I've said if often , many of our fans contribute tons with their mouths and little with their pocketbooks. The worst are those that ***** about losing. As was mentioned in the Politi article those worst offenders should look in the mirror.
Harsh reality about NIL
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I respect your position. In all candor, I don't entirely agree with it, but passion is passion.
More than anything, I believe that NIL is a perfect example of the tale of the Zen Master and the little boy.
We'll see.
We all have admiration for you for various reasons Geo, but some of us may have personal beliefs that may not allow us to understand how greed (at the expense of everything else) is a human right and a good thing. Granted, we never walked in your shoes, and you never walked in ours.
The real problem as I see it is that NIL, I’m it’s current form, does not tap into the billion dollar industry to provide financial opportunities to players. Instead it demands that fans pony up and pay the players themselves, even as the industry is reaping unheard of levels of new revenues (see new B1G media rights deal).
it’s as if the NY Yankees stopped paying their players contracts, and demanded that fans donate to a coop to pay them, meanwhile all the ticket and media revenue the mlb club gets stays with them. It’s totally unrealistic as a long term model.
it’s as if the NY Yankees stopped paying their players contracts, and demanded that fans donate to a coop to pay them, meanwhile all the ticket and media revenue the mlb club gets stays with them. It’s totally unrealistic as a long term model.
In the future, NIL could cause college football to look more like college hockey. The number of D1 schools will eventually decrease once they realize they are irrelevant and decide funding football programs is pointless. High school kids will bail on high school to play for junior or semi-pro football teams before either going to the NFL or jumping to a power conference team. I just don’t see how or why colleges would continue to fund D1 football programs if they are shut out of playoffs and aren’t receiving any meaningful payouts.
The only greed in the entire equation was the ncaa which is why a court ruled unanimously in favor against them. Their operation was literally deemed illegal.
I get the fans perspective of ruining the purity of college sports. But nobody was pure in the business except the athletes.
the NCAA’s response to the court for not paying players was “the slavery loophole”
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Agreed. Once college athletes become employees (which is going to be a ******* mess) nil will be at its pure form. There will still be huge deals signed but it’ll be from big companies looking to get ROI and early partnership with future pros. It won’t be from donors.
On principle I won't engage in pay for play or paying for short term hired mercenaries just to make our teams better, but I'll probably still follow the teams. Maybe I'll have to adapt from winning that makes me happy, to being happy that our dedicated players gave all that they had, despite the outcome.... For some of us, the end may not justify the means. Just sayin'.....
You can ship it to Monaco on one of those yacht barges and spend the 3 months doing inland cool things… Appalachian Trail 1/2 a thru-hike, Everest, take up NASCAR, raising NIL funds via bake sales.
. But seriously I’m impressed you’re planning to sail transatlantic… 2x per year!I always laugh when people say NIL is against their beliefs. No problem paying coaches, scholarships or building unnecessary buildings, but paying the people who actually do all the work is where the line is drawn! Lmao
Totally agree with your opinion, as long as you, and other collegiate athletes have no problem paying the school back for everything you received in scholarships and other financial benefits that were exclusive to collegiate athletes. Just pocket change, right?
Good luck with Rutgers Athletics abandoning their fundraising efforts.
They will literally be receiving nearly $100m a year but require mandatory donations and such.
I’m confused on your point. NIL isn’t funded by the school so that doesn’t lead to anyone paying the school back.
if college athletes become employees p5 will probably break off from everyone else and could see scholarships going away for sure if that’s what you’re saying.
Or supporting Rutgers Athletics at all.
Literally the only reason USC and UCLA were invited was greed and more money.
Nothing personal, but if you can't understand how the unrestricted paying of "the people who actually do all the work" ( in addiition to all the financial and other benefits they receive as scholarship players) might cause ambivalent feelings in some fans, then there may be be a lot of people laughing at you too.
