Not sure if these were posted earlier as they are a couple days old. Could be taken as a not too subtle shot to our defensive style, but we'll see.
Conversations on B1G Officiating
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Gotta work on telling players to fix shirts before biggest foul shots of game. Gotta ice shooter.
"Tackle basketball"? Who could they be referring to?
That was hilarious then the other ref chimed in too. The refs are a clown show
That's been the league for years, though - there's always been a ton of contact. Whether it's banging underneath, moving screens up top, hacking penetrating guards, pushing along the sideline, etc. We've taken advantage of that overall environment - but the plenty of fouling by plenty of teams over the years we've been in the league that has gone uncalled. And then suddenly the elite big from some highly seeded team gets some quick fouls in the tournament, and they collapse early.
I have noticed a few new faces. Part of the issue is that these guys work nearly every night of the week during the season and are in constant travel mode. Has to be a bit of grind but I assume this is their primary source of income for the year? Probably the toughest game to officiate. Just be consistent once you set the tone for the evening.
I actually think the BE is as rough when it come to no blood no foul.
I actually think the BE is as rough when it come to no blood no foul.
Agreed. But the “we need to ref like the NCAA tournament“ line is just an excuse. There was no more grittier or more physical conference than the old Big East back in the 80’s and early 90’s and they dominated the Tournament.
That is a great example of how they have NO idea what matters.
Is that what they talk about in meetings?
"guys, when we have game deciding free throws. the most important thing to look for... is the shooters shirt tucked"
Imagine a power point slide with that?
It's going to be on all the highlight shows and we want the whole nation to know, the Big Ten tucks shirts.
Last night's game vs NW was a perfect example of the inconsistency of B1G refs. Very few fouls called on either team in the first half, then all of a sudden a bunch of ticky tack fouls in the second half. I wonder what the refs do or say to each other at halftime? How can a coach tell his team how aggressive to play when he has no feel for how the refs will be calling the games?
This is a real problem with reffing
100% and it's almost NBA like where the refs think their job is to get the game close at the end and give the home team their chance.
When Pike's publicly bitching..which I hear he did for the 3rd time last night, you know its an issue.
The NBA is more and more entertainment and not really about the sport.
College hoops is heading in that direction.
That was my first thought, that other coaches don't like our physicality. Not strictly about us, but if the coaches made a poster with the preeminent tackling team, they'd put us on it even though we are (cough cough) completely innocent.
It's also a complaint I've seen directed at Wisconsin and Michigan State by other fanbases.
The issue is the same one as in Major League Baseball. If an ump calls “high strikes” in the first five innings, you expect that he will continue to call them in the latter innings. As long as the calls are consistent throughout the game, and apply to both teams, no one has reason to complain. I have a real problem in basketball when a player charges at the end of the game, the ref doesn’t call it although he called similar plays earlier on, and the announcer says “good no call, the ref shouldn’t decide the game.”
You know at half time the head coach is telling the ref, this guy is grabbing his player all game, this guy is bumping,
moving his pivot foot etc
You put that thought in the refs head and then he looks for it, either consciously or not
The Big 10 has some of the worst reffing in college basketball. How many conferences have game deciding screw ups that get apologies from the league office. Try watching a game in the SEC or even more so our west , in the PAC 12 , WCC, Mountain West. The officials let the layers play and there is a minimum of the ticky tack fouls and they try real hard not to inject themselves into the game and become the headline of the evening. The BIG 10 refs do the opposite and inject themselves too much with a bunch of egomaniacs . It is damning and the fact that Terry Wymer is in charge is part of the problem as he called bulshit ticky tack all the time. It is becoming more of a story as at least 5-6 coaches are talking about it now. Even Pike let out a smirk last night. It is ridiculous. These refs have to be drilled on the words , “ Play on”. The players will understand. Coaches will not be pissed as long as their is consistency and one team isn’t called for all the fouls .
Ask fans of each of the 32 conferences, and they'll tell you that their referees are the worst. You probably don't see issues while watching other games if you don't have a rooting interest in them...especially since there is plenty of crossover between conferences.
The best way to tell which conference is using the best officials would be to look at postseason assignments. Who is getting NCAA games, and more importantly, who is advancing to the second weekend and the final four. Those are the guys that are grading out the highest as the best officials. And if you're a Big Ten fan, you see plenty of familiar faces.
Also, the whole "the Big Ten is officiated much differently than the NCAA Tournament" is such a load of crap in my opinion. Especially when you've got what most would consider "Big Ten refs" doing games involving Big Ten teams in the NCAA. Like, is Larry Scirotto or DJ or Earl Walton calling things completely differently night in and night out vs when they put on the whistle in an NCAA game?
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who saw that. Thought it was total BS and that official is a POS
And we are supposed to ignore it or not comment on it. I know Pike couldn’t get a T there but he would have been right to go ballistic.
Just Exhibit 1A of the awfulness of Officiating against RU.
Exhibit 2: Sudden enforcement of flopping rule.
Exhibit 3: Flopping rule implemented to make it easy to determine if there was a legitimate charge. Refs now using flopping rule on RU player who was hit while shooting a three!
Exhibit 4: Two best defensive teams in league. Foul discrepancy of 13-4 and NW in double bonus for more than half of 2nd half
Won’t even mention phantom calls on Cam, no calls on Cliff being abused or Caleb being hand checked and pushed out of bounds and called for being out.
