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Friends son gets laid off from Major Telecom firm in NJ due to a force reduction.

He's an Engineer with a Masters in EE.

Kids an Eagle Scout great all around extremely bright personable etc.

Can't find a job in NJ. is the economy really this bad?

Anyone have any contacts would be appreciated...
 
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RUShea

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My wife was out of work for 13 months. Awful job market. Applied to over 500 jobs. Lots of auto AI rejections. Many were immediately after applying, so a human clearly never looked at it. It was a really frustrating and demoralizing process but mercifully she just got a job last week, putting the saga to an end. I don't envy anyone looking for work right now.
 

newell138

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Unfortunately, it’s terrible. Tariffs are making it worse. Companies have stopped their projects due to the uncertainty. Lots of people out of work on LinkedIn. It’s going to be a while.
So you are saying companies stopped hiring because of Tariffs? Where are you seeing this happening? I wouldn't want to work for any company that stopped their projects based on that but since you made it up, its irrelevant.
 
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newell138

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Yeah because tariffs just started a week ago.

The ones against our mortal enemies Canada and Mexico began long before.

But that's OK, because not like we need lumber to build homes. No housing shortage. And certainly don't need car parts because prices are so low.

Though no tariffs on our best pals Russia and Belarus. Maybe folks can work in potash until we finally show Vietnam what's what and get those shoe making jobs right here in the USA.
 

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Yeah because tariffs just started a week ago.

The ones against our mortal enemies Canada and Mexico began long before.

But that's OK, because not like we need lumber to build homes. No housing shortage. And certainly don't need car parts because prices are so low.

Though no tariffs on our best pals Russia and Belarus. Maybe folks can work in potash until we finally show Vietnam what's what and get those shoe making jobs right here in the USA.
Stop running out terrible candidates, and maybe we wouldn’t have to worry about these big bad tariffs
 
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The overall rate of employment is about half of what it was during the 09 recession and is considered to be in a healthy range. That said the overall rate does not reflect what is happening for each skill.

If you want to help your friends kid, I would edit your post to remove some commentary or this thread is headed to the CE board.
 
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It’s way to soon to draw any sort of conclusion about the tariff policies and their impacts on corporate hiring strategy (and thus the job market).

But unemployment is at a very healthy level. Turnover in most large national or multi-national organizations is low. That alone would suggest that jobs aren’t as readily available as they might be in different economic ebbs & flows.

Obviously this is all very industry specific.
 
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So you are saying companies stopped hiring because of Tariffs? Where are you seeing this happening? I wouldn't want to work for any company that stopped their projects based on that but since you made it up, its irrelevant.
Trump started his Tariffs nonsense Jan 26th. On Feb 1st, he announced a 30 day pause. The bottomline is, everyone is maintaining, no one is initiating new projects, and there are a ton of people looking for work on LinkedIn.

Many believe we are headed towards a recession.
Jamie Dimon says a recession is a likely outcome from the tariff turmoil


 
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Friends son gets laid off from Major Telecom firm in NJ due to a force reduction.

He's an Engineer with a Masters in EE.

Kids an Eagle Scout great all around extremely bright personable etc.

Can't find a job in NJ. is the economy really this bad?

Anyone have any contacts would be appreciated...

I am in the same boat......Most likely the same company. They said I have to move to Atlanta or Dallas or lose my job, moving is not an option for me so it looks like I will be on the street mid to late June.
 

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Trump started his Tariffs nonsense Jan 26th. On Feb 1st, he announced a 30 day pause. The bottomline is, everyone is maintaining, no one is initiating new projects, and there are a ton of people looking for work on LinkedIn.

Many believe we are headed towards a recession.
Jamie Dimon says a recession is a likely outcome from the tariff turmoil

This coming from a guy who said, during their heyday, that we would "hammer USC"
Please, for the love of God, stick to fundraising and the Fieldhouse dream
 
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My wife was out of work for 13 months. Awful job market. Applied to over 500 jobs. Lots of auto AI rejections. Many were immediately after applying, so a human clearly never looked at it. It was a really frustrating and demoralizing process but mercifully she just got a job last week, putting the saga to an end. I don't envy anyone looking for work right now.
For those who are looking, you need to customize your resume for each job, and make sure you include the keywords listed in the job posting, especially as many of the required skills that you have. Your resume should have your accomplishments quantified because anyone can do tasks. And your resume MUST be error free. These are some things that will get your resume past the AI Filters, otherwise it’s an automatic kick out.
 
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Anybody in financial services? I’ve been looking for work for more than 6 months. Worked in credit, can get into more specifics in PM..thanks
 

newell138

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Trump started his Tariffs nonsense Jan 26th. On Feb 1st, he announced a 30 day pause. The bottomline is, everyone is maintaining, no one is initiating new projects, and there are a ton of people looking for work on LinkedIn.

Many believe we are headed towards a recession.
Jamie Dimon says a recession is a likely outcome from the tariff turmoil


LinkedIn lol. It’s become another social media cesspool. You have no evidence the tariffs are impacting anything to do with hiring or new projects. If anything it’s helping create more jobs.
 

