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Pete Rose, 'Shoeless' Joe Jackson among players reinstated by MLB
The all-time hit king and Jackson -- both longtime baseball pariahs stained by gambling, seen by MLB as the game's mortal sin -- are now presumably eligible for election into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown.
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Tells me Ohtani is guilty. 
Lifetime ban ends at death
I'm glad Shoeless Joe is being given a chance to be in Cooperstown
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AI Overview
While "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and his teammates were acquitted in a criminal trial of their involvement in the Black Sox Scandal of the 1919 World Series, baseball's Commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, still banned them from professional baseball. This occurred despite the jury's decision and the lack of a full investigation by Landis.
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I'm glad Shoeless Joe is being given a chance to be in Cooperstown
google search found this
AI Overview
While "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and his teammates were acquitted in a criminal trial of their involvement in the Black Sox Scandal of the 1919 World Series, baseball's Commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, still banned them from professional baseball. This occurred despite the jury's decision and the lack of a full investigation by Landis.
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- The Accusations:
Joe Jackson, along with seven other White Sox players, were accused of conspiring with gamblers to throw the 1919 World Series.
- The Trial:
A Chicago jury acquitted the players in 1921.
- Landis's Ban:
Despite the acquittal, baseball Commissioner Landis imposed a lifetime ban on all eight players, claiming he would not allow players involved in fixing games to play professional baseball, regardless of the jury's verdict.
- The Debate:
The Black Sox Scandal and the ensuing ban have been a subject of ongoing debate and discussion, with some arguing that Jackson was innocent or that the ban was unjust
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Finally:
-Pete Rose, Major League Baseball's all-time hits leader, has been posthumously reinstated by Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred, the league announced Tuesday.
-Shoeless Joe Jackson, who was banned for the Chicago Black Sox scandal, and 15 other late players have also been reinstated.
-Pete Rose, Major League Baseball's all-time hits leader, has been posthumously reinstated by Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred, the league announced Tuesday.
-Shoeless Joe Jackson, who was banned for the Chicago Black Sox scandal, and 15 other late players have also been reinstated.
Forget baseball- could you imagine if BB ever really wanted to open half an eye toward Jordan....
My take on the WhiteSox is that these guys didn't really want to do it but it really was that bad back in those days.
rose- hmmmm- he made his bed. but now that sports have become gamble first and integrity last and that is supported by every sports league- then he has to go in.
Ohtani- yep, he is the one forcing this to happen. Mixture of Jordan/Rose...There is zero chance his handler was taking 10's of millions from him to gamble and never noticed. But, he is too big of a money maker to even let it get to a 3rd party to look at
My take on the WhiteSox is that these guys didn't really want to do it but it really was that bad back in those days.
rose- hmmmm- he made his bed. but now that sports have become gamble first and integrity last and that is supported by every sports league- then he has to go in.
Ohtani- yep, he is the one forcing this to happen. Mixture of Jordan/Rose...There is zero chance his handler was taking 10's of millions from him to gamble and never noticed. But, he is too big of a money maker to even let it get to a 3rd party to look at
Some say THAT was the reason he "retired" and went to play Baseball.
Belle not being in the HOF is the biggest disgrace of them all (but he was mean to reporters! LOL).
None of those gentlemen will be voted in next vote, or any vote for that matter.
Bonds, Clemens, and Belle are off the ballot. Their fate is now up to the Current Era Committee, consisting of 16 voters, with 12 votes needed for induction. This group will meet in December 2025, for possible induction in 2026.
Rose and Jackson will be voted on by the Classic Era Committee, also 16 votes with 12 needed for induction. However, that committee isn't scheduled to meet again until 2027.
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Rose did not receive a lifetime ban. He received a permanent ban, which presumably would outlive him, until it didn't.
I think we all know the reason why Rose's ban was lifted. I will leave it unsaid, lest this thread also receive a permanent ban.
Terrible decision. Hopefully Rose never gets voted in.
Rose's mistake as a manager forced him to pay a big price. Now that he's passed on, I'd like to see him get in for his incredible accomplishments as a player. I'd be shocked if I saw anyone even approach what he did in my lifetime. For reference, Derek Jeter needed another 4 seasons at an elite level to reach Rose.
It's up to the Veterans Committee now to decide their fate, Manfred just made Rose and Shoeless along with all the banned Black Soxs eligible for the vote
I feel if Rose or Jackson get in the other will at the same time or soon afterwards.