I have followed Rutgers since I was a child. I attended the infamous Alabama game at Giants Stadium. Since I graduated I have been a season ticket holder for 30 years in football and basketball. I have donated to the school what I can. I have watched and endured futility and hopelessness in both sports. I have watched both sports attain a success I did not think was possible. I witnessed the pipe dream of entering the Big 10 and Rutgers finally getting a place at the big boy table
I despise the NIL. I realize that its here to stay and college sports forever will be changed. I will support Rutgers until I lose interest. I have no intention of giving my money to NIL
If that makes me a bad fan so be it. I will continue to voice my opinion as someone who has been with Rutgers for all my life
I despise the NIL. I realize that its here to stay and college sports forever will be changed. I will support Rutgers until I lose interest. I have no intention of giving my money to NIL
If that makes me a bad fan so be it. I will continue to voice my opinion as someone who has been with Rutgers for all my life
You can ship it to Monaco on one of those yacht barges and spend the 3 months doing inland cool things… Appalachian Trail 1/2 a thru-hike, Everest, take up NASCAR, raising NIL funds via bake sales.
That would defeat the purpose, for me. I'm more into the actual sailing than the sightseeing. Our plan is for the wife to jet across to wherever and we'll do the sightseeing together, but she has firmly passed on the sailing. One of those "You have fun with that" sort of things.
I laugh at hypocrites.
So you’re ok with unrestricted paying of coaches, just not players.
You’re ok with compensating players via scholarship, which is a completely arbitrary amount, but not a penny more!
I mean do you listen to yourself? I’m willing to bet that in the past you found yourself wishing Rutgers had “bagmen” like LSU.
No I’m with him.
It’s either ignorance or hypocrisy.
Against “paying players”?
You readily admit they are being paid already (scholarship, room, access to facilities). So it’s matter of level of compensation. Well now the compensation includes direct money opportunities.
Against “greed and money ruining college sports”? Explain why Rutgers was invited or any other conference expansion - purely for more media money.
Against “uneven playing field. NIL only benefits the elites”?
Explain the love playing field is NIL is banned tomorrow. What’s our media revenue compared to Temple?
Fine - pool all media money and distribute across all of D-1. Or ban all AD donations. Make all ADs just survive on their equal revenue shares.
Free education...tutoring...life experience..travel..and an incredible network of opportunity
Thats invaluable
Some even treated like rock stars
Athletes work incredibly hard to get where they can be on scholorship so no one can take that away from them
We are what we are. We are now an audition for kids to make a name for themselves in hopes of getting a bigger pay day.
This is all getting uglier by the day. It's no longer about school or what's on the chest.
Now it's just about money, and we don't play that game very well. College sports were fun while they lasted but the fat lady is singing.
If I am going to watch professionals play, it's not going to be the one's in some developmental league. I prefer to watch the best ones.
This is all getting uglier by the day. It's no longer about school or what's on the chest.
Now it's just about money, and we don't play that game very well. College sports were fun while they lasted but the fat lady is singing.
If I am going to watch professionals play, it's not going to be the one's in some developmental league. I prefer to watch the best ones.
This is a great thread guys - love all the hate. Keep it up!
-Satan
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Every NIL thread: It's about the name on the front! Athletes have no value on their own!
Every thread about the coaching staff: It's all about the players and the talent! Can't expect the coaching staff to do anything without talent on the field!
So tell me again that the players are interchangeable?
Every thread about the coaching staff: It's all about the players and the talent! Can't expect the coaching staff to do anything without talent on the field!
So tell me again that the players are interchangeable?
I would have no problem with some of the massive profits that the NCAA, the conferences, and possibly individual schools make being divided EVENLY between all collegiate athletes, without hired mercenaries going to the highest outside bidders that include bidders unafilliated with the schools... The richest fans and boosters, or the fans and boosters most desperate for a feeling of self-worth or superiority from success of a sports team they follow, shouldn't be involved in determining scholastic athletic outcomes in that way, at least not LEGALLY.... JMO
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I am also against 5 media time outs per half. Rutgers being in B1G. Games at 930PM. Coaches getting paid 3,000,000.
I usually disagree with bac's politics, but I've always had great respect and appreciation for his sports related comments. If I was his next door neighbor, I'd still invite him over for food and a few beers and to watch an RU game, and hopefully my moderately liberal body wouldn't turn up in an obscure meadowlands landfill a few days later...
And naturally some of us think the same thing about your comments. Different strokes for different folks.
Last sentence hit it on the head. Scholarship was earned. And every human is earned the right to make money from their name too.
i know we will never agree on this lol but i like to argue as you can probably tell by now.
So much pessimism, I don’t feel it all and I still like the sport. Nothing changes for me. We just had a G5 school qualify for a 4 team playoff, my goodness. Now the playoffs will be going to 12 so even more opportunity for schools lower in status to try to lift themselves. Somewhere down the line, who knows maybe even 16.
