Rutgers NIL needs you....NOW

[NickRU714]

He asked for money to get things built like the indoor football center. He wasn’t asking for money to pay players directly.

Potato/Potato

He asked for money to help him recruit better athletes.
IPF, NIL, helicopter to make an entrance during recruiting.

NIL is just another expense now that is the burden of the fanbase.

For some reason, despite making hundreds of millions all universities still expect donors to help foot the bill and skew the landscape.

Make OSU, UM, PSU and RU all operate on a level field (ONLY conference revenue - no donor money).

 

[NickRU714]

Newsflash, yes they do, that has been a sore point for a lot of people, booing scholarship athletes.

If I “booed”, which I don’t, I advise those people to not care if someone is upset you booed a scholarship athlete.

Too many people on both sides trying to clutch pearls and define a “true fan”.

Note - as a poor college senior I flew out to Arizona for the Insight Bowl
#TrueFan

 

[Section124]

Potato/Potato

He asked for money to help him recruit better athletes.
IPF, NIL, helicopter to make an entrance during recruiting.

NIL is just another expense now that is the burden of the fanbase.

For some reason, despite making hundreds of millions all universities still expect donors to help foot the bill and skew the landscape.

Make OSU, UM, PSU and RU all operate on a level field (ONLY conference revenue - no donor money).

I always imagined NIL to be more what Jeremy Bloom was trying to do back in the early 2000's. He was part of the US National Ski Team and University of Colorado football team (WR). In order to ski, he needed to be funded. The NCAA didn't like that for football and ruled him ineligible. In short most Olympic athletes get sponsored by corporations for that funding. Their job was to solicit sponsors, wear the sponsors logo and show up at corporate events. I guess the current NIL (ex. KTR) is trying to be like but this feels more like payments for no show jobs (which is why I preferred the old system where it was just under the table). I am all for the kids making as much as possible, but thought they would need to make more of an effort in trying to get the NIL deals (like the earlier NIL deals).

 

[RUAldo]

1) most of these athletes are a lot smarter and more driven to succeed than you give them credit for.
2) they are EXTREMELY appreciative of Rutgers and their opportunity to get a great education for free.
3) most of the Rutgers athletes that I know are getting KTR NIL have already graduated and are going for their masters degree.

I get the impression that you don’t know a lot about athlete admission standards. Even Ivy League schools lower admission requirements for athletes as long as the sports program can maintain a certain average score. And the athlete academic support programs are the real unsung heroes. I’m not suggesting there aren’t intelligent football players that would have been granted admission even if they had no athletic ability. But, they are not the majority. And that’s not just RU it’s across D1 football. I’m sure there is stat somewhere but if you compared the average test scores of athletes granted admission vs. non-athletes you’d probably be shocked. And I’ll be the first to admit that I prefer well-rounded students that play a sport. I just don’t think they should get paid to play that sport for a university that is already granting them admission and giving them a free education.

 

[Frida's Boss]

Cool. First, when I am talking about R athletes, I am talking about all R athletes. I generally agree with a good part of what you said.

I am fine with NIL to athletes in addition to schollies, as long as there are common sense regulations that are enforced. I hope the enforcement starts sometime soon.

Who will enforce or design these regulations?

 

[RUScrew85]

I've said this before and I see it in the reverse. We're in a better place than we've ever been and opportunity is there to improve.

We're in a top notch stable conference and will be getting more money than most. We'll be in a better spot than Cuse, BC, WVU, Pitt, WSU, TT, etc..and teams of our status on the landscape.

Also the playoffs are going to expand, hopefully to 16. I've given examples of teams of lower status getting in or really close in a 12 and 16 playoff model. Again more opportunity than the past.

By and large, IMO things will be status quo but the opportunity is there for more, whether we take advantage of it or not is another story.

I'll give this example from the past with regards to all the angst on the board with regards to NIL, portal etc.. This past example at least kind of deserved it. With each round of defections from the BE, this board went all kinds of crazy with doom and gloom etc.. I said all along with each round of defections I think we'll be okay and get into the B10 before the next tv deal. No inside info or anything, I'm just Joe Nobody Idiot, just educating guessing about the landscape. Of course, we did get in. Point being, I think this place can get all kinds of crazy and melodramatic over stuff but in the end things will be fine. Worst case, I see status quo, best case we have a chance to improve ourselves on the landscape.

Then the NIL and unlimited transfers cause players to treat schools like RU as auditions for the big 20 or so in the country. Once we NIL some talent that improves the team it NILs right out the door for more NIL and a better team. Fans realize the futility of the new environment for schools like RU. Support drops. The top 20 extend their leads over the rest.