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So you are saying companies stopped hiring because of Tariffs? Where are you seeing this happening? I wouldn't want to work for any company that stopped their projects based on that but since you made it up, its irrelevant.



In seriousness, things on the tech side have been relatively quiet going back to last fall. Given that timing, don't think tariffs has anything to do with it. To the OP, assuming leaving NJ is not an option? Our oldest took a software engineering job near Madison, WI and is loving life out there. Cost of housing is much lower and getting East Coast pay.
 
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Anybody in financial services? I’ve been looking for work for more than 6 months. Worked in credit, can get into more specifics in PM..thanks

Sorry to hear that. Banks are tightening their belts and reducing their risks. Contractors are being let go. AI is being used to streamline all facets of banking operations .

My advice to you is to make sure your LinkedIn profile is on point, network, network, network. I would not be choosy in this environment. Take whatever you can get now, and continue looking for a job in credit. It’s probably going to get worse before it gets better.
 

Knight Shift

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From your linked article:

"About 25% of CFOs say they have cut their 2025 hiring plans due to tariffs, according to the survey, which was conducted Feb. 18 to March 7. About 70% said trade policy will have no change to their hiring plans, only 6% reported an increase."

Meanwhile, last years' survey in 2024 when there was a different person in charge:

"In fact, 56% of the CFOs indicated they have been slowing down hiring and investments and another 13% have been freezing these expansions; in contrast, only 25% have stuck to plan and 6% have doubled down on investment and hiring plans."

Some CFOs affirmed that their sectors, such as technology, remained soft. “We’re facing deferred spending and projects,” one said. “Our clients have more of a focus on short-term ROI. That’s been for a year or more. Besides the public sector, spending in tech has been challenging. We’ve pulled back on headcount after significant hiring post-pandemic. We’re in a mode now to hold the line, drive efficiencies and scale opportunities to begin to hire a bit more for the turn of the cycle.”



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yesrutgers01

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I am in Technical Staffing - in regard to Tariffs- It is just the latest in a long line of things that have hurt the job market.

It started in early 2024 as it was an election year. Those projects that used to happen in the first Qtr were put on hold to see who and what candidates were. Then, you hit the typical summer slow down. 3rd qtr is usually a hotbed of technical projects happening but the election was what we heard from every organization we spoke to. So many were holding off until the election happened.
Election happened and regardless of your political view- no one had any idea how things were going to shake out. So- they were still holding off on projects. And now, the latest with Tariffs.
 

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I am in the same boat......Most likely the same company. They said I have to move to Atlanta or Dallas or lose my job, moving is not an option for me so it looks like I will be on the street mid to late June.
yep i know both of those hubs for same Telecom Company . They're moving most of their operations to Dallas. I did 29 years there and got packaged out 2. 5 years ago. Very Happy in retirement . They have been trimming staff every 6 months from what i hear.
 
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Son is an engineer (civil) only a couple years in with a company you all know in NJ providing a service we all need.

Has his MSB, Masters in Business for STEM folks who didn’t have any prior business type classes.

* Company will pay for a MBA in certain concentrations that are job related or could be, not Finance…which he is interested in. Would owe them 2yrs after or has to pay them back for the degree.

* I say, take them up on that offer. RU has already said they would waive GRE or GMAT since he already has a Masters.

* I’m correct as a dad to push this, right? A free RU MBA. 🙂
 
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Is this a new phenomenon ? Seems layoffs have occurred in 70’s’ 80’s 90’s 2000’s and now again. Maybe just maybe companies are realizing their employee bloat and not tariffs are the reason? Many here who are totally against these tariffs prefer the country going bankrupt? Your 401k’s won’t be worth two sh—-ts in that scenario regardless. Or do you not subscribe to the thinking that the USA has been screwed over by other countries because those in charge were basically happy just rolling along? Good Luck … the guy with the Engineering degrees will be just fine. It is one field where jobs will still be in demand.
 
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From your linked article:

"About 25% of CFOs say they have cut their 2025 hiring plans due to tariffs, according to the survey, which was conducted Feb. 18 to March 7. About 70% said trade policy will have no change to their hiring plans, only 6% reported an increase."

Meanwhile, last years' survey in 2024 when there was a different person in charge:

"In fact, 56% of the CFOs indicated they have been slowing down hiring and investments and another 13% have been freezing these expansions; in contrast, only 25% have stuck to plan and 6% have doubled down on investment and hiring plans."

Some CFOs affirmed that their sectors, such as technology, remained soft. “We’re facing deferred spending and projects,” one said. “Our clients have more of a focus on short-term ROI. That’s been for a year or more. Besides the public sector, spending in tech has been challenging. We’ve pulled back on headcount after significant hiring post-pandemic. We’re in a mode now to hold the line, drive efficiencies and scale opportunities to begin to hire a bit more for the turn of the cycle.”



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I haven’t felt this negative about the U.S. economy and Rutgers basketball in a very long time:

Ray Dalio, the billionaire founder of the world’s largest hedge fund, Bridgewater Associates, saidin a Sunday interview with NBC News: “Right now we are at a decision-making point and very close to a recession, and I’m worried about something worse than a recession if this isn’t handled well.”

