want to offend certain customers, let's call it what it is. This has nothing to do with distractions.

You know how the distraction goes away? By letting him play. Are the other players who decided to kneel during preseason also a distraction as well?
 
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timo0402

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Can't use the "distraction" excuse when NFL teams have domestic abusers, rapists, etc. on the team. None of Kap's teammates have said he was a distraction in the locker room.

You mean NFL teams don't want extra publicity? It's the NFL and a lame excuse. The NFL doesnt want to offend certain customers, let's call it what it is. This has nothing to do with distractions.

You know how the distraction goes away? By letting him play. Are the other players who decided to kneel during preseason also a distraction as well?
Why doesn't Tebow have a job then?
 
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Agree w/Brown in sense Kap is going about this the wrong way. He should have never carried his stance to the field where he was being paid handsomely by the NFL.

He should have gone thru other chances off the field. I am with Jerry Jones-anybody who does that kneeling stuff here is off the team!

OFC
Amen brother!!
 
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timo0402

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Can't use the "distraction" excuse when NFL teams have domestic abusers, rapists, etc. on the team. None of Kap's teammates have said he was a distraction in the locker room.

You mean NFL teams don't want extra publicity? It's the NFL and a lame excuse. The NFL doesnt want to offend certain customers, let's call it what it is. This has nothing to do with distractions.

You know how the distraction goes away? By letting him play. Are the other players who decided to kneel during preseason also a distraction as well?
You're also missing my entire point, name five of those players (that are kneeling)? You can't. The point is the dude is trying to join a team as a backup QB. Backup QBs get zero press and shouldn't be a distraction to anyone, not just the lockeroom. When you're head coach is getting a boatload of questions every week on why you didn't sign or play Tebow or Kap, that's an unnecessary distraction. It's caused by the media. There are different types of distractions and levels of them. If you want cnn, fox, along with espn joining your press conference each week then by all means. But that is why Kap doesn't have a job. He's not good enough to warrant all the baggage that comes with him. That's just the truth. Again, he has the right to do whatever he wants, that's what this country is all about, and I'm fine with that- but again, when you need a job, the last thing you're trying to do is show why you shouldn't get the job.
 
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Can't use the "distraction" excuse when NFL teams have domestic abusers, rapists, etc. on the team. None of Kap's teammates have said he was a distraction in the locker room.

You mean NFL teams don't want extra publicity? It's the NFL and a lame excuse. The NFL doesnt want to offend certain customers, let's call it what it is. This has nothing to do with distractions.

You know how the distraction goes away? By letting him play. Are the other players who decided to kneel during preseason also a distraction as well?
The NFL is a business.As a business owner I only hire people who make money for me.Regardless of how you feel about his position he alienates some of your customers thereby costing you money.Someone like Tom Brady is talented enough to win more customers than Kaepenack so he will not get a job.Simple basic economics
 

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The NFL is a business.As a business owner I only hire people who make money for me.Regardless of how you feel about his position he alienates some of your customers thereby costing you money.Someone like Tom Brady is talented enough to win more customers than Kaepenack so he will not get a job.Simple basic economics
spot on tops coach, the NFL is a huge money making business and when an employee hurts your business you cut ties with that employee be he a waiter, dancer or in this case an over paid football player. Kaepenack should be banned from sports forever to set an example.
 

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Kapernick is an idiot, a sincere one, but an idiot all the same. He is trying to get a job in entertainment that is driven by sponsors and audience. THEY ARE NOT BUYING what he is trying to sell. NOW, if he decides to stand, THEN HE HAS SOLD OUT TO THE MAN! He's painted himself into a corner that is not easy to get out of.

I think Mr. Brown's point is dead-on. Kap needs to figure out what he wants to do and do it. He could come out with a statement thanking his supporter and addressing his detractors -- say that he will stand during the Pledge and National Anthem and try and figure out how best to mobilize his mission in the future.

Will it help him land a job? Think it would do better than what he has been doing.

IMHO
 

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Well, this will attract dattier and another one of his/her whiny rants. Ignore button on stand-by.....lol
 

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You're also missing my entire point, name five of those players (that are kneeling)? You can't. The point is the dude is trying to join a team as a backup QB. Backup QBs get zero press and shouldn't be a distraction to anyone, not just the lockeroom. When you're head coach is getting a boatload of questions every week on why you didn't sign or play Tebow or Kap, that's an unnecessary distraction. It's caused by the media. There are different types of distractions and levels of them. If you want cnn, fox, along with espn joining your press conference each week then by all means. But that is why Kap doesn't have a job. He's not good enough to warrant all the baggage that comes with him. That's just the truth. Again, he has the right to do whatever he wants, that's what this country is all about, and I'm fine with that- but again, when you need a job, the last thing you're trying to do is show why you shouldn't get the job.
Kapernick had a job for this up and coming season. He walked away from it. He was set to be paid $16 million for that job as well.
 

hart2chesson

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Man, you don't want my opinion on this. I mean, I just saw another video of BLM chanting 'die Pigs die' yet that's okay to the few apologists here. There's people wrong on both sides, but sadly only one group seems to understand that.

