Enforcement Arm with Teeth is Coming

[satnom]

Bye Bye NCAA infractions committee. Hello College Sports Commission with CEO to dole out punishments. What’s the point of having rules when people are not scared of breaking them? Along with comp for players, repercussions for breaking rules are good for college athletics.

How proposed CEO could dole out punishments in college sports

A decision on the House case is expected as soon as this week and could come with enforcement changes.

www.espn.com

A new dawn for college sports post House settlement.

GO RU

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[NickRU714]

I'll believe it when I see it.

How exactly is this setup going to make any difference.
The power conferences are going to pick and then supervise the enforcement of rules?
No way the power conferences get preferential treatment........

"The CEO's hire is expected to come quickly after the House settlement is finalized and has been spearheaded by the Power 4 commissioners from the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 and ACC. "

"The CEO is expected to report to a board, which is expected to include the power conference commissioners."

 

[NickRU714]

This is arguably a worse setup than the NCAA.

I don't think college athletics understands how the standard 3 lines of defense works in operational control.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

This enforcement arm doesn't have any independence. We'll just see more of the same selective enforcement BS that we've seen from the NCAA for decades.

 

[mosito]

Ross Dellenger Tweet




Schools might get evicted?

 

[satnom]

Ross Dellenger Tweet




Schools might get evicted?

States like Tenn are trying to come out in front by passing state laws against over reaching powers that could cause schools to be suspended from play or fined. States that are coming out against tell you all you need to know about how schools in those states try to conduct college business in the shadows.

Power conferences working on contract to bind schools to new enforcement rules, with strict punishments

In a stunning move, the four power conferences have drafted a contract that would bind schools to new enforcement rules and require them to waive the right to sue over decisions, sources tell Yahoo Sports.

sports.yahoo.com

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[bac2therac]

Good luck

I don't see it working

 

[bac2therac]

Ross Dellenger Tweet




Schools might get evicted?

Lol..will never happen

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

I don't see schools waiving the right to sue and agreeing to be bound by any ruling against them.

 

[mosito]

Well one of the comments is that schools might choose not to schedule them.

At the moment, Alabama does have any pro NIL rules. If TN gets dinged for Pay for Play... And it is egregious. Is it possible that Batman chooses not to play TN in a game.

If 80-90% of the teams stop playing the "cheaters", will it work?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

How exactly is this setup going to make any difference.
The power conferences are going to pick and then supervise the enforcement of rules?
No way the power conferences get preferential treatment........

"The CEO's hire is expected to come quickly after the House settlement is finalized and has been spearheaded by the Power 4 commissioners from the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 and ACC. "

"The CEO is expected to report to a board, which is expected to include the power conference commissioners."

Because the writing was on the wall from the start. It all circles back to one question. Who pushed for Deloitte and why? Here’s a hint, it wasn’t the NCAA. Here’s another hint, it wasn’t the sugar daddy programs that lack national followings (SMU, Miami, etc.)

The blue blood programs always call the shots and an indefinite wild Wild West future for college football doesn’t suit their interests. OSU, ND, Alabama, etc. - how do they differentiate themselves best? It’s their rich history and national relevance that set them apart. Their have money, but that doesn’t mean they like the idea of having to pay 20 fold more to outbid Miami’s sugar daddies in order to remain on top. For the blue bloods, letting the chips fall as they will with an established cap that’s legit far better serves their interest. This has been the light at the end of the tunnel for us all along.

So long as the cap is real, Rutgers will likely be able to (eventually) compete relatively similarly to the way we did before NIL. Pay for play resources will be limited with everyone on the same playing field. The transfer market would naturally correct itself into more alignment with NIL’s original intent because that’s how legit 3rd party valuations would have to work. A NIL deal for a 2 year developmental player who breaks through the starting BB roster at Rutgers could be justified at Jersey Mikes. It will not be justifiable for a random Miami tire company or what have you. The blue bloods are the choice destinations and will continue to come out on top once again. But the sugar daddy teams that are otherwise irrelevant will fall back in their holes. That’s the goal of all this IMO.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Well one of the comments is that schools might choose not to schedule them.

At the moment, Alabama does have any pro NIL rules. If TN gets dinged for Pay for Play... And it is egregious. Is it possible that Batman chooses not to play TN in a game.

If 80-90% of the teams stop playing the "cheaters", will it work?

I don't think you can choose not to play a conference opponent.

 

[24Babybull]

They would need an Anti-Trust Exemption (US Congress) or the players need to become Employees and have Collective Bargaining.

