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I'd be very interested to see how players #15 thru #25 overall worked out and if the mean player ended up better than RHJ

mean as in average, not not nice
 
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superfan01 said:
Yes which is why @-RUFAN4LIFE- claim is silly. And needed to be called out.
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This one is not that complicated. When all is said and done it will be Rutgers and Duke. This is a kid who really could choose Rutgers over Duke. And his decision will be well before his senior year. The only 2 who in my mind came down to Duke and Rutgers were Lance Thomas and Jay Williams. Thomas was close. Not so much Williams. The decision will not be solely because of his brother and won't be because Scheyer is a rookie coach. He really likes Scheyer and Duke is probably better served recruiting him with Scheyer as opposed to K as the coach. Too early to speculate about much else but ignore the Texas Tech noise.And it won't be Nova or Kansas.
 
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How competitive are Ron and Dylan as brothers?

Can we play the "look at all RHJ did at Rutgers. One of the best ever.
Come to Rutgers and bury your brother! Take Rutgers to the Final Four!" angle at all?
 
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RU72 said:
This one is not that complicated. When all is said and done it will be Rutgers and Duke. This is a kid who really could choose Rutgers over Duke. And his decision will be well before his senior year. The only 2 who in my mind came down to Duke and Rutgers were Lance Thomas and Jay Williams. Thomas was close. Not so much Williams. The decision will not be solely because of his brother and won't be because Scheyer is a rookie coach. He really likes Scheyer and Duke is probably better served recruiting him with Scheyer as opposed to K as the coach. Too early to speculate about much else but ignore the Texas Tech noise.And it won't be Nova or Kansas.
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Good stuff 72. You seem really tuned on many things and I remember you mentioned here before anyone that scheyer was getting that job. Any truth to the rumor that coach k didn’t want amaker to take over because he felt he could still control the program more with scheyer ? I believe Ian O’Connor wrote about this
 
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The odds of a player ranked +/- 5 spots of where he is now being a 1 and done are very low.

If I had to wager (I don’t want to) Dylan will not have a better college career than Ron. Just looking at the past data.
 
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Greene Rice FIG said:
The odds of a player ranked +/- 5 spots of where he is now being a 1 and done are very low.

If I had to wager (I don’t want to) Dylan will not have a better college career than Ron. Just looking at the past data.
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Not sure what you mean.
Dylan is ranked #17 currently.

2022 NBA Draft there were 148 early entrants.
135 from College
73 "Seniors" who still had eligibility (such as RHJ).
62 underclassman.

Of the 62 underclassman, 24 of them were Freshman.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/official-early-entrants-list-for-2022-nba-draft.html

In terms of actually drafted, the #16 pick in the 1st round (A.J. Griffin) was the 2021 #17th ranked prospect.
#25 pick Blake Wesley was the 2021 #104 Rivals prospect.
While it's not guaranteed that the #17 HS recruit is a one-and-done, I wouldn't say it's very low.
It's probably more likely than not actually.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/2022-nba-draft-how-rivals-viewed-the-first-rounders
 
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Rutgers25 said:
seems like they do a darn good job with the top 10. Most of these guys have moved on to significant roles in the nba
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Exactly - that Top 10 list is filled with NBA players.

Yes, Trae is the most accomplished so far and biggest name but he's far from the only recognizable name.

Ayton literally signed a $133m contract yesterday.
 
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Good stuff 72. You seem really tuned on many things and I remember you mentioned here before anyone that scheyer was getting that job. Any truth to the rumor that coach k didn’t want amaker to take over because he felt he could still control the program more with scheyer ? I believe Ian O’Connor wrote about this
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Coach K is a dick but he’s not an idiot. Scheyer is a better coach than Amaker.
 
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superfan01 said:
Highly doubt people went at you when you brought up that harpers HS sophomore brother might be better then him.
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superfan01 said:
Yes which is why @-RUFAN4LIFE- claim is silly. And needed to be called out.
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It 100% happened. I remember it bc I agreed and thought Dylan was the better prospect and was surprised at some of the responses.

So yeaaaa, you actually are the one that needed to be called out. You are wrong.