I'm tired of the hate all around, praying it gets better soon.

So Cal you just put it in perspective! Good job! OFC
 
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In other news, just saw where Canada has added a third option when identifying gender on passports. You can choose male, female, or "X" now......just wow!
 
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timo0402

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I just.....the idiocy continues. I'm not a Trump supporter, but comparing him to Hitler, and man who murdered millions of Jews? This has to be a sick joke.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20235...m_content=082517-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
It's like anything else. The more attention you give it the more it fuels them. Whether you're talking about the neo-nazis or the flaming left. The people that are stoking the fire are trying to get a rise and cause division so that each of them blames the other and it smashes common sense thinking. This is what makes people like George Soros so incredibly dangerous.
 
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SoCal you contradict yourself and misrepresent others. I have yet to read a single poster here condone the violence that some who are associated with BLM profess, whether that violence is directed at police or anyone else. Not a single one. You are tired of the hate all around yet you label those who disagree with you as apologists. Is that an affectionate term for you? You saw a video. Did you check the accuracy of that video? You know like the video showing a protester beating a cop in Charlottesville that actually was from a protest in Greece.

I am a registered Republican from a red county. Cannot say that I agree with much I am seeing from our Republican leadership these days, nationally or locally. When I last renewed my license, I switched parties-mostly pertaining to local primary issues. Regardless of party affiliation, from where I stand, I see a whole lot more hate coming form the right than I do the left. I will agree with you on one thing-Hate is poison.
 
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hart2chesson

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SoCal you contradict yourself and misrepresent others. I have yet to read a single poster here condone the violence that some who are associated with BLM profess, whether that violence is directed at police or anyone else. Not a single one. You are tired of the hate all around yet you label those who disagree with you as apologists. Is that an affectionate term for you? You saw a video. Did you check the accuracy of that video? You know like the video showing a protester beating a cop in Charlottesville that actually was from a protest in Greece.

I am a registered Republican from a red county. Cannot say that I agree with much I am seeing from our Republican leadership these days, nationally or locally. When I last renewed my license, I switched parties-mostly pertaining to local primary issues. Regardless of party affiliation, from where I stand, I see a whole lot more hate coming form the right than I do the left. I will agree with you on one thing-Hate is poison.

I see it from both sides, but couldnt say I see
more hate from the right. I still say ALL LIVES MATTER because until we can agree to that POV I do not believe there is a realistic chance of civil dialogue.

OFC
 

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SoCal you contradict yourself and misrepresent others. I have yet to read a single poster here condone the violence that some who are associated with BLM profess, whether that violence is directed at police or anyone else. Not a single one. You are tired of the hate all around yet you label those who disagree with you as apologists. Is that an affectionate term for you? You saw a video. Did you check the accuracy of that video? You know like the video showing a protester beating a cop in Charlottesville that actually was from a protest in Greece.

I am a registered Republican from a red county. Cannot say that I agree with much I am seeing from our Republican leadership these days, nationally or locally. When I last renewed my license, I switched parties-mostly pertaining to local primary issues. Regardless of party affiliation, from where I stand, I see a whole lot more hate coming form the right than I do the left. I will agree with you on one thing-Hate is poison.

I haven't once contradicted myself, I never said anyone here condoned it outside of a couple of BLM apologists who stated that the founders didn't believe in violence. Watch the videos again, lol, and if you like I can post links of one of the BLM founders calling for violence, and making racially-aggressive comments.

Ps, glad you're a Republican; that means nothing to me or this convo.
 

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I see it from both sides, but couldnt say I see
more hate from the right. I still say ALL LIVES MATTER because until we can agree to that POV I do not believe there is a realistic chance of civil dialogue.
It's a lie that all lives matter. In order to fix that, we have to address the specific lives where society has fallen short of valuing them. Overwhelmingly, that's Black people.
When you say "all lives matter," you're maintaining the status quo in which Black lives don't matter.
 
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I just saw another video of BLM chanting 'die Pigs die'
No, you didn't. You saw a march for a specific cause where BLM participated and some people who also attended chanted awful, disrespectful things about LEO. BLM has denounced violence consistently and no violence has ever been accurately attributed to their organization.
 

