Jim Harbaugh
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It should not as long as he allows others the right to their personal beliefs on this or any other issue not related to football
Mi livin and Palmer report do not understand the First Amendment and their position is wrong
He has the right to believe what he believes. I have the right to not have the same belief. But no one has the right to fire him for his belief unless he starts using his beliefs in the wrong way.
Though- good majority of kids he is recruiting most likely have families that belive in women's rights.
Though- good majority of kids he is recruiting most likely have families that belive in women's rights.
Agreed. Jim speaks his mind on a range of topics that might not be popular. He expressed them as his own views, and not those of UofM. Many public figures are afraid to speak their minds out of fear of cancellation.
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I do wonder if Laura Ingram will have a segment where she tells him to shut up and coach though
I mean for consistency in her views of athletes and entertainers giving their opinion
I mean for consistency in her views of athletes and entertainers giving their opinion
He may have the right to open his mouth but seems foolish to do so with that particular sentiment.
It may seem foolish, and I disagree with his position, but at some point people are going to have to stop willingly being silenced. And he has enough money in the bank to handle the possibilities.
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People speak out way more than they ever did. Sometimes they should just shut up, do their job and stick to what they know ...at least when whatever brain fart they have could interfere with that job.
He did speak at a "private" event for a pro-life group, however, somebody knew about it.
It's quite different than addressing the Big House or speaking on the topic at a pep rally, than what some entertainers do from the stage or athletes do on the field/court. To some, it does not make a difference, but what a coach, entertainer, athlete, actor or other celebrity does in their private life is different than doing it in a public forum where your employer is footing the bill.
What is wrong with him supporting a charity on his own time at essentially a private event? It is in line with his religious beliefs, something that a lot of people scoff at nowadays. This had nothing to do with his duties as coach.
But if an issue is important enough to someone they should never be silenced in expressing that. Especially if they are employed by a government agency.
If he coached at a private college and they put restrictions on his public opinions that would be different
I doubt it will have an effect
Harbaugh expressed his pro life values before and and said those values were instilled in him during his childhood
Being raised in the Catholic Religion is one reason he feels the way he does.
I would imagine the Clemson FB HC feels the same way because of his religious beliefs
It has been reported that Dabo's program has a Church Day, Friday chapel services and team prayers..
I believe most people with strong Christian ties are anti abortion and though didn't find Dabo's abortion stance, will take a wild guess that his Christian faith makes him against abortions.
Dabo Swinney attends New Springs Church an Evangelical Christian Church that's not affiliated with any Christian denomination but is a Christian Church
Making me believe that Dabo is more than likely to speak out against abortion then say he supports a woman's right to chose
JH has spoken out about abortion before, so this latest ant abortion statement shouldn't be a shocker
from a 2020 article:
>"And lastly, abortion, we talk about sanctity of life, yet we live in a society that aborts babies. There can't be anything more horrendous."<
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...h-horrendous-abortion-coronavirus/2975639001/
Harbaugh expressed his pro life values before and and said those values were instilled in him during his childhood
Being raised in the Catholic Religion is one reason he feels the way he does.
I would imagine the Clemson FB HC feels the same way because of his religious beliefs
It has been reported that Dabo's program has a Church Day, Friday chapel services and team prayers..
I believe most people with strong Christian ties are anti abortion and though didn't find Dabo's abortion stance, will take a wild guess that his Christian faith makes him against abortions.
Dabo Swinney attends New Springs Church an Evangelical Christian Church that's not affiliated with any Christian denomination but is a Christian Church
Making me believe that Dabo is more than likely to speak out against abortion then say he supports a woman's right to chose
JH has spoken out about abortion before, so this latest ant abortion statement shouldn't be a shocker
from a 2020 article:
>"And lastly, abortion, we talk about sanctity of life, yet we live in a society that aborts babies. There can't be anything more horrendous."<
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...h-horrendous-abortion-coronavirus/2975639001/
Opposing abortion and discussing ones faith and beliefs is not intrinsically political. Opposing abortion rights for others with different beliefs is.
As part of this thread I think everyone needs to watch Bill Burrs comedy bit on abortion
you can make your own choice, just like Jim Harbaugh can do the same. It's a free country.
nothing wrong with what he said and he's entitled to his beliefs. No issue whatsoever
What's wrong is being quoted as saying "Have the courage to let the unborn be born." Not a great quote for anyone, let alone one of the most well-known CFB coaches.
I feel like you know that, though... since you posted it.
I am. Just like you did when you posted the article with a negative slant.
Thanks for the permission, however unnecessary.
It's a perfectly fine quote. It is his opinion. He is not ordering anyone to do anything. As a matter of fact, it is a beautiful quote. Don't understand how it is not great. At least the guy stands up for what he believes in and doesn't cower in fear like a lot of other people.
Do you have a separate burner account you thought you were using? Because you're arguing with yourself more than me. Which is weird.
I feel your wrong there.
Plumbers, sheetmetal workers , janitors and even Head Coaches should feel free to say what they feel in a respectable manner.
