OT: "November Rain"

[RUnTeX]

It's not interesting to me. I like lots of CSN/Y, but not that particular song.

CSN/Y?
You have them confused with the band in the OP.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Interesting list here (only agree with perhaps Wonderwall-many seem like power ballads):

1. “All Apologies” by Nirvana
2. “Wild Horses” by The Rolling Stones
3. “November Rain” by Guns N' Roses
4. “Keep On Loving You” by REO Speedwagon
5. “With Or Without You” by U2
6. “To Be With You” by Mr. Big
7. "Come Sail Away," Styx
8. "Changes," Black Sabbatth
9. "Wonderwall," Oasis
10. "Hey Jude," The Beatles

https://www.musicindustryhowto.com/rock-ballads/

Rolling Stone has
Hey Jude, Freebird, Black (Pearl Jam), Let it Be, November Rain, Wild Horses, Something, and Stairway to Heaven.

Wild Horses- sure. Black is good. Let it Be and Something- sure.

Missing "More than a Feeling" IMO

 

[Kbee3]

I know who Linda Ronstadt is, but never heard of that band. Named after the venue, I guess?

I suck with band or artist names, and song names. You could play over half my Spotify collection and I‘ll know the music, could hum along with the song, but couldn’t tell you the artist, album (if there is one) or name of the song. I’m guessing close to half the tracks nobody here has ever heard, from artists few or nobody here has heard of before, including me till spotify or Tidal suggested I’d like it.

I just hear stuff and add it to my collection if it speaks to me. The names are kind of irrelevant to me, outside of some artists/bands where I like a lot of their work.

Also, I have a ****** memory,

I'm very different. When I hear a new (to me) tune that I really like I've gotta know everything about it and add it to my LP or CD collection. Been that way forever. It's why I have such a large LP and CD collection....and can tell you just about everything about every tune on every one of them. For me it's always been a passion of sorts.
I long ago learned that most people don't like most of what I like and that I don't like most of what other people like. I still can't believe you've never heard of November Rain.
BTW, I have no knowledge of Spotify or Tidal.

 

[Kbee3]

Interesting list here (only agree with perhaps Wonderwall-many seem like power ballads):

1. “All Apologies” by Nirvana
2. “Wild Horses” by The Rolling Stones
3. “November Rain” by Guns N' Roses
4. “Keep On Loving You” by REO Speedwagon
5. “With Or Without You” by U2
6. “To Be With You” by Mr. Big
7. "Come Sail Away," Styx
8. "Changes," Black Sabbatth
9. "Wonderwall," Oasis
10. "Hey Jude," The Beatles

https://www.musicindustryhowto.com/rock-ballads/

Rolling Stone has
Hey Jude, Freebird, Black (Pearl Jam), Let it Be, November Rain, Wild Horses, Something, and Stairway to Heaven.

Wild Horses- sure. Black is good. Let it Be and Something- sure.

#4, #6, #7, and #8 on that list blow IMO.

 

[RutHut_rivals]

Not having a Journey song in the top 10 kinda misses the point.

 

[Kbee3]

The best "ballad" that I don't see on any list above is Bob Dylan's classic... Ballad of a Thin Man.
Also, not sure if it qualifies as a ballad, but my favorite all-time tune is Neil Young's Cortez The Killer.

 

[mildone_rivals]

CSN/Y?
You have them confused with the band in the OP.

Oops, yeah, that was the other thread.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I'm very different. When I hear a new (to me) tune that I really like I've gotta know everything about it and add it to my LP or CD collection. Been that way forever. It's why I have such a large LP and CD collection....and can tell you just about everything about every tune on every one of them. For me it's always been a passion of sorts.
I long ago learned that most people don't like most of what I like and that I don't like most of what other people like. I still can't believe you've never heard of November Rain.
BTW, I have no knowledge of Spotify or Tidal.

Spotify is a music streaming service. Pay a monthly price and you have access to an enormous collection. Tidal is the same, smaller collection but offered in much higher quality, in many cases, in lossless format (I.e. lots better than CD quality).

Once I switched to those, I could never go back. Don’t need both, but I have a family plan for Spotify and Tidal is for listening at home with good speakers. If not an audiophile with a higher-end audio system., Spotify is the better choice for its large collection plus better suggestion algorithms.

