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Do any of our sports teams work with Sports Psychologists? I know pro golfers work with them because a large part of their game is mental and visualization. Executing to the best of their ability because each shot literally translates to $$$. I would think shooting a basketball and Kicking a FG in football it would also be beneficial to these type of athletes. All things considered, hard work and putting the practice in, all part of being the best at your position. I’m pretty sure sport has transcended the purely physical torture of Bobby Knight and Herb Brooks. Thoughts?
 
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Do any of our sports teams work with Sports Psychologists? I know pro golfers work with them because a large part of their game is mental and visualization. Executing to the best of their ability because each shot literally translates to $$$. I would think shooting a basketball and Kicking a FG in football it would also be beneficial to these type of athletes. All things considered, hard work and putting the practice in, all part of being the best at your position. I’m pretty sure sport has transcended the purely physical torture of Bobby Knight and Herb Brooks. Thoughts?
Yes, yes we do
 
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See the ball, see the hoop, be the ball, put it in the hoop Danny!
Get it back on the rails boys. Let’s go 2-0 this week
 
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RUBubba

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Years ago I remember Rashod Kent seeing one to get over his issues shooting foul shots.

I was at a lecture 25 years ago with a sports psychologist. Fascinating stuff, talking about how “the zone” is real, and just a state of super concentration where everything gets truly tuned out. I experienced it for one pitch in college. One pitch, where I saw nothing but the catchers glove, heard absolutely nothing, no chatter, no fans yellin… nothing. Threw the pitch, fastball outside corner, then finally heard our fans and team cheering.
never experienced it again.
 

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Years ago I remember Rashod Kent seeing one to get over his issues shooting foul shots.

I was at a lecture 25 years ago with a sports psychologist. Fascinating stuff, talking about how “the zone” is real, and just a state of super concentration where everything gets truly tuned out. I experienced it for one pitch in college. One pitch, where I saw nothing but the catchers glove, heard absolutely nothing, no chatter, no fans yellin… nothing. Threw the pitch, fastball outside corner, then finally heard our fans and team cheering.
never experienced it again.
That’s awesome! I love the corny romantic baseball movie “for love of the game” with Kevin Costner where he has some self mechanism to shut the outside noise from the stadium off as he is about to pitch! You hear about the game slowing down for you, I’d imagine that is what being locked in, unconscious shooting would help our guys with.
 
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Scarlet Shack

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Do any of our sports teams work with Sports Psychologists? I know pro golfers work with them because a large part of their game is mental and visualization. Executing to the best of their ability because each shot literally translates to $$$. I would think shooting a basketball and Kicking a FG in football it would also be beneficial to these type of athletes. All things considered, hard work and putting the practice in, all part of being the best at your position. I’m pretty sure sport has transcended the purely physical torture of Bobby Knight and Herb Brooks. Thoughts?

Shooting is more about muscle memory …..consistent form …and repetition ….
 

ScarletDave

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It’s not “hocus pocus” but actual biological mechanisms you can try to train to control which can help you in sports. “The zone” as a guy above said. I’ve experienced it also in racing where all of a sudden you become very hyper aware of your breathing, exact spots on the track you “feel” your momentum etc. Strange thing but the greatest athletes ie Steph Curry can literally physically control it better than others
 

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Shooting is more about muscle memory …..consistent form …and repetition ….
Everyone at this level has that, every shooter anyway. Aver msg board poaster would be shocked at how many reps a guy like Aundre Hyatt or even Mag get in a week.

Confidence, focus, having no fear of missing and mentally making every shot THE shot are what set great shooters apart.
 

Scarlet Shack

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Everyone at this level has that, every shooter anyway. Aver msg board poaster would be shocked at how many reps a guy like Aundre Hyatt or even Mag get in a week.

Confidence, focus, having no fear of missing and mentally making every shot THE shot are what set great shooters apart.
Oh, i am totally aware

And anyone who does not think how much the pressure , adrelene, and mental push game days causes needs to study free throw shooting form from players and compare foul shots ….

It’s amazing (but subtle) on how inconsistent free throw shooter are in their form, especially in the use of their legs after being on the court , which impacts the form in a major way

Then , take thar x 100, when trying to shoot a three point shot from 6 feet further away, when the ball may not come to the hand nicely or in a good spot , and you have someone chasing you and have limited time to shoot it

The practice repetition is critical to trying to achieve , as close as possible , the same form on a shot….
 

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December 1990, I had overslept and got to my men’s league bball game right before tipoff. I was a starter so I went right into the game, no warmups. I was well-rested and really relaxed, in a great mood. Had no time to think or wonder if my shots would fall, felt no stress of any kind.

First play of the game, I hit a foul line jumper, nothing but net. It felt so good, I was elevating easily and so focused because in my mind I was there to have fun. Next shot pull-up jumper in the lane, swish. I didn’t realize guys started feeding me at that point. I had no idea who was covering me, and I don’t even think I looked to see who it was. I didn’t care.

