Princeton now a real rival?

[vkj91]

but those other schools also have athletic scholarship counts to consider and, somehow, the Ivies do not. But as I said.. NIL throws this all into a does-it-matter-anymore realm. Everything being done with athletic or need -based schollies can be done with NIL with no limits.. so it was a moot point.

It doesn’t work that way. I bet more than half of Rutgers football players would go to Rutgers for free if they didn’t play football based on family income? Why do they take the scholarship?
Also, the IVy’s aren’t the only 1AA conference with access to the playoffs that don’t grant scholarships.
And then you have different situations in the same conference. There was a time when Georgetown was only school in Patriot League not to offer scholarships. As a league they have a max of 60. Three below NCAA allowance

 

[vkj91]

Ivies don't allow NIL money, at least for now.

Believe that is changing

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Many small schools do not have sports scholarships. I give up, believe what you want!

Didn't I post an article discussing the possible evaporation of the 63 schollie limit in FCS based on some accommodation over some legal action?

I don't care how many privates don't offer athletic scholarships. I care that there are some rules the teams in the current FCS playoff this year had to obey that seem to not apply at all to the Ivies who want to be in the FCS playoff starting next year. And I wondered if the way they do need scholarships is the equivalent of the athletic scholarships of other FCS teams if their should be some way of measuring what they do to make it fair with teh other FCS programs.

Why do you keep changing what I am saying in order to make an argument? I don't care that the Pioneer League offers no athletic schollies, nor did I care that the Ivies did not... but now they will possibly take a spot in the FCS championship from a team that does and it should at least be considered if the Ivies really do offer the equivalent of athletic scholarships.. otherwise, how could they compete with teams that do? Do they just make up teams of wealthy athletes and dirt poor athletes?

No. The financial threshold the Ivies set makes nearly every athlete eligible for a free ride. There is a sliding scale.. but the value is high given what tuition is there. But.. the point is, athletes get admitted whereas if they were not an athlete they would likely NOT be admitted. In essence, that is the same as an athletic scholarship. They get the need-based scholarship because they are an athlete.

I guess we shall see how the Ivies do with FCS soon enough.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

It doesn’t work that way. I bet more than half of Rutgers football players would go to Rutgers for free if they didn’t play football based on family income? Why do they take the scholarship?
Also, the IVy’s aren’t the only 1AA conference with access to the playoffs that don’t grant scholarships.
And then you have different situations in the same conference. There was a time when Georgetown was only school in Patriot League not to offer scholarships. As a league they have a max of 60. Three below NCAA allowance

but they have the option and the limit. We shall see how it all shakes out.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Ivies don't allow NIL money, at least for now.

Already been lawsuits over no athletic schollies.. I'm sure NIL access is in the works

 

[SkilletHead2]

@SkilletHead2

Thoughts?

Nah. The programs have moved in different directions, and the chances of the game having a line under 15 are pretty slim. RU and other teams play cupcakes to get the W's and the cupcakes play to get the $$. To think that Princeton would need those bucks is laughable.

With regard to schollies, etc., at the Ivies, it may well have changed, but historically coaches have been given chits to help the applications of desired athletes. Not a guarantee, but makes it a strong likelihood. And then (and this may have changed, too) what you would end up paying at any Ivy would be the same. That agreement may have been axed a while ago as collusion. But the Big Three schollie situation with all students is pretty strong. NIL would be very interesting. NIL could turn the Ivies (certainly the Big Three) into powerhouses in any sport those chose to throw the money at.

 

[vkj91]

but they have the option and the limit. We shall see how it all shakes out.

Again you are just ignoring the fact that there is already precedent. Nobody sees it as an unfair advantage because just like a Davidson the Ivy’s will never recruit the athletes or the transfers to be a real threat to 1AA powerhouses.

 

[e5fdny]

Again you are just ignoring the fact that there is already precedent. Nobody sees it as an unfair advantage because just like a Davidson the Ivy’s will never recruit the athletes or the transfers to be a real threat to 1AA powerhouses.

Columbia did it in Football a while back when they, collectively, were sick losing.

They didn’t keep it up. But worked for what they wanted to happen, not go 0-10 all the time.

And yes, never a threat to regular 1AA programs but did hold their own in the Ivy. Which is all they wanted.

 

[G- RUnit]

Rutgers first win in Meadowlands was over Columbia?

 

[G- RUnit]

I’d love to play Princeton again.