 

[Kbee3]

Spotify is a music streaming service. Pay a monthly price and you have access to an enormous collection. Tidal is the same, smaller collection but offered in much higher quality, in many cases, in lossless format (I.e. lots better than CD quality).

Once I switched to those, I could never go back. Don’t need both, but I have a family plan for Spotify and Tidal is for listening at home with good speakers. If not an audiophile with a higher-end audio system., Spotify is the better choice for its large collection plus better suggestion algorithms.

Not sure what you mean by "access" ? You can download albums to your music library on your computer...instead of physically purchasing the CD or vinyl album ?
That's gotta suck for the artists.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Not sure what you mean by "access" ? You can download albums to your music library on your computer...instead of physically purchasing the CD or vinyl album ?
That's gotta suck for the artists.

Although you *can* download songs, most people don't. You just need an internet connection and you can stream the music (same as Netflix streams movies) to pretty much whatever digital device you wish. So basically you need virtually zero disk space, just a little bandwidth and you have access to over 100 million songs (on Spotify) or over 90 million songs (on Tidal).

I'm not really sure how it works out for artists. For sure, some artists benefit a lot because they would never get a record contract w/a major label and would thus go almost entirely unnoticed. But music streaming services democratize that situation somewhat (although not entirely as suggested track or artist algorithms will take into account what's popular).

I suspect most artists are fans off music streaming because it makes it very easy for people to access their songs and they get paid when people listen to their work. I'm not positive, but would imagine that my kids generation doesn't do much album buying - they just use streaming services.

I have spent days just following along and music-hunting on Spotify, using their different methods of suggesting new music they think I'd like, and adding hundreds and hundreds of new songs to my collection. I could a grab thousand new songs a week and it would cost me nothing more than the flat-rate monthly subscription - or grab ten thousand, doesn't matter.

I took awhile to switch from iTunes and/or CDs over to music streaming. But once I did, and once I got familiar with how they figure out what I might like, there was no going back. Best thing that ever happened for music lovers, IMO.

 

[RUevolution36]

Although you *can* download songs, most people don't. You just need an internet connection and you can stream the music (same as Netflix streams movies) to pretty much whatever digital device you wish. So basically you need virtually zero disk space, just a little bandwidth and you have access to over 100 million songs (on Spotify) or over 90 million songs (on Tidal).

I'm not really sure how it works out for artists. For sure, some artists benefit a lot because they would never get a record contract w/a major label and would thus go almost entirely unnoticed. But music streaming services democratize that situation somewhat (although not entirely as suggested track or artist algorithms will take into account what's popular).

I suspect most artists are fans off music streaming because it makes it very easy for people to access their songs and they get paid when people listen to their work. I'm not positive, but would imagine that my kids generation doesn't do much album buying - they just use streaming services.

I have spent days just following along and music-hunting on Spotify, using their different methods of suggesting new music they think I'd like, and adding hundreds and hundreds of new songs to my collection. I could a grab thousand new songs a week and it would cost me nothing more than the flat-rate monthly subscription - or grab ten thousand, doesn't matter.

I took awhile to switch from iTunes and/or CDs over to music streaming. But once I did, and once I got familiar with how they figure out what I might like, there was no going back. Best thing that ever happened for music lovers, IMO.

Artists hate streaming. Payouts are terrible. There are less scrupulous artists who will pay other unscrupulous people to run essentially a click farm. Countless devices that are run by an algorithm to increase their streaming #'s and income. Also... the more streams, the more likely the streaming platform algorithm promotes your music. Unfortunately, it's basically the only game in town now, so they have to deal with it.

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

Artists hate streaming. Payouts are terrible. There are less scrupulous artists who will pay other unscrupulous people to run essentially a click farm. Countless devices that are run by an algorithm to increase their streaming #'s and income. Also... the more streams, the more likely the streaming platform algorithm promotes your music. Unfortunately, it's basically the only game in town now, so they have to deal with it.

That’s very true and it is unfair to musicians. An unintended upside is that if musicians want to survive professionally, they have to tour and play live. The best way to improve as a musician is to play live . There are many ways that musical acts can be helped in the modern studio which can hide deficiencies.

 

[RUSK97]

Estranged off UYI2 was a better ballad, imo.

Estranged was an incredible song, but for me it doesn’t take away from NR.