I just saw comments from the ACC commish in support of expanding the NCAA tourney, which echo similar thoughts from Sankey earlier this year about exploring expansion of the tourney. I mean that’s a lot even for a CFP pro expansion guy like me. Beyond 68 is quite a bit but auto bids will not change and small conferences will still get there reps in there. I’m seeing expanded opportunity for schools not less.
I just saw comments from the ACC commish in support of expanding the NCAA tourney, which echo similar thoughts from Sankey earlier this year about exploring expansion of the tourney. I mean that’s a lot even for a CFP pro expansion guy like me. Beyond 68 is quite a bit but auto bids will not change and small conferences will still get there reps in there. I’m seeing expanded opportunity for schools not less.
You were waiting for that huh
i appreciate you guys keeping me on my toes. New nil deal with jalen Miller and cam Spencer just posted to my Twitter if anyone is interested!
While I disagree with you on NIL...you are incredibly passionate about this and from the perspective of athletes are making a positive change through your leadership.
But NIL is just not my thing. But things change evolve. Maybe at some point the NCAA and schools can iron something out that will make things more equitable for everyone and palpable for those who are resisting change.
In some ways now Rutgers is back where they were pre Big 10.
NIL will eventually lead to the collapse of college football. As much as I hate the NCAA, what would the players do without it and the colleges that fund the football programs? As far as I’m concerned let the NIL players all go play in the NFL minor leagues. I can live without college football especially when the team I’ve supported for 20+ years will never be able to compete with the likes of OSU, Alabama, etc. I’ll just attend more Rutgers lax, wrestling, soccer, etc. instead.
I usually disagree with bac's politics, but I've always had great respect and appreciation for his sports related comments. If I was his next door neighbor, I'd still invite him over for food and a few beers and to watch an RU game, and hopefully my moderately liberal body wouldn't turn up in an obscure meadowlands landfill a few days later...
One on one you will find i am very common sense on politics
NOW TAKE THIS RED PILL!
The kid who makes an app is working at something other than being a student. They can get a regular job or start a business and if their needs based they have to give up the scholarship. That’s outside the school activity. The app example is incredibly rare and not systematic. Student athletes get scholarships to play for the school. Their pay is not because they are great academically but because they can play a sport. To then go out a monetize playing the sport which they are already paid for is inconsistent with the other examples. It also doesn’t place value on all of the other benefits athletes get by playing a sport including general perks, coaching with a shot at the next level. Most never make i and so the “free” degree is what they get paid. The academic scholarship is working in a different way.
This is wrong. An academic scholarship is because they are excellent academically yes.
just as an athletic scholarship means excellent in athletics.
if one can make an app and get paid then so should another. If i wanted to make an athlete app with my name attached to it before NIL it wasn’t allowed. I would have to forfeit my scholarship whereas someone on academic scholarship would not have.
none of my nil deals had anything to do with my sport. I got paid for promoting brands and making appearances. Not for playing basketball. I built my brand because i was a “good” basketball player and very social but i was never paid to play the sport.
what you are saying is if they get paid to play basketball for the school then they shouldn’t also be getting the scholarship. I already agreed to that.
so, yes i stand by my original example
When have we ever been able to compete with the likes of Alabama or OSU or anyone on that level. We’re in the exact same spot as far as that’s concerned.
If anything our opportunity is about to get better with more resources from the B10 that schools like BC, Cuse, WVU etc won’t have. Also the playoffs will be expanded to 12, maybe 16 down the line, and that opens up a door for lower status schools to raise their profiles.
WF just beat FSU 3 times in a row and in Tallahassee. Who would’ve thought that was possible when Bowden was killing the ACC. Compare the recruiting classes of FSU to WF too, there’s still quite a gap in rankings. KSU has beaten OU 3 of 4 and in Norman too. Here we are and those things are happening. Opportunity is as good as it’s ever been imo.
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You should visit other team’s sites to understand how unpopular your opinion is
You know I love college football as a regular in the weekly game threads. But there's only one team I truly devote most of my time to, Rutgers. Until something changes with the free for all unregulated pay for play NIL, it will be the death kneel that keeps Rutgers down for the foreseeable future.
I really don't give two sh*ts about other schools or their players. This Pay for play move directly impacts Rutgers and will continue to make us a laughingstock. This has become nothing but the playing ground for the rich, these collectives are peanuts compared to them.