No one should be told to stick to what they do for a living and keep all other opinions to themselves.
America is going through a phase that both liberal and conservatives only want to hear people supporting what they support and any opposing viewpoint is challenged because they are not professional involved in what they are expressing their opinion about.
I disagree with Harbaugh on the right to choose , but I understand where he's coming from because I was raised in the same faith and know what values Catholics have instilled in them.
That's not a knock on the religion, but just my lack of blindly following those values anymore and my deciding which ones deserve to be followed and which ones should be pushed aside and considered not worth following
Not following your line of thought. I have been 100% consistent.
Let's review:
1. " Jim Harbaugh: Being Jim Harbaugh. Wonder if this will have an effect on Michigan's recruiting."
2. "Agreed. Jim speaks his mind on a range of topics that might not be popular. He expressed them as his own views, and not those of UofM. Many public figures are afraid to speak their minds out of fear of cancellation."
3. "He did speak at a "private" event for a pro-life group, however, somebody knew about it.
It's quite different than addressing the Big House or speaking on the topic at a pep rally, than what some entertainers do from the stage or athletes do on the field/court. To some, it does not make a difference, but what a coach, entertainer, athlete, actor or other celebrity does in their private life is different than doing it in a public forum where your employer is footing the bill."
4. "you can make your own choice, just like Jim Harbaugh can do the same. It's a free country."
5. "It's a perfectly fine quote. It is his opinion. He is not ordering anyone to do anything. As a matter of fact, it is a beautiful quote. Don't understand how it is not great. At least the guy stands up for what he believes in and doesn't cower in fear like a lot of other people."
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Where am I arguing with myself?
Excellent post. If people only want to listen in their echo chambers, how will they ever understand what the other side is trying to say? Even worse, how will people on opposite sides of an issue find common ground if neither will listen?
Harbaugh being Harbaugh has a negative connotation whether you meant it or not, reinforced by asking whether it will affect recruiting.
So maybe you meant it as bait but you ended up straddling the issue and taking one in the balls.
So maybe you meant it as bait but you ended up straddling the issue and taking one in the balls.
No one's telling him. But public figures should have the sense to do so themselves. Or at least more skillfully craft sentiments that don't completely simplify complex issues in a way insulting to those with whom they work directly.
To answer your question, it will probably do more to help than hurt recruiting although doubt it will do much in either direction.
Personally….
I support a woman’s right to choose! Roughly 98.5% of abortions were from women who chose to have sex.
Did they not know a very possible side effect of having sex is creating another human? In fact, it’s the only natural way to create one.
To the 98.5%, perhaps more education is necessary about choices in life and natural consequences for those choices, and also what a baby looks like at 6 weeks, 12 weeks, etc.
Personally….
I support a woman’s right to choose! Roughly 98.5% of abortions were from women who chose to have sex.
Did they not know a very possible side effect of having sex is creating another human? In fact, it’s the only natural way to create one.
To the 98.5%, perhaps more education is necessary about choices in life and natural consequences for those choices, and also what a baby looks like at 6 weeks, 12 weeks, etc.
I mean, the man was involved, too. Perhaps he (you) need some serious education as well?
Neither. You greatly misunderstood what I posted and read too much into it. We can still be mountain biking friends though, and no offense taken.
Harbaugh being Harbaugh is just him doing whatever he feels is right. He has always been that way. Some of the stuff he has done has been goofy and worth mocking, but on this, he is sticking to his guns on one of his core beliefs, and regardless of how I feel about the issue, I admire his willingness to speak to and support a group without fear of repercussion.
If you read the article, he was asked about if his speaking on this issue would affect recruiting, and he thought not. It may for some recruits, but it really should not, in my view. But that is a decision of each individual recruit. The key question for each recruit is Michigan the best place for them to advance their academic and football aspirations. Simple as that.
Anyone who has much to lose and who speaks their mind and it goes against the woke thought police has to have some measure of courage to do so. Agree or disagree, you have to admit it took courage. Also waiting for someone to suggest that more than half the aborted would have been female so it is not exactly anti-female to want to give them a chance to live.
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Actually there are a large amount of non wokes that don't like to hear anything that goes against what they believe.
And you might not have noticed it, but threats against the non believers has become a problem and wokes are a target of many of those threats.
We are living in a society
at one time woke meant becoming alert now that refuses to discuss issues with respect for another POV and instead of having meaningful interaction about issues not seen eye to eye, petty insults are made making for hostility between people rather than trying to understand why the other feels the way they do.in a friendly manner.
Love and understanding is now being replaced by fear and hate when two people on opposite sides interact.
At one time being woke was considered slang for becoming aware , now some are trying to make that awareness into an insult
What is another word for woke? | Woke Synonyms - WordHippo Thesaurus
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Again- I disagree with his belief but also disagree with your statement.
If you have a strong opinion based on your personal beliefs, you should never feel you should just shut up.
I believe in his right to say what he believes, I believe in athlete’s rights to say what they believe, as well as kneeling and again- no one should “just shut up”.
but, I also believe all actions have results- you also have to understand what may come of your right to do anything.
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