 

[Kbee3]

Spotify is a music streaming service. Pay a monthly price and you have access to an enormous collection. Tidal is the same, smaller collection but offered in much higher quality, in many cases, in lossless format (I.e. lots better than CD quality).

Once I switched to those, I could never go back. Don’t need both, but I have a family plan for Spotify and Tidal is for listening at home with good speakers. If not an audiophile with a higher-end audio system., Spotify is the better choice for its large collection plus better suggestion algorithms.

Thanks for the info.
An audiophile with a damn good audio system....who doesn't wanna go anywhere near an algorithm.
My current means of discovering new stuff seems to be working fine. Hooked on The War On Drugs right now. Bumped into them watching a Coachella years back.
Right now I can't get enough of their album Live Drugs and a video of their Austin City Limits performance.
No algorithm would have led me here.

 

[RUevolution36]

Thanks for the info.
An audiophile with a damn good audio system....who doesn't wanna go anywhere near an algorithm.
My current means of discovering new stuff seems to be working fine. Hooked on The War On Drugs right now. Bumped into them watching a Coachella years back.
Right now I can't get enough of their album Live Drugs and a video of their Austin City Limits performance.
No algorithm would have led me here.

You'd be surprised at what gems you get introduced to by Spotify's algorithm. The more you listen, the more they understand your personal preferences. Even if you do like collecting physical media, the streaming services are a good way to try before you buy. Spotify has a free tier that is ad supported that is good for that purpose.

 

[Kbee3]

You'd be surprised at what gems you get introduced to by Spotify's algorithm. The more you listen, the more they understand your personal preferences. Even if you do like collecting physical media, the streaming services are a good way to try before you buy. Spotify has a free tier that is ad supported that is good for that purpose.

I may give it a try.....just for fun. I'm not at all into algorithms.
I usually bump into new stuff on the radio. Or read about it. Or hear about stuff from friends who have similar excellent taste.
So far that's worked pretty good for me over the years.

 

[RUevolution36]

I may give it a try.....just for fun. I'm not at all into algorithms.
I usually bump into new stuff on the radio. Or read about it. Or hear about stuff from friends who have similar excellent taste.
So far that's worked pretty good for me over the years.

Terrestrial radio is very limited in what they will expose a listener to. Satellite is better, but still somewhat limited. Streaming opens up a huge world of possibilities, including independent artists who don't have labels who back them by buying airtime on radio.

 

[Kbee3]

Terrestrial radio is very limited in what they will expose a listener to. Satellite is better, but still somewhat limited. Streaming opens up a huge world of possibilities, including independent artists who don't have labels who back them by buying airtime on radio.

Way, way back in the day...when I lived in Middlesex county... I would sometimes hear good stuff on WRSU and WPRB. Don't know what those stations are like now. I only listen to the radio when I'm in my car though. And since I retired that means a whole lot less listening time.
I make my own "best of" cds and "mixed" CDs, just like I used to do with my cassettes. See, that way in addition to the joy of putting them together I get to listen to what I like....not the occasional song I like followed by crap. And there's a lot of crap out there. A quick look at the New Music thread here will confirm that.
And as far as hearing new stuff, a lot of my friends look to me to turn them on to stuff they haven't heard. So I must be doing something right.
BTW, when I do listen to the radio it's 107.1 out of Peekskill or 105.5 out of Dover. We did try Sirius at one time but were not impressed.

 

[RUevolution36]

Way, way back in the day...when I lived in Middlesex county... I would sometimes hear good stuff on WRSU and WPRB. Don't know what those stations are like now. I only listen to the radio when I'm in my car though. And since I retired that means a whole lot less listening time.
I make my own "best of" cds and "mixed" CDs, just like I used to do with my cassettes. See, that way in addition to the joy of putting them together I get to listen to what I like....not the occasional song I like followed by crap. And there's a lot of crap out there. A quick look at the New Music thread here will confirm that.
And as far as hearing new stuff, a lot of my friends look to me to turn them on to stuff they haven't heard. So I must be doing something right.
BTW, when I do listen to the radio it's 107.1 out of Peekskill or 105.5 out of Dover. We did try Sirius at one time but were not impressed.

another benefit of streaming. making your own playlists. and not being constrained by how much you can store on a cd or cassette. i have playlists that are 5 hours long of only songs i like. different playlists for different moods. or i can listen to my favorite albums on their own.