 

[UMRU]

The power 4 conference football teams have over 7,000 players. If oversight is extended to all DI athletes, the number grows to about 200,000 athletes spread across over more than 300 schools.

How big a "police" force is needed to confirm that rules are not being broken?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I don't see schools waiving the right to sue and agreeing to be bound by any ruling against them.

Why not? Basically - the blue bloods pushing this would be agreeing that every school gets the same max amount of money to give out separate from the real deals that kids like Dylan and Ace get directly from Nike and such regardless of which school they attend. Most of the Dylan / Ace types will, as always go to them. Very few will look at places like Miami because Miami no longer has more money to offer. That’s what they want. The blue bloods don’t need to outbid. Then as a side bar down the road there would be small, local mom and pop deal opportunities for kids who develop in programs and build a relationship with a local community.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Oh yeah - it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if magically an unlucky team or two are made an example with NCAA sanctions (or the equivalent of the NCAA ceases to exist at some point). Cheating has gone on forever, but in the new world there is now at least a sniff of a vision for less incentive to do it, from a recruit’s perspective. Back in the days of duffle bags of cash quietly exchanging hands and mommas getting cars - cheating was a means of providing for families for these kids. Don’t be stupid. Take the money quietly and hope you don’t get caught. In the new world - that same player is collecting a nice annual salary for 4 years legitimately. Does that kid really want to risk losing that? One example would be all it would take to make the answer a resounding no IMO.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

The power 4 conference football teams have over 7,000 players. If oversight is extended to all DI athletes, the number grows to about 200,000 athletes spread across over more than 300 schools.

How big a "police" force is needed to confirm that rules are not being broken?

See my post above. The answer is probably far less than you think because unlike in the past, legitimate money is now at stake for these kids if they break the rules. As I said - all it would take is one example of a player getting more than a slap on the wrist. And teams too. They are investing too much money now into their players to risk multi-year bans and such. At least the blue bloods calling the shots. The sugar daddy programs are not in the drivers seat here.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

They would need an Anti-Trust Exemption (US Congress) or the players need to become Employees and have Collective Bargaining.

The blue bloods want this. They will figure out a way to make it happen without needing an exemption. There are a number of options that could be implemented as work arounds.

 

[satnom]

I don't see schools waiving the right to sue and agreeing to be bound by any ruling against them.

Schools like Tenn have a lot more to lose if they don’t fall in line with peer schools in conference and across the country and try to make a mockery of the enforcement advancements so they can continue to run amok without supervision.

I agree that the Texas, Bama and Floridas of the world will just say “Don’t schedule them, fine them or just kick them out of the club”. This “I can do what I want” and “You can’t do anything about it” behavior must get rooted out of collegiate sports.

GO RU

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

I'll believe it when I see it.

I second that.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I second that.

Normally - I agree completely but this situation is somewhat unique. The blue blood programs have truly been thrust into a situation where they are being forced to pay exponentially more than they ever had to in order to get the same result.

 

[24Babybull]

The blue bloods want this. They will figure out a way to make it happen without needing an exemption. There are a number of options that could be implemented as work arounds.

Like I said there is no getting around the Sherman Anti Trust Act if they are seeking a Salary Cap without an Exemption or Collective Bargaining. They will lose every time in Court.

The Sherman Antitrust Act generally prohibits monopolies and restraints of trade, including in the sports industry. However, the Act's application in sports is often subject to the "non-statutory labor exemption" and the "rule of reason" test. While salary caps are generally viewed as restraints of trade, the specific application of antitrust law to sports salary caps depends on the unique characteristics of each league and its collective bargaining agreement (CBA).

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Because the writing was on the wall from the start. It all circles back to one question. Who pushed for Deloitte and why? Here’s a hint, it wasn’t the NCAA. Here’s another hint, it wasn’t the sugar daddy programs that lack national followings (SMU, Miami, etc.)

The blue blood programs always call the shots and an indefinite wild Wild West future for college football doesn’t suit their interests. OSU, ND, Alabama, etc. - how do they differentiate themselves best? It’s their rich history and national relevance that set them apart. Their have money, but that doesn’t mean they like the idea of having to pay 20 fold more to outbid Miami’s sugar daddies in order to remain on top. For the blue bloods, letting the chips fall as they will with an established cap that’s legit far better serves their interest. This has been the light at the end of the tunnel for us all along.

