Mag - impact moving forward. Eye opening stats

[Scangg]

In Big Ten games, Rutgers allows 14.3 more points per 100 possessions when Mag is off the court

Three-point shooting percentage (+9.4%)

Mid-range two-point percentage (+6.6)

Offensive rebounding percentage (+9.3%)

In B1G play, Mag ranks fourth in the Big Ten in both defensive rating and defensive box plus-minus, per Bart Torvik 

 

[ImBadRU]

MVP in my opinion

 

[ru66]

No joke- now we are really screwed

 

[eedouble]

That's amazing. I had this conversation with my kids the other night. McConnell (deservedly) gets most of the praise for his D, but I think Mag is more important to the team overall. Those stats pretty much validate that.

 

[ru66]

Unfortunately be prepared for some losing.

 

[Degaz-RU]

In Big Ten games, Rutgers allows 14.3 more points per 100 possessions when Mag is off the court

Three-point shooting percentage (+9.4%)

Mid-range two-point percentage (+6.6)

Offensive rebounding percentage (+9.3%)

In B1G play, Mag ranks fourth in the Big Ten in both defensive rating and defensive box plus-minus, per Bart Torvik 

Not bad for the “easiest of the five starters to replace” {SARCASM}

 

[RutgHoops]

In Big Ten games, Rutgers allows 14.3 more points per 100 possessions when Mag is off the court

Three-point shooting percentage (+9.4%)

Mid-range two-point percentage (+6.6)

Offensive rebounding percentage (+9.3%)

In B1G play, Mag ranks fourth in the Big Ten in both defensive rating and defensive box plus-minus, per Bart Torvik 

Mag is no doubt a terrific defensive player and a plus rebounder. But those stats are a bit misleading.

For example, kenpom does a good breakdown of team lineups. So, if you look at our lineups when Mag is off the floor you see the following:

Obviously the most minutes for a non-Mag lineup is: Paul, Cam, Caleb, Aundre and Cliff. Straight swap of Mag for Hyatt. BUT, our next most minutes in a non-Mag lineup is: Paul, Derek, Cam, Hyatt and Cliff. So the next most minutes without Mag is not just Mag sitting but Caleb as well. We also play a Paul, Derek, Caleb, Aundre, Cliff lineup a bit, so that lineup has Mag and Cam out and would count as a "non-Mag" lineup in the above analysis.

Not bagging on the stat itself and I agree losing Mawot is impactful, but I did want to add some context to those stats.

 

[csphi]

Unfortunately be prepared for some losing.

A loser mentality

 

[Scangg]

Mag is no doubt a terrific defensive player and a plus rebounder. But those stats are a bit misleading.

For example, kenpom does a good breakdown of team lineups. So, if you look at our lineups when Mag is off the floor you see the following:

Obviously the most minutes for a non-Mag lineup is: Paul, Cam, Caleb, Aundre and Cliff. Straight swap of Mag for Hyatt. BUT, our next most minutes in a non-Mag lineup is: Paul, Derek, Cam, Hyatt and Cliff. So the next most minutes without Mag is not just Mag sitting but Caleb as well. We also play a Paul, Derek, Caleb, Aundre, Cliff lineup a bit, so that lineup has Mag and Cam out and would count as a "non-Mag" lineup in the above analysis.

Not bagging on the stat itself and I agree losing Mawot is impactful, but I did want to add some context to those stats.

It just furthers the point that there is a drop off when bench players are on the court and now these players will have to play increased minutes

 

[fluoxetine]

In Big Ten games, Rutgers allows 14.3 more points per 100 possessions when Mag is off the court

Three-point shooting percentage (+9.4%)

Mid-range two-point percentage (+6.6)

Offensive rebounding percentage (+9.3%)

In B1G play, Mag ranks fourth in the Big Ten in both defensive rating and defensive box plus-minus, per Bart Torvik 

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[Rufaninga]

Unfortunately be prepared for some losing.

I prepare for our opponents to lose

 

[AreYouNUTS]

No joke- now we are really screwed

Unfortunately be prepared for some losing.

get a grip....please.

 

[fluoxetine]

I prepare for our opponents to lose

I predict at least 8 losses in Rutgers games for the rest of the regular season.

Relatedly, I predict no more than 8 losses in Rutgers games for the rest of the regular season.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Feel so bad for Mawot and all he has endured. His loss will be felt big time on the court at both ends. Now it’s time for Hyatt / Dean / Wolf / Oskar to take the bull by the horns and contribute to the max.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

It’s a huge loss but those stats basically just show what we already know in that Mag is a much better defender than Hyatt. Hyatt plays pretty much every minute that Mag sits in his place and they don’t play much together.

Green is right - we’ll probably shift towards using a 4 guard line up more often.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Not bad for the “easiest of the five starters to replace” {SARCASM}

Stats are meaningful within context LOL

What percentage of his minutes are on the court with Cliff and Caleb??

My guess is 85 to 90% of his stats defensively are aligned with 3 or all 4 starters.

