1 last thing: was it a set play???

[SBP]

To me it totally looked like he ran around and out of bounds on purpose then hooped in to catch and shoot, obviously thinking it was legal. If so, that’s some cheating **** by coaches.

Might be reading too much into it, just an observation.

 

[kcg88]

It was probably set up to be between those two but McConnell pushing everything to the sideline kind of blew it up. But I think McConnell's internal clock was off because he froze (so as to not be called for a foul on the shot) too early. Once Thornton got by him, Mag had to step up off of Holden so that Thornton didn't have a clean look.

 

[RUnTeX]

Nahh, looks like he just drifted while looking to keep himself open for a passing lane along the sideline.

 

[BillyC80]

To me it totally looked like he ran around and out of bounds on purpose then hooped in to catch and shoot, obviously thinking it was legal. If so, that’s some cheating **** by coaches.

Might be reading too much into it, just an observation.

I had a similar thought. What player in that situation would allow themselves to drift completely out of bounds with both feet as the clock is running out? He was too casual about it.

Also, he had just been substituted in and that was his only shot of the game.

This sentence from the Ohio newspaper article pissed me off: “From in front of the Ohio State bench, Holden jumped in bounds, took a pass from Thornton, elevated and drained the shot.”

With only 3 seconds left, why is he standing out of bounds in front of his own bench to begin with?

Lastly, the OSU coach said after the game, “we practice those plays.”

 

[fluoxetine]

Even if somehow he did it on purpose, that’s not cheating. That’s what the refs are for.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Could not be on purpose. Nobody would do something So blatantly illegal on purpose and hope the refs miss it.

 

[BillyC80]

Could not be on purpose. Nobody would do something So blatantly illegal on purpose and hope the refs miss it.

This is true. Looking at the replay again, the OSU point guard makes a mistake, imo, by putting his head down and dribbling to the sideline, especially with Caleb on him.

I think Holden saw his PG getting trapped and went out of bounds to give his teammate some room to maneuver.

I think their PG was supposed to take the shot. What ensued was a series of very fortunate no-calls for OSU, with RU getting screwed by the refs.

 

[RU848789]

Absolutely not. Just an odd play with two missed calls by refs not doing their jobs and unfortunately neither ref error is reviewable.

 

[cm_13]

To me it totally looked like he ran around and out of bounds on purpose then hooped in to catch and shoot, obviously thinking it was legal. If so, that’s some cheating **** by coaches.

Might be reading too much into it, just an observation.

He was probably looking to stay a bit ahead and out wide of the ball handler. They just weren’t anticipating McConnell forcing the ball handler all the way to the sideline, so Holden ended up having to go out of bounds to keep the passing lane open

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

It wasn’t a design play but there is no doubt that the shot was made possible by the player’s conscious decision to go out of bounds. The momentum thing is not debatable, or as others say, it’s not “open to interpretation”. The video provides 100% clear evidence that the player chose to go out of bounds voluntarily to avoid getting caught in Mag’s screen and evade potential trap from Paul who was waiting on the other side.

The open look was quite literally made possible by his decision to go out of bounds. Holden doesn’t get the ball if he doesn’t step out.

 

[BillyC80]

It wasn’t a design play but there is no doubt that the shot was made possible by the player’s conscious decision to go out of bounds. The momentum thing is not debatable, or as others say, it’s not “open to interpretation”. The video provides 100% clear evidence that the player chose to go out of bounds voluntarily to avoid getting caught in Mag’s screen and evade potential trap from Paul who was waiting on the other side.

The open look was quite literally made possible by his decision to go out of bounds. Holden doesn’t get the ball if he doesn’t step out.

Well said.

 

[RUJMM78]

I had a similar thought. What player in that situation would allow themselves to drift completely out of bounds with both feet as the clock is running out? He was too casual about it.

Also, he had just been substituted in and that was his only shot of the game.

This sentence from the Ohio newspaper article pissed me off: “From in front of the Ohio State bench, Holden jumped in bounds, took a pass from Thornton, elevated and drained the shot.”

With only 3 seconds left, why is he standing out of bounds in front of his own bench to begin with?

Lastly, the OSU coach said after the game, “we practice those plays.”

In the second half Ohio State made two 3 pointers on opposite sides of the court where the shooter was very close to the out of bounds line.The end result was 6 points in a game that was decided by one point.

 

[richthedentist]

It was probably set up to be between those two but McConnell pushing everything to the sideline kind of blew it up. But I think McConnell's internal clock was off because he froze (so as to not be called for a foul on the shot) too early. Once Thornton got by him, Mag had to step up off of Holden so that Thornton didn't have a clean look.

He stepped up to Thornton because Holden was out of bounds and he was defending a shot by Thornton

 

[PiscatawayMike]

To me it totally looked like he ran around and out of bounds on purpose then hooped in to catch and shoot, obviously thinking it was legal. If so, that’s some cheating **** by coaches.

Might be reading too much into it, just an observation.

Gotta admit... this ran through my head, too... especially after I heard Chris Mack:

Former Xavier and Louisville head coach Chris Mack, interviewing Ohio State head coach Chris Holtmann following the game on Field of 68′s Big Ten Thursday’s show, said it’s a call referees never make.

“Do you know how many times, when teams run baseline-runner, the cutter steps out of bounds? You’re screaming to the official ‘he can’t touch the ball,’ the guy passes it to him as he comes off the cut and they never call it,” Mack said. “I don’t even know why it’s in the rulebook, to be honest."

Considering that refs never make the call, it made me think Holtmann may have instructed Holden (or any of his players, for that matter) to not worry about stepping out of bounds and coming back in because the odds of being penalized for it are basically nil.