People need to realize that it's not a shot at Harper... it's that Dylan is just THAT good
 
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RutgersNo1 said:
Coach K is a dick but he’s not an idiot. Scheyer is a better coach than Amaker.
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Sure, maybe scheyer will turn out to be better than amaker . But amaker’s resume is much better at this point.
He made the sweet 16 at seton hall . Michigan he had struggles, but also inherited a situation with investigations.
Has had great success at Harvard and is even a special assistant to the president of the university . And it’s a pretty decent university.
If you want to count his assistant days at Duke vs scheyer’s, well the teams amaker coached were all time greats and a lot better. Plus, he’s a duke legend . Scheyer isnt. Not saying scheyer isn’t going to be great … but cmon , amaker would have been a solid , conservative choice as HC
 
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Scangg said:
It 100% happened. I remember it bc I agreed and thought Dylan was the better prospect and was surprised at some of the responses.

So yeaaaa, you actually are the one that needed to be called out. You are wrong.

People need to realize that it's not a shot at Harper... it's that Dylan is just THAT good
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The great thing is we have the search feature to prove it.
 
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NickRU714 said:
Not sure what you mean.
Dylan is ranked #17 currently.

2022 NBA Draft there were 148 early entrants.
135 from College
73 "Seniors" who still had eligibility (such as RHJ).
62 underclassman.

Of the 62 underclassman, 24 of them were Freshman.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/official-early-entrants-list-for-2022-nba-draft.html

In terms of actually drafted, the #16 pick in the 1st round (A.J. Griffin) was the 2021 #17th ranked prospect.
#25 pick Blake Wesley was the 2021 #104 Rivals prospect.
While it's not guaranteed that the #17 HS recruit is a one-and-done, I wouldn't say it's very low.
It's probably more likely than not actually.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/2022-nba-draft-how-rivals-viewed-the-first-rounders
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The reason I think he'll be a one and done is because IMO he'll still climb in the rankings before it's all said and done. Obviously some don't agree if they think he'll not eclipse RHJ's production but it's hard to not see the talent this kid has and how much better he's getting.
 
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-RUFAN4LIFE- said:
Currently sitting at 17th overall and 5*


And some here bristled when I said he would be better than Ron. At this rate he could be a one and done type if he keeps developing.
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Hundreds post here during the season . What is "some", 2 or 3 ? . 5 ? 7 ? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
 
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NickRU714 said:
Not sure what you mean.
Dylan is ranked #17 currently.

2022 NBA Draft there were 148 early entrants.
135 from College
73 "Seniors" who still had eligibility (such as RHJ).
62 underclassman.

Of the 62 underclassman, 24 of them were Freshman.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/official-early-entrants-list-for-2022-nba-draft.html

In terms of actually drafted, the #16 pick in the 1st round (A.J. Griffin) was the 2021 #17th ranked prospect.
#25 pick Blake Wesley was the 2021 #104 Rivals prospect.
While it's not guaranteed that the #17 HS recruit is a one-and-done, I wouldn't say it's very low.
It's probably more likely than not actually.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/2022-nba-draft-how-rivals-viewed-the-first-rounders
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Look at the last 5 years players 13 thru 22. How many of those 50 players were 1 and done
 
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RUInsanity said:
Maybe venture outside your bubble once in a while. 10 of the top 20 on that list have established roles in the NBA. 5 more are on NBA rosters. The other 5 are playing professionally in the G-League / Greece.
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I never heard of any of them…so I guess I got it wrong. Definitely NBA isnt in my bubble. Don’t remember those guys from college. Maybe my bubble is B1G
 
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NickRU714 said:
Exactly - that Top 10 list is filled with NBA players.

Yes, Trae is the most accomplished so far and biggest name but he's far from the only recognizable name.