The terrified RU fans act as if they're the only program ever to lose a starter this season.

Should I listen to an Indiana fan tell me the only reason RU beat them, was because they had to play with Xavier Johnson at PG, instead of Hood-Schifino, who missed the game at the RAC??? If you want to build in excuses, knock yourself out.

Should I even watch the game tonight??? (SARCASM)

 

[MiloTalon13]

Mag is no doubt a terrific defensive player and a plus rebounder. But those stats are a bit misleading.

For example, kenpom does a good breakdown of team lineups. So, if you look at our lineups when Mag is off the floor you see the following:

Obviously the most minutes for a non-Mag lineup is: Paul, Cam, Caleb, Aundre and Cliff. Straight swap of Mag for Hyatt. BUT, our next most minutes in a non-Mag lineup is: Paul, Derek, Cam, Hyatt and Cliff. So the next most minutes without Mag is not just Mag sitting but Caleb as well. We also play a Paul, Derek, Caleb, Aundre, Cliff lineup a bit, so that lineup has Mag and Cam out and would count as a "non-Mag" lineup in the above analysis.

Not bagging on the stat itself and I agree losing Mawot is impactful, but I did want to add some context to those stats.

Good stuff - in the straight Hyatt for Mag swap, how much better is our offense per 100 possessions?

 

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

Mag is a loss- no doubt. But there is also no doubt that where a door closes another one opens. It’s time for Simpson, Hyatt, Reiber and Woolfolk to show that Pike’s vaunted 3 star player development system works.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Good stuff - in the straight Hyatt for Mag swap, how much better is our offense per 100 possessions?

I mean - Hyatt plays about the same amount of minutes and only averages 1.6 ppg more with high usage while he plays. So my guess is probably not that much. Hyatt is streaky though. There are days his offense is amazing. The trouble is when his shots aren’t falling he’s a liability on both ends.

 

[fluoxetine]

I mean Mag has played the fewest minutes of our starters (including Paul and Caleb who missed time to injury) so that does mean he is probably the "easiest" starter to replace or at least the one that Pike does not feel compelled to play as much.

Still, with Mag coming on offensively I do think there is a clear drop down from him to the 6th man. The impact will be felt, but it isn't insurmountable.

 

[fluoxetine]

But there is also no doubt that where a door closes another one opens.

I have doubt about this.

 

[RUisB1Gtime]

Rieber, Wolf, Simpson, Palmquist, Miller and possibly even Chol. That's basically half the roster. Time for those guys to make their mark..

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Rieber, Wolf, Simpson, Palmquist, Miller and possibly even Chol. That's basically half the roster. Time for those guys to make their mark..

I'd be STUNNED if Choi plays. Pretty sure we're got a medical RS season being applied for at this point.

 

[ru66]

A loser mentality

No, an honest reality that I hope doesn't happen. But I
expect the real losers are those who will attack the team if they lose. Are you that loser??

 

[fluoxetine]

I'd be STUNNED if Choi plays. Pretty sure we're got a medical RS season being applied for at this point.

We have one guy go out from injury and now we are pulling people out from the stands to play lol. It's 25 minutes a game ffs, we could give them all to Hyatt and Simpson if we wanted to.

 

[fluoxetine]

I usually think calling people out for "loser mentality" on a message board is super ridiculous but it pretty perfectly describes saying "we're screwed, prepare for a lot of losing"

 

[Scangg]

Stats are meaningful within context LOL

What percentage of his minutes are on the court with Cliff and Caleb??

My guess is 85 to 90% of his stats defensively are aligned with 3 or all 4 starters.

The terrified RU fans act as if they're the only program ever to lose a starter this season.

Should I listen to an Indiana fan tell me the only reason RU beat them, was because they had to play with Xavier Johnson at PG, instead of Hood-Schifino, who missed the game at the RAC??? If you want to build in excuses, knock yourself out.

Should I even watch the game tonight??? (SARCASM)

You don't think JHS being out and TJD playing through a back injury had any impact on the game?

Injuries have an impact, obviously

 

[runner1954]

No, an honest reality that I hope doesn't happen. But I
expect the real losers are those who will attack the team if they lose. Are you that loser??

GTFO, you're the loser/troll. LMAO

 

[brucelaw8]

I mean - Hyatt plays about the same amount of minutes and only averages 1.6 ppg more with high usage while he plays. So my guess is probably not that much. Hyatt is streaky though. There are days his offense is amazing. The trouble is when his shots aren’t falling he’s a liability on both ends.

So time for Aundre to step it up this evening.If so we win

 

[ru66]

GTFO, you're the loser/troll. LMAO

Troll?? You know nothing and you're a
jerk off -- GF yourself.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Troll?? You know nothing and you're a
jerk off -- GF yourself.

Man you're really making friends today lol....dude, nobody is happy Mag is done for the year, but you're definitely a tad over-the-top right now (just like some were with playing at MSG....just like I can be at times, as well).

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

You don't think JHS being out and TJD playing through a back injury had any impact on the game?

