They're really gonna do this, aren't they?
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Moronic. Another sports league watering down the regular season in pursuit of the almighty dollar.
20 teams?? B1G with UCLA and USC is going to send like 12 teams
You already have a tournament including nearly every D1 team. Just win your conference tournament, and then 6-7 more games, and you're national champions. Simple.
It's really not a big deal folks, there are tons of basketball only schools who have ONE source of revenue and relevancy and its making the NCAAs.....if they get a small piece of the billion dollar pie, so be it, it's not going to be the end of the world.
You can have 4 days of 16 seeds, 11 and 12 seeds playing each other in Dayton and Indianapolis and avoid the disgrace of asking the RU Vs ND winner to play an OT game at midnight on Wednesday, to then travel to San Diego and play on a Friday afternoon.
Clean up the regions and add a couple more sites around the country that make sense for fans to actually travel to and give fans a viable chance to attend the games and you'll have a much better product.
You can have 4 days of 16 seeds, 11 and 12 seeds playing each other in Dayton and Indianapolis and avoid the disgrace of asking the RU Vs ND winner to play an OT game at midnight on Wednesday, to then travel to San Diego and play on a Friday afternoon.
Clean up the regions and add a couple more sites around the country that make sense for fans to actually travel to and give fans a viable chance to attend the games and you'll have a much better product.
They need to keep pace with football. Making a bowl game used to be very special - not so much anymore. Making the big dance will now be diluted.
Greed ruining everything. Same with the next world cup
You seem to think this will be executed rationally. Have you not been paying attention to how the ncaa works?
Only quibble - stop with the dumb 11/12 play-in.
Want to have play in games? Fine but make the actual worst teams play in them.
I saw an even worse proposal from Scott Drew to expand all the way to 128 teams. Part of his justification: it's just one more win to cut down the nets, and so many more players will be able to say they played in the NCAA tournament. But the achievement of being selected becomes less meaningful the easier it is to qualify. To steal from Tom Hanks' character in "A League of Their Own": it's supposed to be hard. That's what makes it great.
If they do this, get rid of conference tournaments or shrink the out of conference slate to shorten the season, and make the weekend before the tournament a ‘play-in weekend’ that leads to the field of 64 on Thursday. That preserves the immensely popular bracket pools, Thursday / Friday games, etc.
I guess what I’m saying is brand it as something slightly separate from the normal tournament field.
I guess what I’m saying is brand it as something slightly separate from the normal tournament field.
I'm confused by the feedback.
When I suggested making the playin all 16 seeds the response was "The tournament is about excitement and for the fans. It's not strictly about athletics."
Now all of a sudden the basketball integrity of the tournament is a thing?
Since when?
More games = more opportunities for upsets.
Expansion sounds right for the worst organized postseason tournament in the country.
When I suggested making the playin all 16 seeds the response was "The tournament is about excitement and for the fans. It's not strictly about athletics."
Now all of a sudden the basketball integrity of the tournament is a thing?
Since when?
More games = more opportunities for upsets.
Expansion sounds right for the worst organized postseason tournament in the country.
The field has been 68 teams for several years now, so that is already the norm. I have no problem with 11 and 12 seed teams playing in the extra early games to earn those last spots for at-large teams. I don't think any AQ teams should have to play before the round if 64, but that's not what the NCAA does now.
If AQ shouldn't play extra early games then seed them so they don't have to.
I'm not going down this insane rabbit hole again.
It's like CBB fans have never watched any other sporting event in the history of the world.
Point is that March Madness already is designed for excitement and not athletic competition.
Expanding isn't some affront to the tournament since it's already a dumb model designed for TV.
Katz had an interesting point on BTN yesterday. Current contract for tv runs thru 2032. No renegotiation, so if you had 20 teams each slice of the tv pie will be smaller.
I dont care to see 15-15 Vanderbilt or 19-11 Fresno St make the NCAA
You mean sporting events like professional sports playoffs where division winners can get a bye, or play at home, against wild card teams with better overall records that did not earn their playoff spot by winning their division? Being an automatic qualifier, or a division winner, should carry an advantage that being selected at large does not IMO. When the football playoffs expand to 12, will you complain if they reserve the four slots for teams getting byes to conference champions or independents? What if the 2nd best team in a conference is one of the top four teams in the country? Should they get a bye to the quarterfinals?
I agree it looks silly to have play-in games for 11 seed at-large teams I'd you don't have a play-in game for an at-large 12 seed
Does the money go to the individual B1G team or to the conference to be divided equally among all members after expenses like it does with football?
Right . A big Part of March madness is who is in and who is out . It makes the conference tournaments so much fun. More teams dilute that .
Mo money. Mo money. Mo money.
I don't object to the greed. It's easy enough to skip the games you don't want to watch. I just want to figure out how I can get my slice of the greedy pie is all.
I don't object to the greed. It's easy enough to skip the games you don't want to watch. I just want to figure out how I can get my slice of the greedy pie is all.
And what seeds are those division winners?
Exactly. They get seeded HIGHER.
No other sport gives a bye to a lower seed.
Want to reward AQ with no play-in? Fine.
Seed them all 1-32 or whatever.
Seed ND/Rutgers 15/16 if they are the last to qualify and make them play-in.
And yes, the upcoming 12 CFP is dumb.
No problem saying "AQ matters above all. They get the higher seeds and bye".
But it's dumb to say only 4 AQ matter - the other 2 get seeded 11 and 12.
Either make AQ matter or not.
But but the upsets!
How is including the #60 (approx) team "duluting" but including the #100 (approx) team not diluting (AQ from a 1 bid conference)?
If dilution is the problem, get rid of the bad teams.
But nobody actually cares about dilution.
The people that make the decisions don't care about dilution - they care about $$$$$$$
That’s not what Katz said. Contract amounts fixed thru 2032. Maybe he knows what he’s talking about, maybe not.
Ticket revenue should go up, I guess.
Why should the winner of the Southwestern Athletic Conference get something an at-large team doesn't? They're lucky to be in the tournament at all.
Pro sports are not a good analogy because they are not systematically unbalanced in the way that college sports are.