Honestly I already got all that and I didn't really think any of that was any kind of revelation (which is why I left the first paragraph out-literally no other reason; everyone and their mother knows our athletic department was an absolute mess at that time). Context is important, which is why I'm a bit surprised that you didn't mention that Sark was already a fairly successful HC (rebuilding a Washington program coming off tough times, leading to him becoming USC's HC) prior to alcohol throwing his career off track, which is a much different scenario than Flood's, which is more 'can he actually be a successful HC on his own?' I agree that both needed an 'image makeover', but Sark had/has already proven he can be a viable HC.
I'm not sure I agree about Sark being fairly successful at Washington, or for that matter, certainly not at USC.
Sark wasn't a runaway success at UW though he did take over a squad that was winless the year before and I think had them bowling by year 2. Overall we definitely agree on a number of key points (and I have no issue with you/enjoy reading your posts). One big point I'm not sure has been brought up is 'does Flood *want* to be a HC again?' He's definitely had/earned the opportunity to learn under some of the best the coaching profession has to offer, which can go either way (isn't Beliceck's HC tree pretty awful?).I'm not sure I agree about Sark being fairly successful at Washington, or for that matter, certainly not at USC.
5-7 followed by three 7-6 seasons at a program like Washington that did extremely well under Rick Neuheisel in the early 2000's. But my post was not about comparing Sarkisian and Flood. It was about being around and learning from successful coaches like Saban, and then Sarkisian at Texas, who has rebuilt Texas into a CFP team after years of futility. Whether Flood will be offered or take a HC opportunity remains to be seen. He may be perfectly happy making $1.25M per year as a glorified coordinator (Sark calls the plays).
Yes, Sark's downfall is different than Flood's. Regardless how different fans see Flood's HC record at Rutgers (was it due to Greg's recruits, his coaching, or a little of both?) he is still the only Rutgers HC of football with a winning record, 26-22 post Frank Burns: Greg, Ash, Shea, Graber, Dick Anderson all have losing records. And he owns the best record as a HC in the B1G, RU's inaugural year in the B1G, 2014. At a place like Rutgers, where sucess and winning records are elusive, to say Flood did not have some success until his downfall in 2015 is a bit harsh and perhaps misleading.
I think we have some things that we agree on, and some that we disagree on, which is OK. We made progress on what seemed like complete disagreement.
And before the people come out and scream "Floodie" at me, I would have reservations hiring him as a HC in a P5 program for his first stop. As I mentioned in my post above, he did plenty to seal his fate and was a bonehead with the whole dance TA routine. We agree that a G5 opportunity would be good for him, or perhaps UConn, or a "lower level" P5 such as Boston College. Have thought that Delaware might be a good opportunity for him. While $1.25M is not close to what head coach's make, unless he is lousy with money, he should have substantial savings by now, and may be he does not want to be bothered with all of the responsibilities of being a HC and just enjoys coaching the OL and doing the recruiting stuff.
Delaware could actually work; they would probably support him well in terms of staffing/resources (relative for a new C-USA squad), it's fairly close to home and expectations wouldn't be sky-high or in the toilet. I'm not sure about BC though; them, cuse and Temple all had the opportunity to speak with him over the past 2 years for their HC spots and I don't think any of them did. For spots like BC and cuse, he would really need strong coordinatior contacts (I'm not really sure who 'his guys' are/would be at this point).
check your facts , Flood recruited all of the players involved that were on the roster at the time of arrest ,
Yep, hating Flood is kind of dumb, but trying to show Greg might deserve hate as well makes one look like they aren't overburdened with intelligence.
Pass? Schiano gets nailed to the wall on this board on pretty much a daily basis.
It’s funny with Flood and recruiting- he gets a bad rap when you just take an outer look.
What got to me with recruiting under Flood were the stories about us recruiting off of post-it notes (seemingly no organized 'mother board'/flow-chart), the "I don't need you; you need me" phone calls and then the stories about hosting players telling recruits to 'look elsewhere' (remember first hearing about this in the spring of 2014). I think Flood's biggest mistake was probably the overly-relaxed/ 'laissez faire' culture. I remember asking Nova about this when he made a guest appearance on here and if I remember correctly even he said most of the stuff that happened under Flood would not have happened under Schiano.