When I finally missed a shot, I came out for a sub, guys were patting me on the back and our coach said, “Billy, wtf was that?” I had no idea what he was talking about. I said, “Whattaya mean?” and he said, “You just scored 15 points in about 3 minutes!” I knew I was doing well but I really had no concept of time or score. Apparently I made 7 shots in a row, the last one being an And1 where I made the free throw.

We won the game but I was very mediocre the rest of the way. So my time ‘in the zone’ lasted all of 3 minutes. I do remember feeling like the basket was right in front of me, and at every release point I knew it was going in.

Psychologically, I tried to duplicate that experience, of being relaxed, carefree, and focused. But I never found myself in the zone again, even if I made a few shots in a row. It just wasn’t that same dreamlike feeling.

About 5 years later, I watched Damon Santiago take over a game at the RAC, including the game winner, and I remember saying to my seat mates, “He’s in the zone, he’s dreaming!” Felt good to know first-hand what that meant, and to share that.
 

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Small details perfected in your workouts and practice make all the difference. Games should be enjoyed, not stressful. It's the hardest thing to teach as a coach. That's the psychology part.
I loved every minute being on a football or baseball field(was never much of a basketball guy). I was lucky enough to have had some really great folks as coaches when I was young.
The "zone" is 100% a thing. Anybody lucky enough to have had the experience will tell you there is nothing like it.
 

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Two of the other things the sports psychologist talked about regaining focus. He brought up John Smoltz in a WS game. He lost his focus and command, then at one point got the ball back from the catcher up high, and just held his arm above his head, and brought it all back. I believe the return to focus was Andy Pettitte when his hat came down low.... nothing but the catcher.

He also mentioned the super relax that people get while highway driving. We've all done it. All of sudden you look up and realized 20 miles have passed by that you don't remember. I don't remember the exact correlation though, because I know for me, my mind is usually in 20 different places when I realize I missed the last 20 miles.
 

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In the 16th century a fella by the name of Sir Francis Bacon helped formulate THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD of observation, hypothesis, test, analysis and conclusion. Upon which, all of western civilizations advances were/are predicated. In the late 19th century, one of pillars of modern thought (along with Darwin and Marx) Freud postulated a talking cure. Results were uneven, frustrating and without the rigor of double blind testing to prove efficacy. Fast forward to today and people (aka "rubes') talk about going to "therapy" to cure everything from a bad marriage to an inconsistent putter.
Objective results, such as reduction in suicide, employment or stable family ten years after therapy are notoriously difficult - because they do not show the talking cure is better than lithium or other drugs. I'm not against therapy of it makes people feel good, but I think it is more on par with a good massage than a medical treatment. Without the lattice of science, therapists are inexact, unreproducible, speculative. This is not science. There maybe some are to it, but like the masseuse is in general an artist and results are not dependable.
 
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Not everyone will be a believer that the subconscious mind controls 90%-95% of our reactions, intuition, imagination, belief in our abilities and emotions. Every player when you get to Elite level of D1 or Pro Athlete will have gone through millions of reps. When my kids were 10, their coaches would tell them to shoot 300-500 shots on their own at home everyday , not including all the reps they would take in practice. By the time a D1 athlete hits the field, court, track, mat, they will take hundreds of thousands more shots, swings, pitches, runs etc whatever their sport may be. The mind’s eye I am a believer is a real thing. As others have alluded to above, you are “in the zone” where all of the reps you have taken, your subconscious takes over and you execute without any thought of anyone around you.

How else do you explain Reggie Jackson in the 1977 WS hitting 3 HRs in 1 game, when what is thought to be the best of that year opposing you is trying to strike you out. The ball must look like a beach ball coming out you in slow motion rather than a BB getting shot at you at 90+ mph. Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and other greats could probably attest. The mind’s eye is certainly a real thing and not hocus pocus.
 
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In the 16th century a fella by the name of Sir Francis Bacon helped formulate THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD of observation, hypothesis, test, analysis and conclusion. Upon which, all of western civilizations advances were/are predicated. In the late 19th century, one of pillars of modern thought (along with Darwin and Marx) Freud postulated a talking cure. Results were uneven, frustrating and without the rigor of double blind testing to prove efficacy. Fast forward to today and people (aka "rubes') talk about going to "therapy" to cure everything from a bad marriage to an inconsistent putter.
Objective results, such as reduction in suicide, employment or stable family ten years after therapy are notoriously difficult - because they do not show the talking cure is better than lithium or other drugs. I'm not against therapy of it makes people feel good, but I think it is more on par with a good massage than a medical treatment. Without the lattice of science, therapists are inexact, unreproducible, speculative. This is not science. There maybe some are to it, but like the masseuse is in general an artist and results are not dependable.