B1G obviously disagrees and last time I looked B1G hasn’t won a championship in 22 years. So just maybe where there’s smoke there is fire.
Can you imagine if Bobby Knight saw that?
Word on the street is that @huskersalways is plowing his way out of his estate and making his way to B1G HQs to accept the job of HRIC (head ref in charge). I have it on good authority that his first order of business will be to fire all the refs and replace them with nobody, thus shortening the games by a half hour and improving the viewer experience by a factor of three.
Yet the BIG has had 7 teams in the title game...I think the "cause and effect" is pretty off when you consider that fact, unless you're arguing that the title game itself is called complete differently. Which would be interesting because when I look at guys that have done recent title games, I see names like Kimble, Oglesby, Boroski, and Wymer.
Again after 22 years….it’s a factor. I think being last Championship tourney played is a factor too. Least rest, least prep time. Big East schools get extra day. They have done well. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Food for thought.
The frustrating thing is the officials clearly don't understand what is incidental contact and what impacts a play.
Last night, Cliff couldn't move to the 3-point line to set a screen without a wrestling match. That should be a foul.
Call the impactful fouls, don't call the incidental stuff that doesn't make a difference - the problem is the officials have no idea which is which. Seems like that's a teachable thing.
Last night, Cliff couldn't move to the 3-point line to set a screen without a wrestling match. That should be a foul.
Call the impactful fouls, don't call the incidental stuff that doesn't make a difference - the problem is the officials have no idea which is which. Seems like that's a teachable thing.
Want some cheese with that whine?
Flopping is a point of emphasis this year, so they're calling it more and all 3 flop calls were correct - Paul simply needs to stop faking fouls. And no idea where you get this 13-4 foul disparity nonsense. Was 3 fouls on RU in the first half to 4 on NW and the second half was 12 fouls on RU to 8 fouls on NW to get to 15-12, overall. Horrible discrepancy, lol. We didn't get a foul called on us for the first 14 minutes of the game, yet I didn't see you complain about that once.
I do agree that the refs were inconsistent with barely calling anything in the first and then tightening things up in the 2nd half, which we responded late to. Cam's fouls were all earned and they clearly just let the big guys bang, as there was only 1 foul called on both Cliff and Nicholson (and both looked like they committed more). The Caleb OOB play was a foul on the NW guy - one of the few really bad calls I saw all game.
Like it or not, Paul has developed a reputation. He won’t be getting the benefit of the doubt.
They need to shut up and stop crying before they ruin the sport like college football and pro basketball.
Knock it off and play friggen basketball. No one wants to see showboat/3 pointer derby. If I did, I'd watch the terrible NBA. But I stick to BIG basketball and NHL hockey all winter.
"Modernize"
STFU
Knock it off and play friggen basketball. No one wants to see showboat/3 pointer derby. If I did, I'd watch the terrible NBA. But I stick to BIG basketball and NHL hockey all winter.
"Modernize"
STFU
Game by game I don’t know what to expect. Against Indiana they kept flopping and we were called for I think 5+ charges. Last night flopping was a Technical. We won both so who cares.
Same with Football and all of the offensive PI calls the Nebraska game. That did cost us the game however so I cared more.
Same with Football and all of the offensive PI calls the Nebraska game. That did cost us the game however so I cared more.
Yet it's the least entertaining pro league we have. I'd watch an extra innings 0-0 baseball game before a 127-110 NBA game. What a joke that league is.
But again...the Big Ten has put 7 teams in the title game in the past 22 years, and the Big East has put 6. Do you really think that the Big Ten title game ending 19 hours after the Big East title game in mid-March has any impact on the results of those games in April?
When the ref called for cams t shirt I really started to let myself wonder if the Big Ten is going for the made-for-tv model and the fix was in. Unbelievable
That’s not the issue!! It’s the entire tourney in general.
Iowa winning four games in four days and last team to win a tourney championship just might be spent for next game. Think they would have liked another day to rest and prepare? Maybe they go on a run?
MSU and UCLA in a play in game. Maybe MSU wins that close OT game and they go a run to the Final Four. Instead it’s UCLA who goes. Maybe last tourney played is a factor.
Maybe an even more rested Purdue beats a St. Pete’s or another day of prep for 2nd round games?
UConn and Nova have done just fine with Saturday night tourney wins.
22 years without a championship. 67 tourney games a year. Thousands of league games. 20 game schedules. Most time zone changes? Just maybe it might be the officiating or maybe the date of championship when parity is so close. Is that beyond the realm of possibility?
Yup - what points of emphasis should be - freedom of movement away from the ball, contact on ballhandlers, contact on shooters, offense displacing defenders
what point of emphasis are: tucked in shirts, flopping
If you want to stop flopping, call charges and other fouls without guys having to flop, you didn't need a new rule
Flopping happens when refs are generally bad at calling fouls. Flopping then makes it even harder to call fouls correctly, which leads to more flopping.
Flopping rules are designed to punish players for a problem caused by fundamental failures of officiating.
Umpire and Ref HS baseball, softball and basketball. Had a partner for Varsity softball double header and had a chance to speak with my partner between games. He does some B1G men’s basketball; about 10 a year, when he told me what those guys make per game, I spit out the water I was drinking. They are very well compensated, they need to be more consistent imho.