Injuries have an impact, obviously

I don't look at everything as an individual stat game or evaluation. Indiana is going to get evaluated based on the entire season or body of work.

Mike Woodson has 2 5 star guards before Xavier Johnson broke his foot, sitting on the bench. Why is Indiana solely reliant or needing TJD to have a big game in order to win??

If TJD gets in foul trouble dealing with Cliff, can Indiana win. I don't know right now, if the Mag injury does to the overall defensive ratings until I see what the coaches and players do to adjust their games and roles within the team concept.

It would be disappointing for RU fans to build in reasons or excuses for anything. I have not changed my bullish view of RU basketball at all. I am expecting good defense and better offense in time, because of this injury. I believe in the long run, RU will be more dangerous and explosive come March.

 

[ru66]

I usually think calling people out for "loser mentality" on a message board is super ridiculous but it pretty perfectly describes saying "we're screwed, prepare for a lot of losing"

Who said " a lot " of losing?? Only you.

 

[runrutgersrun]

My hope...Cam steps back up for the missing points. Wolf and our two young guards play like their hair is on fire and create some havoc on the boards and put on the missing defensive pressure as needed. Paul continues his leadership. And...oh, yeah...we have a pretty good coach that is so-o-o-o much better at figuring this out than we are lol. Having said all of this...we are on the road in the B1G tonight. If we win this one, I will be very, very impressed...love these guys! This was going to be a tough one even before Mag got hurt. GO RU!

 

[Scangg]

I don't look at everything as an individual stat game or evaluation. Indiana is going to get evaluated based on the entire season or body of work.

Mike Woodson has 2 5 star guards before Xavier Johnson broke his foot, sitting on the bench. Why is Indiana solely reliant or needing TJD to have a big game in order to win??

If TJD gets in foul trouble dealing with Cliff, can Indiana win. I don't know right now, if the Mag injury does to the overall defensive ratings until I see what the coaches and players do to adjust their games and roles within the team concept.

It would be disappointing for RU fans to build in reasons or excuses for anything. I have not changed my bullish view of RU basketball at all. I am expecting good defense and better offense in time, because of this injury. I believe in the long run, RU will be more dangerous and explosive come March.

Why does Indiana need one of the best players in the country? What do you think happens to Purdue if Edey tears his ACL?

RU will not be more dangerous and zero logic to saying we will be more explosive losing one of our most explosive players. The team athleticism just took a major blow

These are some wild takes Hawk.

 

[ru66]

Man you're really making friends today lol....dude, nobody is happy Mag is done for the year, but you're definitely a tad over-the-top right now (just like some were with playing at MSG....just like I can be at times, as well).

Over the top?? How?? Responding to the possibility of losing games in his absence. I'd say responding to dopes attacking is not o.ver the top .

 

[RUJMM78]

It just furthers the point that there is a drop off when bench players are on the court and now these players will have to play increased minutes

It wouldn't be as much of a problem to overcome if the offense scored more points. Over dependence on defense will be really tested in the next two games on the road,

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Over the top?? How?? Responding to the possibility of losing games in his absence. I'd say responding to dopes attacking is not o.ver the top .

Yes, "over the top." To quote above I'd call it a "loser mentality" as well.

 

[RutgHoops]

It just furthers the point that there is a drop off when bench players are on the court and now these players will have to play increased minutes

It does. What it doesn't do is say Rutgers allows 14.3 more points per 100 possessions solely because Mag is off the court.

As illustrated in my post above there is a lineup (according to kenpom) that we play 6.3% of our minutes that has both Mag and Caleb off the court. There is a lineup we play 3.6% of our minutes that has both Mag and Cam off the court. There is a lineup we play 3.1% of our minutes with Mag, Cam and Cliff off the court. Etc, etc.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Why does Indiana need one of the best players in the country? What do you think happens to Purdue if Edey tears his ACL?

RU will not be more dangerous and zero logic to saying we will be more explosive losing one of our most explosive players. The team athleticism just took a major blow

These are some wild takes Hawk.

Zach Edey is a unique basketball player because he's 7'4.....there is ZERO correlation to Edey and TJD.....as is none whatsoever.

If you want to make the excuse that Mag is insurmountable and RU is doomed, go for it. I don't buy it, the stats don't support that logic and the roster has multiple pieces and players that can mix and match at that position.

I will ask the same question that I asked in the other thread. Are you saying you would rather have Mag over any of the other 4 starters for the rest of the season?? If you are saying "I'm not going that far OR NO, I wouldn't say that", then we can have a logical discussion of team performance with and without Mag....

That means moving the ball, offense, passing, shooting, rebounding, defense etc.

I don't believe Mag is the only player on the roster that does what he does well. There is going to be a dropoff on defense....yes I am acknowledging there will be "some dropoff".

But I am also saying getting Simpson and Hyatt more minutes isn't exactly the worse solution in the world, for a team that needs shooting, scoring and some individual "go make a play", once in awhile.