We’re not done yet

[BillyC80]

I was referring to the OP and bac2therac's assessment.

Explain how it’s toxic to say I’m not giving up on the team until we’re mathematically eliminated from the B1G tournament.

Your view wreaks of toxic pessimism.

 

[bac2therac]

Merrimack is inching closer to becoming a Quad 3 win

 

[fluoxetine]

Merrimack is inching closer to becoming a Quad 3 win

See, we can be .500 in Q 1/2/3.

I'm starting to think 7 seed.

 

[Smols]

OP doesn't give a specific percentage but I don't see anything in his post suggesting the probability is high. Just nonzero.

But let's concede that his post is, in fact, optimism. Why is it toxic?

It's highly unrealistic. Look up the definition.

 

[RRRRUUUU]

ChatGPT:
- If we get 18-20 wins we have a ~25% of making the tournament.
- We have a ~7.5% chance of making the tournament.
- Therefore, we have a ~ 7.5%/25% = 30% chance of winning 18-20 games.

Conclusion:
ChatGPT is ********.


Why do you keep telling me about right now lol? Is there someone, somewhere on Earth, arguing that we currently are on the bubble?

No you are missing the odds that we win the big ten tournament. That alone can account for say 3-4% of the odds. You’re also using the midpoint of those ranges. I would think if you want to use the low end of wins, you lose the low end of the 5-10%

 

[fluoxetine]

It's highly unrealistic.

Well, no, the idea that we have a non-zero chance at a bid is quite realistic.

Look up the definition.

I googled "toxic optimism" and everything I get is about "toxic positivity". According to Wikipedia,

Toxic positivity is a "pressure to stay upbeat no matter how dire one's circumstance is", which may prevent emotional coping by feeling otherwise natural emotions.[2] Toxic positivity happens when people believe that negative thoughts about anything should be avoided. Even in response to events which normally would evoke sadness, such as loss or hardships, positivity is encouraged as a means to cope, but tends to overlook and dismiss true expression.

You will need to do a LOT of work to show that this describes the thread.

 

[rob kight]

As they use to say- the $64,000 question is what happened to the team that almost took down both Alabama and Houston in LV- currently 2 of the top 6 teams in the country???

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

we had this discussion last week and it was brutal...now a week later with 2 more losses its just stupid

We should be focusing discussion on what we need to do to make the BIG tournament for one last “fresh start” with a healthy Dylan. Even without Ogbole, there’s a non-zero chance our stars can get hot at the right time and at least make things interesting.

If Bart is still saying we have a better statistical chance at an At Large bid at this point than the auto bid, his tool should be flushed down the toilet. Beyond the numbers, we can at least hope Dylan will be healthy by the BIG tournament. First have to get in though.

 

[goru7]

As they use to say- the $64,000 question is what happened to the team that almost took down both Alabama and Houston in LV- currently 2 of the top 6 teams in the country???

We had a healthy Dylan who carved up Alabama for 37 points and went downhill and could not be stopped. We got a more consistent Ace against Alabama and Texas A& M . Jeremiah scored 20 against Texas A&am and was our third scorer when Dylan only had 18.
Illness and injuries have derailed Dylan and Jeremiah has taken the worst turn for a worse performance every game. Ace has elevated his overall game but still can have an off shooting night like the Notre Dame game.
The rest of the supporting cast bungled in Vegas and have been mostly terrible since Vegas. Just a little better play , a few. Ore rebounds and less second chance points , a few more shots made by that crew and we are looking at wins against Alabama ,Texas A& M , Indiana , Wisconsin , and Penn State.

 

[rpiseman]

Takes the same amount of thought and energy to be an optimist or a pessimist.

I love Rutgers, I love college basketball, I love our players. They’re like my sons. When my sons were struggling in some way, I did not give up on them, and I never will. Same with our team.

If you were invited into the locker room before the next game, would you tell the team, “Oh brother, you guys suck, just give up already.” Or would you find something they can latch onto, to give them hope and ignite a spark in them?

I choose the latter.

I think I’d just tell them you tried, unfortunately you came to RU and we never seem to capitalize properly on opportunities so the team sucks. I do appreciate the effort.