Then the steroid era players will start being voted in
I believe I heard recently that if you take away Bond’s 7 MVP years he would still have 440 HR and 359 SBs. That is crazy
Agreed. One of the all time scumbags in baseball.
because he bet on the games? Yes, it was against the rules but by all accounts he never bet on his team to lose. I don't care if he gets in or not but an all time scumbag seems a bit harsh. He was basically the Ted Williams of our lifetime when it comes to the game.
He should be in the HOF just for being mean to reporters as we know 95% are fake anyway
TY Cobb was a scumbag also as were many others. HOF should be based on “ on field” activity!
No they aren’t . That is exactly why he went to play baseball. NBA didn’t want to have to suspend him for gambling
I don't care about Rose at all.
All the sports leagues are dollar thots and over their eyeballs in gambling money
All the sports leagues are dollar thots and over their eyeballs in gambling money
As it was explained to me by a former professional ballplayer, Rose's betting on games as a manager, even to win, does a great deal to compromise the integrity of the game. Yes, he would want to win that game -- so much so that he may make moves that have a detrimental effect on his own team in the next game. It's a snowball effect.
Aside from that -- and he was unquestionably a great player whose hustle I used as an example when I coached baseball -- Rose was also a convicted felon who raped a child, and was always, consistently unrepentant for any of it. The Hall of Fame was never missing him.
had no idea about the child rape conviction! makes sense then as does your other explanation on game situations
As far as Rose is concerned what he did as a player should get him in. The betting and rule breaking as a Manager has no relevance to what he did on the field as a player. If he ever gets in it will be as a player NOT as a manager voted in.
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The child rape was only one thing, he was a horrible father and husband. Had to be forced to support them.
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The baseball writers and HOF committee should be absolutely ASHAMED of themselves. If they were going to put Pete in, they should have done it when he was alive.
Waiting until the year after he died to do this when they know how much it meant to him is an absolute slap in the face. Despicable behavior really. To wait until the man dies to do this…. Genuinely, every person responsible for ensuring this decision didn’t happen until after his death she be told to their face that they failed and should be ashamed of themselves.
It’s so sad for Pete, he deserved to be alive to see this
Waiting until the year after he died to do this when they know how much it meant to him is an absolute slap in the face. Despicable behavior really. To wait until the man dies to do this…. Genuinely, every person responsible for ensuring this decision didn’t happen until after his death she be told to their face that they failed and should be ashamed of themselves.
It’s so sad for Pete, he deserved to be alive to see this
Rickey Henderson raped his sister… Curt Schilling there’s a laundry list of examples of him being one of the worst human’s ever none more despicable than him sharing Tim Wakefield’s diagnosis without consent.
Both are HOF’ers.
Baseball writers are terrible
I believe I heard recently that if you take away Bond’s 7 MVP years he would still have 440 HR and 359 SBs. That is crazy
Bonds was pissed that McGuire & Sosa got all the HR attention so he decided to start juicing.
Allegedly..?
Also there is some indication that Big Papi was juicing - he was rumored to be on the Commissioners List & threatened to Sue over it - so the Media basically shut up about it.
Bonds was pissed that McGuire & Sosa got all the HR attention so he decided to start juicing.
Allegedly..?
Also there is some indication that Big Papi was juicing - he was rumored to be on the Commissioners List & threatened to Sue over it - so the Media basically shut up about it.
The baseball writers and HOF committees had nothing to do with anything. They could not have voted Rose in the HOF even if they wanted to. He was under a permanent ban imposed by MLB.
May I assume you knew that?
Went back to dig up this article.......Thought I would drop it in here since various athletes are being discussed.
https://www.gq.com/story/worst-athletes-to-root-for
https://www.gq.com/story/worst-athletes-to-root-for
and while that may be true it has nothing to do with the hall of fame. Ray Lewis actually murdered someone and is in the NFL HOF. His punishment was not getting in while alive. It doesn't really matter if he gets in now or not. If the HOF votes him in, they can put something up there about his history on gambling, and ban, make it part of his exhibit.
I guess this is one guy who will not be voting for Rose, seems a little too upset about the whole thing.
No you shouldn’t assume at all.
I don’t know who makes these decisions but if whoever is responsible purposely waited until Pete died to do this they should be ashamed of themselves. If they were gonna keep him banned cool! At least that’s consistent.
To make this announcement not even 9 months following his death makes it difficult for me to believe it was coincidental. If that’s Rob Manfred than Rob Manfred is a terrible human.
That said though, the baseball writers and HOF committee are an absolute embarrassment yes but that goes so far beyond Pete Rose