These new changes aren't a reshuffling of the cards like the conference re-orgs of the recent past. This is a whole new ball game where in the best case RU FB fans are cheering for mercenary players with no connection to the school who move on as soon as a better opportunity presents itself.

Imagine a talented young QB prospect comes to RU. Throws 20 TDs vs. 5 INTs and runs for 11 more in the first 8 or 9 games. A richer team with a weak QB bench and a final year QB leaving contacts our QB and offers $400K worth of NIL $$$ for next year before game 10 of this season as long as he isn't hurt before his year is over.

Adios young QB. Hell does he even play the last couple of regular season games and risk his promised big money?

Now a question, were the RU NIL payers to this young QB chumps?

 

[Frida's Boss]

I’ll summarize and close out my participation in this thread with this post:

1. I don’t fault players seeking compensation or trying to maximize their compensation. Many of these kids come from poor to modest financial backgrounds, and I would never fault someone from taking advantage of an opportunity afforded to them to improve their family’s situation.

2. The allure of college athletics to an alumni (at least to me) is a connection to the student athletes and university. Prior to NIL and the Penn State led effort to unionize and demand a share of media rights (demand was their chosen verb), such a connection existed. While the variables may have been different for each, all of us chose RU for a set of uncompensated reasons to improve ourselves through education and access to more lucrative career opportunities. Granted, I can see non-alumni eagerly supporting these initiatives. But as an alumni who puts the school first, I struggle to do so.

3. I don’t fault contributors to NIL. The landscape has changed, and it’s not returning to the prior status quo. Nor am I trying to convince anyone what to do. Simply expressing my views as a supporter of the university, which is something I care deeply about.

4. Players who utilize free agency to maximize compensation are within their rights, and their is nothing immoral about such actions. But such actions are not, in my opinion, the action of a college athlete. It is the action of a semi-pro athlete regardless if said athlete attends classes as may be required, or not.

5. I dont wish to support semi-pro sports associated with Rutgers. Others, indeed the majority of posters, may not like the idea but are willing. No problem from my perspective to have differing views and to act on those views.

6. Finally, those asking posters with opposing views on this issue to keep their views silent are really just lending credence to the views they oppose. If those of us willing to walk away are wrong, why wring your hands about our arguments?

I enjoy supporting RU athletics, and would be happy to continue to if my assumptions above prove incorrect. But I fear the worst is yet to come, I suspect realignment will involve the extraction of the most successful teams into a national league of ~25, and everyone else will be in a second division. Think of the attempt in Europe a year ago to establish a super league of the continents best soccer clubs. Supporters pushed back strenuously, and the effort was abandoned, Does anyone thing fans of Ohio State or Alabama would do the same? I know my answer,

 

[RobertG]

Then the NIL and unlimited transfers cause players to treat schools like RU as auditions for the big 20 or so in the country. Once we NIL some talent that improves the team it NILs right out the door for more NIL and a better team. Fans realize the futility of the new environment for schools like RU. Support drops. The top 20 extend their leads over the rest.

These new changes aren't a reshuffling of the cards like the conference re-orgs of the recent past. This is a whole new ball game where in the best case RU FB fans are cheering for mercenary players with no connection to the school who move on as soon as a better opportunity presents itself.

Imagine a talented young QB prospect comes to RU. Throws 20 TDs vs. 5 INTs and runs for 11 more in the first 8 or 9 games. A richer team with a weak QB bench and a final year QB leaving contacts our QB and offers $400K worth of NIL $$$ for next year before game 10 of this season as long as he isn't hurt before his year is over.

Adios young QB. Hell does he even play the last couple of regular season games and risk his promised big money?

Now a question, were the RU NIL payers to this young QB chumps?

Isn't this happening now and happened in the past, except instead of money they are offering a chance to win championships?

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Then the NIL and unlimited transfers cause players to treat schools like RU as auditions for the big 20 or so in the country. Once we NIL some talent that improves the team it NILs right out the door for more NIL and a better team. Fans realize the futility of the new environment for schools like RU. Support drops. The top 20 extend their leads over the rest.

These new changes aren't a reshuffling of the cards like the conference re-orgs of the recent past. This is a whole new ball game where in the best case RU FB fans are cheering for mercenary players with no connection to the school who move on as soon as a better opportunity presents itself.

Imagine a talented young QB prospect comes to RU. Throws 20 TDs vs. 5 INTs and runs for 11 more in the first 8 or 9 games. A richer team with a weak QB bench and a final year QB leaving contacts our QB and offers $400K worth of NIL $$$ for next year before game 10 of this season as long as he isn't hurt before his year is over.