 

[RuNutz]

Just Win Baby

 

[TommyGunn_rivals157283]

“We’re not done yet” said Captain Kirk in Star Trek III as he blew up the enterprise and got everyone safely to Genesis.
I trust him a helluva a lot more than I trust “Captain Pike.”
If we have trekkers on the board I hope they liked the joke even if they disagree with me.

Dig the Trek reference!

 

[zappaa]

Until we’re mathematically eliminated from the B1G tourney we still have a chance to win our way into the big dance.

Also, I believe finishing 8-3 in the regular season will put us on the bubble. That would require winning our remaining 5 home games plus 3 road games. It can be done.

Has to start with a W at Northwestern.

And we need Dylan at 80% or better, 25 or more productive minutes per game the rest of the way.

Let’s do it.

Hopefully Dylan doesn’t even travel, if he does he shouldn’t play a second.
Practice and prepare your rotations minus him

 

[G- RUnit]

NC State last year.

You never know!

 

[RutgersDom]

Until we’re mathematically eliminated from the B1G tourney we still have a chance to win our way into the big dance.

Also, I believe finishing 8-3 in the regular season will put us on the bubble. That would require winning our remaining 5 home games plus 3 road games. It can be done.

Has to start with a W at Northwestern.

And we need Dylan at 80% or better, 25 or more productive minutes per game the rest of the way.

Let’s do it.

I agree with this, been saying since we were 8-8 we need to go 10-5 the rest of the way....A BIG issue was playing D Harp on Saturday. SHOULD NOT have and continued PT so he can play tonight! I watched him limp through a shoot around. NO WAY should he have played...May have screwed whatever chance we had as I'd be surprised if he played tonight or was really able to help ...BTW, if he's 80% I would SIT HIM tonight as well!!!! We can NOT have any other regressions with him!

 

[RutgersDom]

did 3 conferences land that many teams in the top 100 net last year...have to factor in conference consolidation and different landscape this year. There are at least 6 schools possibly more than have played 10 or more Q1 games currrently. 5-11 in Q1 isnt really a flex

i think there is a less than 3% chance they win the games I just put out there.

and yes these threads are just as bad as the other threads...its totally delusional thinking with no basis of reality..there are no receipts the OP has to say Rutgers is capable of this...the same stuff was posted last year I believe by the OP

What is RUs BIG record in games D Harp was not injured or played with FLU (5 total games and all losses)...Answer: 3-1 That's the receipt...BIG issue now is D Harps foot as he SHOULD NOT have played vs M St Saturday...

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

the type of wins matter....18 in itself does nothing we have gone over this before

RU has no marquee wins right now. They have no non conference games. With all SEC/Big 10 schools in the top 100 and almost all the Big 12, alot of schools will have Q1 wins that are not deserving of a bid. Michigan State would have been a marquee win. Illinois and at Purdue and maybe at Oregon are only truly the only feather in the cap opportunities left. Beating Michigan at home is great because of their solid NET but its not going to be considered that big big win. Beating Iowa, Minnesota, and USC at home and Washington on the road do little to help the resume while losses would torpedo any chance.

So there are your 8 wins right there...your 3 losses would be at Northwestern, at Michigan, at Maryland.


so next 11.....Quad 1 4-3, Quad 2-0, Quad 3 2-0

overall 18-13
Quad 1: 5-11
Quad 2: 5-0
Quad 3: 2-2
Quad 4: 6-0
Quad 1/2/3: 12-13.....HUGE NEGATIVE TO BE BELOW 500 HERE TO ADD ON TO THE NEGATIVE OF NO OUT OF CONFERENCE WIN AND A HORRIFIC LOSS TO KENNESAW STATE

you realize that RU would have to beat Illinois, Michigan, at Purdue and at Oregon for the 18-13 scenario to EVEN BE CONSIDERED AND NOT SCREW UP IN ANY OF THE LESSER GAMES

Why is the OP doing this to himself.

Only path is winning Big Ten Tournament.

 

[Knight Owl]

NC State last year.

You never know!