Lawrence Summers, the former Treasury Secretary during President Bill Clinton’s term, said in a Monday editorial podcast in The New York Times he believes it’s “six in 10 or better that a recession will start this year,” explaining: “The pause is certainly better than if we had simply charged along on the catastrophic path that we’re on, but anybody who thinks the genie is back in the bottle and that it’s all now OK should reconsider their position.”

Last week, Summers predicted such a downturn would leave an additional 2 million Americans unemployed, a more than 28% increase from the 7.1 million unemployed Americans in March, and a $5,000 or greater decline in annual household income.

 

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Sorry to hear that. Banks are tightening their belts and reducing their risks. Contractors are being let go. AI is being used to streamline all facets of banking operations .

My advice to you is to make sure your LinkedIn profile is on point, network, network, network. I would not be choosy in this environment. Take whatever you can get now, and continue looking for a job in credit. It’s probably going to get worse before it gets better.
Banks started getting rid of people over a year ago and if had nothing to do with tariffs or the current president.
 

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I haven’t felt this negative about the U.S. economy and Rutgers basketball in a very long time:

Ray Dalio, the billionaire founder of the world’s largest hedge fund, Bridgewater Associates, saidin a Sunday interview with NBC News: “Right now we are at a decision-making point and very close to a recession, and I’m worried about something worse than a recession if this isn’t handled well.”

Lawrence Summers, the former Treasury Secretary during President Bill Clinton’s term, said in a Monday editorial podcast in The New York Times he believes it’s “six in 10 or better that a recession will start this year,” explaining: “The pause is certainly better than if we had simply charged along on the catastrophic path that we’re on, but anybody who thinks the genie is back in the bottle and that it’s all now OK should reconsider their position.”

Last week, Summers predicted such a downturn would leave an additional 2 million Americans unemployed, a more than 28% increase from the 7.1 million unemployed Americans in March, and a $5,000 or greater decline in annual household income.

Have a drink, Al
Things have been messed up for awhile

It started during Covid and has progressively gotten worse

We’re long overdue for a correction, and nobody knows (least of all you nor I) how tarriffs will / won’t work long term

Btw - bball has largely sucked for the past 45 years. Sans the 6/7 tourney appearances and Q going off @ the Garden, its been dog ****
 

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Not sure if any of you have been to the Dallas area in the past few years but it’s basically a giant job generating machine. Drive from the airport towards Plano Texas. It’ll shock you. Dallas is just one giant job stealing Mecca of northern jobs and tons of foreign entities have huge operations there. It’s wild. It’s not that the job market stinks. It’s that your jobs are going to Dallas, charlotte and Nashville. The JP Morgan building in Plano Texas is enormous. Like scary huge.

I was in charlotte last year and there is a giant Honeywell skyscraper. Yup. The same Honeywell that had jobs on New Jersey. They are now jobs in charlotte.

I live in Pittsburgh and we just lost a corporate headquarters to Dallas and another is trying to leave. Its sucks. Also the Dallas area is garbage, narcissistic consumerism America at its worst. Would never live there.

Charlotte and Nashville I don’t mind.
 
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Not sure if any of you have been to the Dallas area in the past few years but it’s basically a giant job generating machine. Drive from the airport towards Plano Texas. It’ll shock you. Dallas is just one giant job stealing Mecca of northern jobs and tons of foreign entities have huge operations there. It’s wild. It’s not that the job market stinks. It’s that your jobs are going to Dallas, charlotte and Nashville. The JP Morgan building in Plano Texas is enormous. Like scary huge.

I was in charlotte last year and there is a giant Honeywell skyscraper. Yup. The same Honeywell that had jobs on New Jersey. They are now jobs in charlotte.

I live in Pittsburgh and we just lost a corporate headquarters to Dallas and another is trying to leave. Its sucks. Also the Dallas area is garbage, narcissistic consumerism America at its worst. Would never live there.

Charlotte and Nashville I don’t mind.
Yep agree
Charlotte as a city is ok (gone downhill since covid) but surburbs are great

Nashville rocks and great suburbs
Dallas sucks but solid suburbs
 

newell138

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Not sure if any of you have been to the Dallas area in the past few years but it’s basically a giant job generating machine. Drive from the airport towards Plano Texas. It’ll shock you. Dallas is just one giant job stealing Mecca of northern jobs and tons of foreign entities have huge operations there. It’s wild. It’s not that the job market stinks. It’s that your jobs are going to Dallas, charlotte and Nashville. The JP Morgan building in Plano Texas is enormous. Like scary huge.

I was in charlotte last year and there is a giant Honeywell skyscraper. Yup. The same Honeywell that had jobs on New Jersey. They are now jobs in charlotte.

I live in Pittsburgh and we just lost a corporate headquarters to Dallas and another is trying to leave. Its sucks. Also the Dallas area is garbage, narcissistic consumerism America at its worst. Would never live there.

Charlotte and Nashville I don’t mind.
this^^^ NJ is not business friendly at least not now, should be better in 2026. Merck just opened up a huge vaccine facility in NC too on top of the ones we already have down there.

 

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