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I can see the State of California trying to block this(could only block UCLA) unless Cal is part of the deal or has a landing spot. Same would hold true if Oregon and Washington get invited. With Oregon State and Washington State being left out their State legislators may block any move.
I know a Cal alum, and we were discussing this. I can see Cal and their cadre of profs who hate athletics saying let UCLA go and they stay put. Will be an interesting dynamic to see the State of California does not try to block it if Cal is willing to go along or just stays put. Cal used to have a rich athletic history, but lately, they have been middling. Maybe @rucoe89 has a different opinion or could add something here. This is just my opinion, which could be right or dead wrong.
 

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Oregon and Colorado. Or ND and Stanford.

There’s going to be a team that bridges the gap (Colorado) and the naturally rivalry with Nebraska makes it work.

Plus Denver is exploding right now, it’s a good future move.
 
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I know a Cal alum, and we were discussing this. I can see Cal and their cadre of profs who hate athletics saying let UCLA go and they stay put. Will be an interesting dynamic to see the State of California does not try to block it if Cal is willing to go along or just stays put. Cal used to have a rich athletic history, but lately, they have been middling. Maybe @rucoe89 has a different opinion or could add something here. This is just my opinion, which could be right or dead wrong.

The Bay Area is still one of the largest markets in the country - and the richest.
 
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Oregon and Colorado. Or ND and Stanford.

There’s going to be a team that bridges the gap (Colorado) and the naturally rivalry with Nebraska makes it work.

Plus Denver is exploding right now, it’s a good future move.

Colorado makes sense from a geographical standpoint and puts the B1G into each of the continental US's four time zones. LOTS of TV scheduling opportunities.
 

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Colorado makes sense from a geographical standpoint and puts the B1G into each of the continental US's four time zones. LOTS of TV scheduling opportunities.
Also a major travel hub, since apparently everyone’s worried about logistics.

Maybe the B1G will sign a deal with FedEx Air
 

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Far and away, the best remaining option (after Notre Dame) is Stanford. They have arguably the best academics of any option (only other one close is Berkley) and they have an athletics department that notoriously excels everywhere. They are the jewel of the Northern California market, they have been to like five New Years Day bowls in the last 15 years, and they have a strong historical rivalry with Notre Dame, who is the top choice you are trying to lure into the conference.

Stanford is the school you invite if you're trying to brand your conference as "The one superconference with all the top academic schools."
 

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Far and away, the best remaining option (after Notre Dame) is Stanford. They have arguably the best academics of any option (only other one close is Berkley) and they have an athletics department that notoriously excels everywhere. They are the jewel of the Northern California market, they have been to like five New Years Day bowls in the last 15 years, and they have a strong historical rivalry with Notre Dame, who is the top choice you are trying to lure into the conference.

Stanford is the school you invite if you're trying to brand your conference as "The one superconference with all the top academic schools."

This. AAU superconference that pretty much guarantees you get UNC, Duke and UVA when they're ready.

Johns Hopkins is even a partial members of the B1G.

With UCLA, USC, Stanford, UNC, Duke -- you pretty much become the athletic Ivy conference. Presidents (who inevitably) determine the path won't want to turn that down
 

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Far and away, the best remaining option (after Notre Dame) is Stanford. They have arguably the best academics of any option (only other one close is Berkley) and they have an athletics department that notoriously excels everywhere. They are the jewel of the Northern California market, they have been to like five New Years Day bowls in the last 15 years, and they have a strong historical rivalry with Notre Dame, who is the top choice you are trying to lure into the conference.

Stanford is the school you invite if you're trying to brand your conference as "The one superconference with all the top academic schools."
You owe Kevin Warren an apology. We will wait.
 

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You owe Kevin Warren an apology. We will wait.
You're going to be waiting an awfully long time. However, I did give the guy credit for today about six hours ago; USC and UCLA are home runs.


And here's me (over a year ago) suggesting USC and UCLA was the best move available ...



 

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Oregon and Washington fill the bill as flagship state schools and AAU members. Also gives more west coast away games. Stanford and Cal don't really add much for football viewers or making the new broadcast package richer. Notre Dame will have to come on board eventually. Who do you add with them? I think it'll be time to poach some ACC teams. North Carolina? Virginia? Georgia Tech?

This is the death knell for the ACC. Clemson, Florida State, Miami bolt for the SEC. The revenge of the Big East. I love it!
 
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Oregon and Washington fill the bill as flagship state schools and AAU members. Also gives more west coast away games. Stanford and Cal don't really add much for football viewers or making the new broadcast package richer. Notre Dame will have to come on board eventually. Who do you add with them? I think it'll be time to poach some ACC teams. North Carolina? Virginia? Georgia Tech?

