Ace Bailey shots and shot selection (raw data)
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tons of takeaways....
I think the primary takeaway is that this isn't efficient
Next question is why is this the case.......
Player and coach are to blame. How you allocate the blame is debateable, but BOTH parties are to blame
What is the best way to fix and how much needs to be fixed?
I think the primary takeaway is that this isn't efficient
Next question is why is this the case.......
Player and coach are to blame. How you allocate the blame is debateable, but BOTH parties are to blame
What is the best way to fix and how much needs to be fixed?
That last stat jumps off the page. I guess the good news is it is potentially fixable.
It can be fixed if it is identified as a problem.
Given the other inefficient offensive things we keep doing every game I am not overly confident.
Something to keep in mind.....we hear about all the "money ball" things that work, but unsuccessful attempts aren't usually known.
I don't think Pike is an analytic guy
It's fixable but is it something Pike cares to fix? This is Pike’s biggest problem on offense not the “we don’t run an offense” crap
and not dunking enough. Isn't that the only things that happen in the NBA?
Yep. That's the main reason I put "potentially." I wonder if we would be better off with ace taking fall away baseline 3s.
I'm mostly fine with him taking 10-15 footers.... but he takes so many that are almost "heels on the arc" twos. Kills me every time.
The biggest suprise in Ace’s game is I thought he would take guys off the dribble and drive and dunk on them. He seems so content in pulling up for jumpers almost consciously or subconsciously trying to avoid a charge and any foul trouble. He hasn’t been aggressive enough. Hopeful that the coaching staff can convince him to drive more. It is more easy points, more fouls and he is a good foul shooter and more guys will have to come over to double he should find someone for a three.
I agree - I thought with his size he would be getting closer to the basket a lot more than he does. Ultimately he's a one trick pony - and his percentages are not even that great, HOWEVER he does get off clean shots pretty much every time because of his size. I also don't understand why he's not taking 3s. As far as coaching - our staff may not even know how to coach him because he's such a unicorn...OR he may not want to be coached because this year is really just a showcase for him and Dylan. Ace is going to the NBA next year PERIOD - I don't care how green most of his game is (and neither do the NBA scouts) - his measurable are too off the charts.
A one trick pony , I do not think so. So much more he can do defensively , shot blocking and rebounding especially on the offensive end. He also has to pump fake and get himself into the driving motion .
Ace’s shot and elevation is unstoppable and right now NBA level. He should be taking more shots not less . Dylan and Ace should be taking as many shots as possible. When they get more double teamed then our guys have to be ready to shoot and make the damn shot.
Ace can get any shot he wants at any time. I wish he would make quicker decisions as soon as he takes a pass. Either go up immediately if open for a trey, or go fast into the lane.
Too often he hesitates which makes him easier to defend, or he misses his window of opportunity to get a high percentage shot and score.
Too often he hesitates which makes him easier to defend, or he misses his window of opportunity to get a high percentage shot and score.
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Ace has all the necessary physical tools and then some. The question is does he figure all this out in time to help Rutgers this year.
His handles aren’t as good as I thought. Great for a 6’10” guy but not great enough to get to the rim consistently.
Agreed, if he takes more than 2 or 3 dribbles he is prone to turning the ball over. As a result he has trouble getting to the rim on his own from the perimeter. The team needs to get him more touches cutting to the basket so he doesn’t need to dribble as much.
Defense? Shot Blocking? Rebounding? I would not say any of these are strengths of his. Does he have potential? Sure, but right now he is a mid-range shooter - full stop!
His ridiculous shot selections was pointed out many times in high school. His ability to make a decent percentage shot of those shots is literally what makes him such a high potential prospect.
Whoever said that does PIke want him to change that might be on to something. He needs to be more aggressive and assertive before settling for his shot.
Whoever said that does PIke want him to change that might be on to something. He needs to be more aggressive and assertive before settling for his shot.