Adios young QB. Hell does he even play the last couple of regular season games and risk his promised big money?

Now a question, were the RU NIL payers to this young QB chumps?

That's an assumption you're making that players who perform well at a lower status school will automatically leave for a higher status. On top of which who is to say a higher status school wants every player that performs well at lower schools. They've got tons of top quality players coming out their ears. There will be some but not everyone and it doesn't even seem like a majority.

I posted a link to that article above that shows the majority of movement is downward not upward whether it be between divisions or between G5 and P5. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the same within the P5 in terms of higher tier schools vs. lower tier schools. Only 14% of players moved up from the G5 to the P5. With all the opportunity for NIL why not more?

I just read an article on Coastal Carolina's qb Grayson McCall. He got offers from higher programs but guess where he is now? Coastal Carolina still, because his HC stuck around he stuck around. How about Sam Hartmann from WF. He didn't leave. Cam Rising just led Utah to a Rose Bowl and went to to toe with OSU and he's still there. Jake Haener from Fresno actually left to Washington when his HC got hired by Washington and guess what? He went back to Fresno when they hired Jeff Tedford and he was satisfied with it. Desmond Ridder never left Cincy. A bunch of examples of lower status programs keeping their good players.

Does it mean every good player on your team won't leave? No there will be cases that do like Jordan Addison to USC (mind you Pitt got USC's qb Slovis too). Judging from the stats though, you're more likely to see moves like the 4 star A&M player coming down to us than you are of Addison going from a Pitt to USC.

 

[Scarlet83]

Who will enforce or design these regulations?

Good regulations are already there. It’s the enforcement that we need. The more that Commissioners, Presidents, coaches and ADs in the B1G and SEC are vocal about the Wild West nature of this, the more likely a new way to enforce can be accomplished. Everyone is making too much money to kill the cash cow.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Good regulations are already there. It’s the enforcement that we need. The more that Commissioners, Presidents, coaches and ADs in the B1G and SEC are vocal about the Wild West nature of this, the more likely a new way to enforce can be accomplished. Everyone is making too much money to kill the cash cow.

Eventually, at least for football I think they will pull away from the NCAA. Then the FBS commishes (with the B10/SEC leading) will come up with some rules/regulations etc.. I don't know the timetable for all of it though.

 

[RUScrew85]

Isn't this happening now and happened in the past, except instead of money they are offering a chance to win championships?

Transferring was harder - so was payment.

 

[RUScrew85]

That's an assumption you're making that players who perform well at a lower status school will automatically leave for a higher status. On top of which who is to say a higher status school wants every player that performs well at lower schools. They've got tons of top quality players coming out their ears. There will be some but not everyone and it doesn't even seem like a majority.

I posted a link to that article above that shows the majority of movement is downward not upward whether it be between divisions or between G5 and P5. I'd wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the same within the P5 in terms of higher tier schools vs. lower tier schools. Only 14% of players moved up from the G5 to the P5. With all the opportunity for NIL why not more?

I just read an article on Coastal Carolina's qb Grayson McCall. He got offers from higher programs but guess where he is now? Coastal Carolina still, because his HC stuck around he stuck around. How about Sam Hartmann from WF. He didn't leave. Cam Rising just led Utah to a Rose Bowl and went to to toe with OSU and he's still there. Jake Haener from Fresno actually left to Washington when his HC got hired by Washington and guess what? He went back to Fresno when they hired Jeff Tedford and he was satisfied with it. Desmond Ridder never left Cincy. A bunch of examples of lower status programs keeping their good players.

Does it mean every good player on your team won't leave? No there will be cases that do like Jordan Addison to USC (mind you Pitt got USC's qb Slovis too). Judging from the stats though, you're more likely to see moves like the 4 star A&M player coming down to us than you are of Addison going from a Pitt to USC.

We shall see. I hope you're right.

 

[Geo_Baker_1]

Knight Society is almost ready for launch

 

[Lazzaross1981]

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[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Everyone should just put forward what they feel comfortable with whether that be $0, $10, $25, $100 or $10,000/month.

the way I see it is im already paying about $3K a season. So if I was told I can pay $3K for 4-8 or $4200 for 10-2 and legitimately competing for CFP births? Its a no brainer.

for me I’m committed now for $100/month and then I’ll donate additional lump sums along the way.

also keep in mind if a head of account has 4 tix and its 4 friends sharing the tix thats just $25/month for each of the 4. I imagine most ru grads have $25/month to spare

It would be nice if the difference between 4-8 and 10-2 was $1,200.00.