So long as the cap is real, Rutgers will likely be able to (eventually) compete relatively similarly to the way we did before NIL. Pay for play resources will be limited with everyone on the same playing field. The transfer market would naturally correct itself into more alignment with NIL’s original intent because that’s how legit 3rd party valuations would have to work. A NIL deal for a 2 year developmental player who breaks through the starting BB roster at Rutgers could be justified at Jersey Mikes. It will not be justifiable for a random Miami tire company or what have you. The blue bloods are the choice destinations and will continue to come out on top once again. But the sugar daddy teams that are otherwise irrelevant will fall back in their holes. That’s the goal of all this IMO.

I don’t share your confidence that much is going to change. I think this is all show so people can feel good about themselves. Ohio State paid $20M+ in NIL last year. That’s more than anyone else, and it’s hard for me to see them giving up that advantage. If the new system isn’t to their liking, they’ll just go back to paying kids under the table.

How is Deloitte going to decide how much is too much? If Lifewallet guy at Miami wants to pay a recruit $5M to do a few tweets, that’s his prerogative. If this isn’t carefully crafted, the kids will drag everyone right back into court.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

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Like I said there is no getting around the Sherman Anti Trust Act if they are seeking a Salary Cap without an Exemption or Collective Bargaining. They will lose every time in Court.

The Sherman Antitrust Act generally prohibits monopolies and restraints of trade, including in the sports industry. However, the Act's application in sports is often subject to the "non-statutory labor exemption" and the "rule of reason" test. While salary caps are generally viewed as restraints of trade, the specific application of antitrust law to sports salary caps depends on the unique characteristics of each league and its collective bargaining agreement (CBA).

only one part of compensation is cappped. The other is unrestrained, which is how they’ll get around anti trust concerns, imo

 

[satnom]

I don’t share your confidence that much is going to change. I think this is all show so people can feel good about themselves. Ohio State paid $20M+ in NIL last year. That’s more than anyone else, and it’s hard for me to see them giving up that advantage. If the new system isn’t to their liking, they’ll just go back to paying kids under the table.

How is Deloitte going to decide how much is too much? If Lifewallet guy at Miami wants to pay a recruit $5M to do a few tweets, that’s his prerogative. If this isn’t carefully crafted, the kids will drag everyone right back into court.

Ryan Day call’s lack of enforcement biggest problem in college football

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...s-biggest-problems-seth-mclaughlin-is-glad-it

You don’t have to worry about John Ruiz being any type of bankroller for UM anytime soon:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article291102645.html

Bottom line: the top two conferences and the top schools in those conferences want these changes asap. Everyone else will fall in line.

GO RU

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Like I said there is no getting around the Sherman Anti Trust Act if they are seeking a Salary Cap without an Exemption or Collective Bargaining. They will lose every time in Court.

The Sherman Antitrust Act generally prohibits monopolies and restraints of trade, including in the sports industry. However, the Act's application in sports is often subject to the "non-statutory labor exemption" and the "rule of reason" test. While salary caps are generally viewed as restraints of trade, the specific application of antitrust law to sports salary caps depends on the unique characteristics of each league and its collective bargaining agreement (CBA).

They can be student athletes and also employees of some to-be-named new entity with the salary caps. It’s all real semantics. Can be easily done if seeking to avoid court. There are salary caps in pro sport and it could be arranged here. Thats not the obstacle

 

[RUbacker]

How exactly is this setup going to make any difference.
The power conferences are going to pick and then supervise the enforcement of rules?
No way the power conferences get preferential treatment........

"The CEO's hire is expected to come quickly after the House settlement is finalized and has been spearheaded by the Power 4 commissioners from the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 and ACC. "

"The CEO is expected to report to a board, which is expected to include the power conference commissioners."

not good at all

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

I don’t share your confidence that much is going to change. I think this is all show so people can feel good about themselves. Ohio State paid $20M+ in NIL last year. That’s more than anyone else, and it’s hard for me to see them giving up that advantage. If the new system isn’t to their liking, they’ll just go back to paying kids under the table.

How is Deloitte going to decide how much is too much? If Lifewallet guy at Miami wants to pay a recruit $5M to do a few tweets, that’s his prerogative. If this isn’t carefully crafted, the kids will drag everyone right back into court.

Deloitte and the CEO will decide how much is too much based on the complaining of the bluebloods. If a program outside of "The Club" starts having success, the new CEO and his committee will land on them like a ton of bricks, and the exact same behavior by the more established programs will be ignored. If some rich donor to Alabama, Georgia, or Ohio State gives some blue chip kid 5 million for some no show marketing promotion, that will be fine. If all the rich people in NJ got a wild hair up their asses and succeeded in making RU a marquee program by throwing piles of cash at the best players and coaches, Rutgers would feel the teeth of this new enforcement arm in their ***. It would be SMU all over again.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I don’t share your confidence that much is going to change. I think this is all show so people can feel good about themselves. Ohio State paid $20M+ in NIL last year. That’s more than anyone else, and it’s hard for me to see them giving up that advantage. If the new system isn’t to their liking, they’ll just go back to paying kids under the table.