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It's a lie that all lives matter. In order to fix that, we have to address the specific lives where society has fallen short of valuing them. Overwhelmingly, that's Black people.
When you say "all lives matter," you're maintaining the status quo in which Black lives don't matter.

Congrats, that's the most idiotic post I've read all week. Kudos to you!

#apologist
 

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No, you didn't. You saw a march for a specific cause where BLM participated and some people who also attended chanted awful, disrespectful things about LEO. BLM has denounced violence consistently and no violence has ever been accurately attributed to their organization.

So you were there? Were you in Baltimore when I was there? Watching their leaders call for cops to be murdered? What street/area were you in?
 
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Oh, and congrats, OP, on cherry-picking this sepcific Jim Brown opinion. Now you can claim you took something a Black man said about society seriously.

You were in St Paul too? Man, you must rack up the airline miles....

 

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I just.....the idiocy continues. I'm not a Trump supporter, but comparing him to Hitler, and man who murdered millions of Jews? This has to be a sick joke.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20235...m_content=082517-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
Yeah, b/c no one has ever done that before.


Never.

How dare those stinkin' lib'ruls...

Surely you would have condemned such talk any other time you heard it, right, socal?
 

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It's a lie that all lives matter. In order to fix that, we have to address the specific lives where society has fallen short of valuing them. Overwhelmingly, that's Black people.
When you say "all lives matter," you're maintaining the status quo in which Black lives don't matter.
Datt, I really wish you would put the chalkboard away and quit keeping score. Rights right and wrong is wrong. If a white guy does something bad to a black guy, he's wrong and should be punished. The same if the situation is reversed. Treat people the way you want to be treated.
Blacks were treated bad years ago, and there's nothing we can do about what happened back before you and I were born. Many are treated bad to this day, but so are a lot of people. I'm sorry but Hart is right, All Lives Matter.
Please get off your soap box, your act away from talk about Duke Basketball is to me nothing short of confrontational
 

hart2chesson

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It's a lie that all lives matter. In order to fix that, we have to address the specific lives where society has fallen short of valuing them. Overwhelmingly, that's Black people.
When you say "all lives matter," you're maintaining the status quo in which Black lives don't matter.

"A lie that all lives matter???" Yep So Cal truly has your post labeled correctly.....You are good entertaiment though datt, never know what will come out of you next.....Get a cane and work a carnival man! OFC
 

hart2chesson

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Datt, I really wish you would put the chalkboard away and quit keeping score. Rights right and wrong is wrong. If a white guy does something bad to a black guy, he's wrong and should be punished. The same if the situation is reversed. Treat people the way you want to be treated.
Blacks were treated bad years ago, and there's nothing we can do about what happened back before you and I were born. Many are treated bad to this day, but so are a lot of people. I'm sorry but Hart is right, All Lives Matter.
Please get off your soap box, your act away from talk about Duke Basketball is to me nothing short of confrontational

Mac I think he really ENJOYS confrontation...OFC
 
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Datt, I really wish you would put the chalkboard away and quit keeping score. Rights right and wrong is wrong. If a white guy does something bad to a black guy, he's wrong and should be punished. The same if the situation is reversed. Treat people the way you want to be treated.
Blacks were treated bad years ago, and there's nothing we can do about what happened back before you and I were born. Many are treated bad to this day, but so are a lot of people. I'm sorry but Hart is right, All Lives Matter.
Please get off your soap box, your act away from talk about Duke Basketball is to me nothing short of confrontational
You're talking about one-on-one encounters. I'm talking about society.

hart and you are dangerously, negligently wrong. Black people are still treated terribly today, and when you gloss that over w/ "all lives matter," you are a liar and you help maintain that inequity.

If you're perfectly fine w/ it when people w/ whom you agree rant caustically about how awful some group is for political reasons, you're a hypocrite for taking me to task for my so-called soapbox.
 

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You're talking about one-on-one encounters. I'm talking about society.

hart and you are dangerously, negligently wrong. Black people are still treated terribly today, and when you gloss that over w/ "all lives matter," you are a liar and you help maintain that inequity.

If you're perfectly fine w/ it when people w/ whom you agree rant caustically about how awful some group is for political reasons, you're a hypocrite for taking me to task for my so-called soapbox.
Please the next time you're outside, wear a hat
 

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Mac I think he really ENJOYS confrontation...OFC
I believe in speaking truthfully. It seems like you want an echo chamber where everyone condemns BLM based on lies and anyone who disagrees is the confrontational one, completely responsible for all the division in the world today.
 
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