Ayton literally signed a $133m contract yesterday.
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I noticed ayton is not a 2020 type center and he is making big money. He doesn’t shoot 3s yet he hit the jackpot. There is hope yet
 
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RU72 said:
This one is not that complicated. When all is said and done it will be Rutgers and Duke. This is a kid who really could choose Rutgers over Duke. And his decision will be well before his senior year. The only 2 who in my mind came down to Duke and Rutgers were Lance Thomas and Jay Williams. Thomas was close. Not so much Williams. The decision will not be solely because of his brother and won't be because Scheyer is a rookie coach. He really likes Scheyer and Duke is probably better served recruiting him with Scheyer as opposed to K as the coach. Too early to speculate about much else but ignore the Texas Tech noise.And it won't be Nova or Kansas.
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I'm surprised you say this @RU72 . This is not what I was told, and I heard from a great source. Jay was ALL IN on Rutgers and Bannon, was tight with Dahntay, etc. He informed our staff that he was coming, and if I recall correctly, Bannon even told Dickie V. that Jay was coming to RU during some golf outing the two were at together. He was a silent verbal. But everything changed when his Mom essentially forced him to at least "check out" Duke. I was told he was not happy about it and had no interest in going down but his Mom insisted. And then when they got down there, he was absolutely BLOWN AWAY and the rest is history, he was all Duke.

He was also the main reason why Dahntay ended up down there, but that's pretty common knowledge.
 
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Look at the last 5 years players 13 thru 22. How many of those 50 players were 1 and done
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Of those 50 players...
....28 left college after just 1 year (25 drafted)
....9 left college after 2 years (3 drafted)
....2 left college after 3 years (1 drafted)
....2 spent 4 years in college (1 drafted)
....9 are still in college (2 from 2019 class, 3 from 2020 class, 4 from 2021 class)
 
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RU Cheese said:
I wouldn't take it personally - superlame was the guy pounding the table we'd be better off joining the ACC instead of the B1G years ago. I'd say that about sums it up.
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His takes are awful. Take a certain level of shamelessness to post on the basketball forum after his horrendous calls this season.
 
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RUChoppin said:
Of those 50 players...
....28 left college after just 1 year (25 drafted)
....9 left college after 2 years (3 drafted)
....2 left college after 3 years (1 drafted)
....2 spent 4 years in college (1 drafted)
....9 are still in college (2 from 2019 class, 3 from 2020 class, 4 from 2021 class)
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Oops. I may need to use the edit feature
 
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RUChoppin said:
Of those 50 players...
....28 left college after just 1 year (25 drafted)
....9 left college after 2 years (3 drafted)
....2 left college after 3 years (1 drafted)
....2 spent 4 years in college (1 drafted)
....9 are still in college (2 from 2019 class, 3 from 2020 class, 4 from 2021 class)
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So, put another way - 73% (30) of the 41 players who are no longer in college have been drafted.

That’s a pretty good predictor of success if you ask me.
 
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DirtyRU said:
I'm surprised you say this @RU72 . This is not what I was told, and I heard from a great source. Jay was ALL IN on Rutgers and Bannon, was tight with Dahntay, etc. He informed our staff that he was coming, and if I recall correctly, Bannon even told Dickie V. that Jay was coming to RU during some golf outing the two were at together. He was a silent verbal. But everything changed when his Mom essentially forced him to at least "check out" Duke. I was told he was not happy about it and had no interest in going down but his Mom insisted. And then when they got down there, he was absolutely BLOWN AWAY and the rest is history, he was all Duke.

He was also the main reason why Dahntay ended up down there, but that's pretty common knowledge.
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That's in line with what I heard as well
My buddy played AAU with him for a bit
Supposedly he was crying on the car ride down
Then arrived, saw Cameron, spoke w/K, and mom/dad either got a sweet job and/or house when he committed, not totally sure on specific details but there was definitely some bagman action going on
 
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JayDogSmooth said:
That's in line with what I heard as well
My buddy played AAU with him for a bit
Supposedly he was crying on the car ride down
Then arrived, saw Cameron, spoke w/K, and mom/dad either got a sweet job and/or house when he committed, not totally sure on specific details but there was definitely some bagman action going on
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You are accurate.He was all set to go to Rutgers until his mother intervened. He also applied for the job which Pikiell got in 2016.He had no shot. But I believe that he was interviewed.
 
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RU72 said:
You are accurate.He was all set to go to Rutgers until his mother intervened. He also applied for the job which Pikiell got in 2016.He had no shot. But I believe that he was interviewed.
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Saw him as an 8th grader doing things I had never seen before
Absolutely incredible
 
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