How is Deloitte going to decide how much is too much? If Lifewallet guy at Miami wants to pay a recruit $5M to do a few tweets, that’s his prerogative. If this isn’t carefully crafted, the kids will drag everyone right back into court.

OSU already had the advantage without NIL. Now they just need to pay more it. A lot more. And they realize it could only keep going up and up if them sugar daddies keep funneling in more and more. Again - Deloitte wouldn’t be on the table if OSU and company didn’t want them. And the only logical reason for them to want them is the above theory.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Deloitte and the CEO will decide how much is too much based on the complaining of the bluebloods. If a program outside of "The Club" starts having success, the new CEO and his committee will land on them like a ton of bricks, and the exact same behavior by the more established programs will be ignored. If some rich donor to Alabama, Georgia, or Ohio State gives some blue chip kid 5 million for some no show marketing promotion, that will be fine. If all the rich people in NJ got a wild hair up their asses and succeeded in making RU a marquee program by throwing piles of cash at the best players and coaches, Rutgers would feel the teeth of this new enforcement arm in their ***. It would be SMU all over again.

Yep - this might be true too. But in the end, it’s fine because Rutgers isn’t and will never be SMU. We don’t have that kind of sugar daddy wealth.

Your right - in all likelihood, Deloitte has been essentially bought and paid for by the blue bloods behind the scenes in legal fashion. There will be some legitimate basis to conclude that any deal that needs to get cleared for one of the “have” programs calling the shots gets done. For the handful of blue bloods with rich histories and true national followings, it won’t be that hard to manufacture the basis needed. It’s pretty simple math really. A commercial appearance with an endorsement for a sports product from a player who plays for ND, Alabama, etc. has business purpose and value. The same thing for a player who is going to play for SMU does not because nobody cares about that team except their own fans.

In the end - my prediction is that everything will basically normalize such that the same handful of teams who always had the advantage will take full on grip of it all again. The SMU and Miami types will be cut out. Everyone will have the cap allotment of buying power which the blue bloods will use to pay for recruits, portal additions and, in general, new faces where it’s harder to make a direct tie to the program to justify a big third party deal. Their stars will get big third party deals that clear the clearinghouse legitimately.

For this reason - I think football will be fine. The bigger concern IMO is for basketball and a potential edge programs like VCU may have in that their allocation cap for BB will be so much higher than ours. If it becomes enough of an issue that it impacts the blue bloods, it wouldn’t shock me to see per sport spending limits implemented too eventually.

 

[24Babybull]

-LBi Software and accounting firm Deloitte have been lined up to handle salary cap management and to manage the clearinghouse for name, image and likeness.
The first time a kid's NIL Deal gets denied by Deloitte he will be in Court the next day Suing for the cash.

Tennessee's NIL law, passed in April 2022 and amended in 2024, allows college athletes to earn compensation for their name, image, and likeness (NIL). The law shields Tennessee schools from potential lawsuits by athletes and collectives unhappy with NCAA rules, and allows universities to pay players as much as they want, potentially working on their own terms. The law also provides protection against NCAA penalties for circumventing NCAA rules.


Also some states have already passed laws on NIL like Tennessee, so their going to ask schools to break their own State Laws to join this thing?

 

[satnom]

-LBi Software and accounting firm Deloitte have been lined up to handle salary cap management and to manage the clearinghouse for name, image and likeness.
The first time a kid's NIL Deal gets denied by Deloitte he will be in Court the next day Suing for the cash.

Tennessee's NIL law, passed in April 2022 and amended in 2024, allows college athletes to earn compensation for their name, image, and likeness (NIL). The law shields Tennessee schools from potential lawsuits by athletes and collectives unhappy with NCAA rules, and allows universities to pay players as much as they want, potentially working on their own terms. The law also provides protection against NCAA penalties for circumventing NCAA rules.


Also some states have already passed laws on NIL like Tennessee, so their going to ask schools to break their own State Laws to join this thing?

Nope. Just wish them the best of luck playing Carson Newman and Austin Peay instead of schools in the SEC.

GO RU

 

[24Babybull]

Think the lawsuits have only just begun - should be interesting the next few years.