It wouldn’t have. Greg also would not have had to ask a teacher for an extra credit assignment.
I agree with you overall; a lot of Flood's mistakes were fairly typical for a first-time HC, which along with the dynamics that were unique to Rutgers at the time were just a bad combination.
Not sure where those "stories" come from. But often times those "insider" stories are based on BS or misinformation. Not saying that particular story you posted is true or not. But, for instance, some of the narratives that swirled around Greg's second hiring and the pause before hiring were never really verified. Same with Hobbs hiring of Ash. Ash was pretty much foisted upon him (anyone can look up the timeline via news reports)--the work had been done by Greg Brown, and Ash was served up to Hobbs. Sure, Hobbs could have pushed back, but it at least seemed the momentum to hire Ash was too great to reversed course once Hobbs was hired.
The 'Post-It' notes and "I don't need you; you need me" stories I think came from Bobby (some other posters who had 'connections' had also made comments along similar lines as the 'phone call comments') if I remember correctly. Usually stories like that have 3 sides-what Person A says happened, what Person B says happened, and what actually happened. In terms of the players telling recruits to 'look elsewhere', I remember hearing about that sometime in the spring of 2015, though the first 'red flag' I remember along those lines was a comment from Chapelle Russel's mother (Russel ended up being a good LB at Temple and I think he played a few seasons in the NFL) in the spring of 2014 in an article about a visit to Rutgers (she had made comments expressing concern about 'player safety and academics', which seemed ridiculous at the time but then looked much different by the summer of 2015).
IIRC, that is the same Bobby who did a snake in the grass podcast or comment when the Greg 2.0 talks initially broke off. I saw it as the usual negotiating tactics on both sides- Greg want to get as much in the way of assurances as possible that he would get what he thought was needed to make RU a winning program, and Hobbs and the BOG trying to hold the line on $$$ and not overspend. But if that is the same Bobby who moved over to the other site, I put little credit in that story.
Who knows with the posted notes...but let's also be realistic- as much as technology has progressed- there are a reason that post it notes are still prevalent at Staples, as are desk calendars. I would be willing to bet that most Coaches use post it notes in some way. If I remember- BD seemed to have a huge grudge on the program at the time.
regarding Flood's 2015 season, it truly was a cluster in all aspects here.
The funny thing is- let’s say Tim P had stayed on- I don’t think the horrors of 2013-2019 happen. I don’t think Flood would have been great but he could have bridged us to the next step.
Despite it bothering people so much, I'd love to pull up the JH threads and review all of the "you guys are crazy she's going to be soooo great" posts...
I can definitely appreciate these points. Where I tend to shake my head is where I see posters say stuff like, 'Flood was a much better game day coach than Schiano' (based on what exactly?), with some of those same posters blasting Schiano for 'not beating any teams with a winning record' or 'only beating teams that are in turmoil' while propping up Flood's bigger wins and completely/blatantly ignoring those same criteria (for as much as we appreciate the 2 Arkansas wins the Razorbacks won a combined 7 games in 2012-2013 and played the 2012 season under an interim HC after Petrino had the whole motorcycle fiasco, and Michigan was a mess throughout 2014).
Not suggesting that Graber mailed it in during the 94 and 95 seasons -- just that there was virtually no support for him from the admin and kids were leaving the program in droves. No one could have succeeded here.
Some real gems in here supporting Julie upon her firing:
I can tell you- it wouldn’t be me.
I think her best move here was lobbying for the QuickLane Bowl bid in 2014 when it looked like we were headed to the Heart of Dallas Bowl (which was also on 12/26 but at 11:30am vs. C-USA). Other than that, I don't really remember her making many positive moves at Rutgers.
some of those reads are atrocious and wreak of I&*))(*(((*)(*))(*)(***&Y*&*)
Or even a low level intellect. The guy is a buffoon. A connected, wealthy buffoon but still a buffoon.
She had a good pedigree working under Jurich at Lousville, but we saw later that was a house of cards (no pun intended).