How Hobbs did absolutely nothing for RU and College Football Anniversary is inexcusable.

We had a bye week? R U kidding me?

 

[WhiteBus]

I’d love to play Princeton again.

How Hobbs did absolutely nothing for RU and College Football Anniversary is inexcusable.

We had a bye week? R U kidding me?

The bye week was beyond a disaster!

Princeton doesn't feel the same way. Wish for something else.

 

[G- RUnit]

The bye week was beyond a disaster!

Princeton doesn't feel the same way. Wish for something else.

They felt something as they scheduled Dartmouth at Yankee Stadium?

 

[WhiteBus]

They felt something as they scheduled Dartmouth at Yankee Stadium?

Dartmouth isn't Rutgers. They have no interest in playing Rutgers in Football. At all! Been this way for a long time!

 

[Doctor Worm]

we should play them and Monmouth every year

it's foolish not to on so many levels

Name three.

I may even settle for one.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Even if Princeton wanted to play us, which they don't, they sure as **** ain't interested in a paycheck. They would require home and home, or neutral site. As they should.

And we sure as **** ain't going to give them that.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I’d love to play Princeton again.

How Hobbs did absolutely nothing for RU and College Football Anniversary is inexcusable.

We had a bye week? R U kidding me?

As I recall it, Flood and Hermann requested that the B1G give RU the bye week as they wanted to schedule a local OOC. But Ash could not have cared less.

 

[vkj91]

Even if Princeton wanted to play us, which they don't, they sure as **** ain't interested in a paycheck. They would require home and home, or neutral site. As they should.

And we sure as **** ain't going to give them that.

This is a ridiculous post
We can’t play them they don’t count towards bowl eligibility
They would never want a home and home.
And despite their endowment they definitely want a payday. See their bball schedule

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

The Princeton coach’s son is our future QB. That would make for a very interesting game.

 

[Colbert17!]

We should play Princeton in every sport except for football.

 

[RUTGERS95]

some very nearsighted people here

 

[e5fdny]

some very nearsighted people here

I’m with you on playing every D1 in NJ for everything. But only Monmouth really works Football. I like the idea of a Princeton game but I don’t think they do or care. Plus, as mentioned previously, they don’t count.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I’m with you on playing every D1 in NJ for everything. But only Monmouth really works Football. I like the idea of a Princeton game but I don’t think they do or care. Plus, as mentioned previously, they don’t count.

I hear you but with the Ivy now joining the FCS playoffs, wouldn't they count in the future?

a lot of states have requirements for the state flagship school to play the local state supported schools as well. I'm ok with this, it's a good thing for NJ, the school and more

 

[bac2therac]

princeton isnt interested in getting physically beat up and embarrassed by Rutgers on the playing field. There is nothing cool about the idea of these two schools playing in football

 

[vkj91]

I hear you but with the Ivy now joining the FCS playoffs, wouldn't they count in the future?

a lot of states have requirements for the state flagship school to play the local state supported schools as well. I'm ok with this, it's a good thing for NJ, the school and more

No, 1AA games only count if they are scholarship schools. I think there is even a minimal number of scholarships. That's why you see the same Patriot league schools taking pay games every year.

 

[RUTGERS95]

No, 1AA games only count if they are scholarship schools. I think there is even a minimal number of scholarships. That's why you see the same Patriot league schools taking pay games every year.

gotcha, thank you for that clarification

 

[e5fdny]

I hear you but with the Ivy now joining the FCS playoffs, wouldn't they count in the future?

a lot of states have requirements for the state flagship school to play the local state supported schools as well. I'm ok with this, it's a good thing for NJ, the school and more

@vkj91 already explained it but as for the bold, who fits that role?

All the D1 schools are private. And the State ones are D3.

I know Wisky does it for MBB, but not sure if we should or need to.

 

[SkilletHead2]

This is a ridiculous post
We can’t play them they don’t count towards bowl eligibility
They would never want a home and home.
And despite their endowment they definitely want a payday. See their bball schedule

We're the only big name team on their bball schedule for this year. Not sure where the payday comes.

 

[vkj91]

We're the only big name team on their bball schedule for this year. Not sure where the payday comes.

No one of weird. I liked back at their schedule and last few years it’s been pathetic. Even played some D3 schools. Going back pre covid they played much better teams like ASU, Minnesota, Indiana etc

 

[e5fdny]

We're the only big-name team on their bball schedule for this year. Not sure where the payday comes.

Well, for this one at least, no?