 

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I had a similar thought. What player in that situation would allow themselves to drift completely out of bounds with both feet as the clock is running out? He was too casual about it.

Also, he had just been substituted in and that was his only shot of the game.

This sentence from the Ohio newspaper article pissed me off: “From in front of the Ohio State bench, Holden jumped in bounds, took a pass from Thornton, elevated and drained the shot.”

With only 3 seconds left, why is he standing out of bounds in front of his own bench to begin with?

Lastly, the OSU coach said after the game, “we practice those plays.”

....and we pay the refs.

MO

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

....and we pay the refs.

MO

they pay them more apparently

 

[Zak57]

Gotta admit... this ran through my head, too... especially after I heard Chris Mack:

Former Xavier and Louisville head coach Chris Mack, interviewing Ohio State head coach Chris Holtmann following the game on Field of 68′s Big Ten Thursday’s show, said it’s a call referees never make.

“Do you know how many times, when teams run baseline-runner, the cutter steps out of bounds? You’re screaming to the official ‘he can’t touch the ball,’ the guy passes it to him as he comes off the cut and they never call it,” Mack said. “I don’t even know why it’s in the rulebook, to be honest."

Considering that refs never make the call, it made me think Holtmann may have instructed Holden (or any of his players, for that matter) to not worry about stepping out of bounds and coming back in because the odds of being penalized for it are basically nil.

I mean this guy is wrong. No one in the last 20 years has this blatantly come from out of bounds to receive a pass and shoot without a ref calling it. Yeah sure sometimes there are players that probably touch the line like Thornton did before the pass but the shooter could have been in the stands he was so far out. Will never listen to this guy again if I see him on TV.

 

[Luvscarletknights]

To me it totally looked like he ran around and out of bounds on purpose then hooped in to catch and shoot, obviously thinking it was legal. If so, that’s some cheating **** by coaches.

Might be reading too much into it, just an observation.

Bill bellicik? gray area BS. I think it was designed so they would not guard him since out of bounds. They got away with it even with foot out of bounds by thornton.

 

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they pay them more apparently

@BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine

the first "WE" was referring to The OSU Coach's comments.

My response to your comment is now referring to US (Rutgers)....:we pay them "NIL" (pun intended).

MO

 

[cm_13]

It wasn’t a design play but there is no doubt that the shot was made possible by the player’s conscious decision to go out of bounds. The momentum thing is not debatable, or as others say, it’s not “open to interpretation”. The video provides 100% clear evidence that the player chose to go out of bounds voluntarily to avoid getting caught in Mag’s screen and evade potential trap from Paul who was waiting on the other side.

The open look was quite literally made possible by his decision to go out of bounds. Holden doesn’t get the ball if he doesn’t step out.

This is the most frustrating part about it. The only reason that passing lane was open and Holden was able to step right into a shot from that spot on the floor was because he was coming from out of bounds.

 

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This is the most frustrating part about it. The only reason that passing lane was open and Holden was able to step right into a shot from that spot on the floor was because he was coming from out of bounds.

And according to the comments attributed to OSU coach...they practiced that play. So OSU practices illegal plays and expects a return on invested time...and $?

MO

 

[RU-ROCS]

It was probably set up to be between those two but McConnell pushing everything to the sideline kind of blew it up. But I think McConnell's internal clock was off because he froze (so as to not be called for a foul on the shot) too early. Once Thornton got by him, Mag had to step up off of Holden so that Thornton didn't have a clean look.

Of course, Mag probably didn’t even see Thornton because he was THREE fu@king feet out of bounds!!!!!

 

[Scangg]

It wasn't a set play to run out of bounds

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

It wasn't a set play to run out of bounds

Of course not. But the thing is, it’s perfectly understandable that the refs may not have observed “why” Holden went out bounds real-time. They’d obviously be more focused on the ball than assessing at that time the voluntary nature of the decision.

 

[Luvscarletknights]

And according to the comments attributed to OSU coach...they practiced that play. So OSU practices illegal plays and expects a return on invested time...and $?

MO

Apparently a gray area....Espn late night explained that there was still some who would argue it is legal

 

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Apparently a gray area....Espn late night explained that there was still some who would argue it is legal

Yes, and some would argue that the Twinkie Defense in the murder trial of Harvey Milk was appropriate: It was then and it's now.

MO

 

[[email protected]]

Absolutely not. Just an odd play with two missed calls by refs not doing their jobs and unfortunately neither ref error is reviewable.

In this day and age....everything SHOULD be reviewable. Why put up with mediocrity at best, when we can get closer to perfection (thou never attaining it)?

MO

 

[4theknights]

I feel this was a set play by their coach. The kid is out of bounds and the coach is squatting behind him and making no attempt to wave him back in bounds. It was a desperation play and it worked for them. Paul is way off of him when he was OB and couldn’t react fast enough when the kid jumped back into bounds. IMO Big 10 should question Holtman and ask him if he intentionally drew up play to dupe the refs knowing they wouldn’t likely make the call.
Further investigation is needed and possible suspension for poor sportsmanship.

 

[SBP]

I feel this was a set play by their coach. The kid is out of bounds and the coach is squatting behind him and making no attempt to wave him back in bounds. It was a desperation play and it worked for them. Paul is way off of him when he was OB and couldn’t react fast enough when the kid jumped back into bounds. IMO Big 10 should question Holtman and ask him if he intentionally drew up play to dupe the refs knowing they wouldn’t likely make the call.
Further investigation is needed and possible suspension for poor sportsmanship.

My point/observation exactly. Right in front of their coach who was not moving, sort of like a pic from refs view