Is Charles Barkley Jr on campus in New Brunswick?

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

With that field house, we might have had a fighter’s chance, but ….

 

[FIJI'83]

As long as the players keep their grades up and their GPA 3.2 or better me and Coach Pike are good.

 

[ScarletDave]

We’re 1.5 games out of 10th in the Big 18. Top 9 get a bye in the BTT. The fact that some are calling people insane for suggesting that Bubble is even remotely possible, is idiotic. Of course the season is still in front of us

 

[bac2therac]

We’re 1.5 games out of 10th in the Big 18. Top 9 get a bye in the BTT. The fact that some are calling people insane for suggesting that Bubble is even remotely possible, is idiotic. Of course the season is still in front of us

Lol 9-2 to get on the bubble

 

[BillyC80]

So far so good…

 

[PiscatawayMike]

 

[BigEastPhil]

Bee Gees singing “ Staying Alive / Staying Alive “ !

 

[ru66]

You keep saying this but we also don't have 18 wins now and absolutely no one disputes that we are miles and miles away from the bubble if the field is being selected today.

I mean quoting a Q1/2/3 winning percentage when 16 of the 25 are Q1 is kinda misleading. How many of your comps played 16 Q1 games? Looking back at pre conference tourney time from last year these are the teams that played 16+ Q1 games:
Houston 16
Marquette 15
Baylor 17

Those are the only ones I see, to be fair I am scrolling through by hand.

Yep this is why 3-4% is a small number.

Because it's more fun than endlessly debating why Pike sucks or why we don't have enough NIL (and also both things can be done at once). Do you ask the same questions about people who stay to the end of games when we have little to no chance to win?

Bac and guys like him relish in the negstives-- they never realized that it's harder to find positives and easier to attack. If you had a position of authority ,those that want to look good think that constantly finding negatives will boost their position -- in actuality being able to find positives in a person and helping that person to use and extend those positives makes you a more successful leader.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Bac and guys like him relish in the negstives-- they never realized that it's harder to find positives and easier to attack. If you had a position of authority ,those that want to look good think that constantly finding negatives will boost their position -- in actuality being able to find positives in a person and helping that person to use and extend those positives makes you a more successful leader.

Your second sentence is very true.

 

[zappaa]

Your second sentence is very true.

All sounds nice, but you learn from your failure and failures also.
Of the greatest All time athletic performers at the elite level in history, some were motivated by fear of failure, others had no fear of failure.
I’ve played and lived with both.

 

[bethlehemfan]

All sounds nice, but you learn from your failure and failures also.
Of the greatest All time athletic performers at the elite level in history, some were motivated by fear of failure, others had no fear of failure.
I’ve played and lived with both.

Thanks - I was actually thinking about leadership in the corporate environment but you’re right certainly fear of failure can be a great motivator for sure. Motivated me for many years.

 

[zappaa]

Thanks - I was actually thinking about leadership in the corporate environment but you’re right certainly fear of failure can be a great motivator for sure. Motivated me for many years.

leadership in the corporate environment must certainly point out and build on positives.
But I would think it hard to believe not acknowledging, accepting and learning from your faults and failures wouldn’t help you.

 

[fluoxetine]

Thanks - I was actually thinking about leadership in the corporate environment but you’re right certainly fear of failure can be a great motivator for sure. Motivated me for many years.

leadership in the corporate environment must certainly point out and build on positives.
But I would think it hard to believe not acknowledging, accepting and learning from your faults and failures wouldn’t help you.

I like this conversation. I think a couple things:

- Different people can have very different leadership styles that work for them; some people need to be built up. Some people are overconfident or arrogant and need to be knocked down a little. Etc

- From a factual perspective, attitude aside, you want to be realistic; that means acknoledging both the positives and negatives.

 

[bethlehemfan]

leadership in the corporate environment must certainly point out and build on positives.
But I would think it hard to believe not acknowledging, accepting and learning from your faults and failures wouldn’t help you.

Oh for sure. 66 was talking about an insecure toxic leader that is overly critical vs an authentic leader. You are 100% correct you always want transparent feedback.