As I've noted in previous threads, his handle isn't nearly as good as I thought it was going to be, plus it's a bit high, meaning he has difficulty getting by any defender on the drive, despite being athletic enough. I think that can be addressed with copious amounts of practice, but it's not there now, leaving Ace as a decent, but not amazing, yet, jump shooter and the occasional put-back/dunk guy on missed shots. NBA scouts aren't dumb and NBA defenders are better than college defenders, so this won't get better at the next level - I would think his stock is already dropping, despite the "measurables." I hope I'm wrong and he starts showing us more ability to get to the rim, like Harper.
He doesn’t get to the foul line nearly enough. He should be getting there at least 3 times a game simply by pump faking his 18 foot jump shot he loves and driving by defender. The worry is Ohio St was a game he almost looked like “I gotta get mine” and that is so Anti Pike coaching style
What do you mean his stock is dropping ? He has already shown NBA level shot making and is averaging 16/17 a game. He has played 7 games and first one he was hurt and could barely bend over. So you are judging him against Merrimack where he was superb , and NBA like , Kennesaw where he had his worst game , obviously did not handle homecoming well , and incredibly gave up the ball when he had a chance to tie or win; Notre Dame , where he had a subpar game with only 10 points as Dylan took over ; Alabama where he scored 22 and shot 9-18; Texas A& M where he had 24 and shot 10-20 and had 10 rebounds; and Ohio State where he didn’t shoot well early , came out after halftime and hit 3 straight shots to keep us close and ended with 12 points. Not sure how many freshman in this draft class is averaging what he is besides Dylan , Queen and Flagg., and Trey Johnson and Queen and Flagg are not scoring as much but close.
I am not sure after the 7 games he has played you can say his stock is dropping. Kinda shocking to say the least.
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I didn't say, "his stock is dropping," I said "I would think his stock is already dropping." There's a difference. The first would be if I had actual knowledge of his stock dropping, which I don't, hence I used the more nuanced second statement, which is more just my opinion, based on what I've seen so far. I also said I hope I'm wrong and he shows us what he's capable of, offensively, other than shooting from the outside. We'll see.
I assume so. To be fair I don't really follow the NBA. But my understanding is that Ace was already known to be raw before the season and his draft stock is based on being an elite physical specimen and talented shooter and that he can be taught all of the other stuff. I don't think it is a surprise that he's not an immediate college superstar.
This won’t get better at the next level?
Ace just turned 18 lol.
Of course it will get better.
CBB fans: We need a senior laden experienced team to win. A bunch of 23 year old guys who have developed.
Also CBB fans: Ace is 18 and not a finished product! This is ridiculous. He's got minimal potential to get better.
You only quoted part of my post. I was talking about his handle not being great being an issue now and likely a bigger one in the NBA against better one-on-one defenders if he can't improve that handle significantly. Hopefully he can, but if he can't, it's an important concern.
Pick a few random teams....
How much would Ace play right now and how would you expect him to do?
I don't watch the NBA and have absolutely no feel for the answer.
Something tells me he would play 25+ minutes on most teams.
In the NBA, right now? I don't watch the NBA either but I doubt it. He will probably play and develop on the bad team that drafts him. I don't think he would be playing major minutes on good teams as he is right this very moment. But I could be wrong.
was curious to what mr. NBA @NickRU714 says.
I do know Ace can get his shot off whenever he wants and is a volume shooter. We don't know if that extends to the 3 point line, but I would think so.
As @fluoxetine said.
Depends on the team and their objective.
He's not playing significant minutes on a contending team.
But he wouldn't be expected to.
He'll be a barely 19 year old rookie.
He'll get drafted based on what he could provide a team in 3-4-5 years and beyond after years of development.
(Which doesn't help Rutgers unfortunately)
I haven't seen Flagg at all. It sounds like his defense is ready soon/now to contribute?
Haven't seen any non-Rutgers games so no idea on any playerz.
Dylan could likely be a contribute now for many teams. Even as just a PG off the bench.
If you look at top 3 draft picks over the past several years, they almost always start unless they are injured and average between 15-22 ppg, though largely for bad/rebuilding teams.