This is the death knell for the ACC. Clemson, Florida State, Miami bolt for the SEC. The revenge of the Big East. I love it!

I tend to agree, but I don’t understand why Georgia Tech continues to be mentioned. The Big Ten would never take a state’s second tier school (athletically), IMO.

Have to imagine the top choices are Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Nutless Dame, North Carolina and Virginia.

The question is, how big are they going? Do they then look at Arizona, Stanford, Missouri, or another east coast school? Maybe Toronto? Only partially joking.
 

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I tend to agree, but I don’t understand why Georgia Tech continues to be mentioned. The Big Ten would never take a state’s second tier school (athletically), IMO.

Have to imagine the top choices are Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Nutless Dame, North Carolina and Virginia.

The question is, how big are they going? Do they then look at Arizona, Stanford, Missouri, or another east coast school? Maybe Toronto? Only partially joking.
Georgia Tech definitely one of the last choices. But they get the nod for AAU school and top notch academics which all the others have. This was Delany's old dream, contiguous Big Ten schools from Minnesota to Georgia. But now with the SoCal schools on board, they're probably just a filler to even out the divisions. I'd rank them slightly ahead of Colorado but not by much.
 

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If the eventual end is 20 teams, I'm not sure Colorado would get in but if it were up to 24 t
If the eventual end is 20 teams, I'm not sure Colorado would get in but if it were up to 24 then maybe.
hmmm. Can’t even get 1 buff FB or BB game on tv here. In Jersey we got every RU game on tv. There is NO sports radio talk about CU football or any other CU sport. I just don’t get it here for college sports. The radio guys will talk for hours about the Rockies, nuggets and broncos but zero about CU sports. I see virtually zero CU t-shirts or CU car magnets. Very weird. I wear my RU t-shirts everywhere here and I’ve been asked a few times what does the R stand for. I figure Denver is just not a college sports town. I live ~ 1 mile from Denver Univ. and no mention of their sports as well.
 

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Oregon and Washington would be good additions. Lots of people saying Stanford and cal make sense…don’t see what cal brings at all.
Cal-Berk is one of the top public universities in the entire country. Bringing Stanford and Cal locks up the 6th largest tv market in the US (San Fran, Oakland and San Jose).

The entire state of California would be BIG country.

GO RU
 
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16 is plenty. Anything beyond that and conferences cease to be much of anything beyond TV negotiating organizations. The schools will barely know one another. Having 4 16-school conferences should be the way to end up, with either the B12 or ACC being the one that loses out.
 
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16 is plenty. Anything beyond that and conferences cease to be much of anything beyond TV negotiating organizations. The schools will barely know one another. Having 4 16-school conferences should be the way to end up, with either the B12 or ACC being the one that loses out.
16 is unwieldly too. I mentioned last year nothing magic about 16. If you're going to be transformational and become national be bold and go big to around 20-24. You're longing for nostalgia and it's unfortunate those days are gone. If you're going to move forward in the modern era then do it in a big way that makes you an ultra premium sports property....no half measures. The world is what it is and you have to figure out the best way t operate in the circumstances as they are not what you want them to be.
 
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Apparently Oregon and Washington submitted applications last night
 

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Apparently Oregon and Washington submitted applications last night
Heard 6 schools have initiated 2 way discussions. Reached out to buddy at Allen &co. He is usually dialed in to this stuff.4 from PAC (Stanford Cal, Oregon and UW)and 2 from another conference (assuming ACC ) he would not say.
 
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Oregon and Colorado. Or ND and Stanford.

There’s going to be a team that bridges the gap (Colorado) and the naturally rivalry with Nebraska makes it work.

Plus Denver is exploding right now, it’s a good future move.
Once you get to 18 you might as well go to 20 and once you go to 20 you might as well go to 24. Add Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Arizona. ND, UNC, and UVa. Then one of Stanford, Georgia Tech, and Kansas depending on what the other teams being invited require.
 
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Heard 6 schools have initiated 2 way discussions. Reached out to buddy at Allen &co. He is usually dialed in to this stuff.4 from PAC (Stanford Cal, Oregon and UW)and 2 from another conference (assuming ACC ) he would not say.
For sure...I'm sure a lot of this stuff has already been done since last year and maybe more closely now. I mentioned in the media rights threat Fox has been bold in the sports rights biz since their days getting into the NFL. Lately it's been CFB and Big Noon and the idea of being the key partner (also 61% owner of the BTN) of the the only national CFB conference in the country has to be appealing for them to break into this arena in a really big way. Since last year Texas/OU move I said be bold and pioneer something that hasn't been done before and I think that's what Fox is doing. The schools that want to leave push the first domino but it's Fox and whatever other media companies that knock down the succeeding dominoes. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already done some at least preliminary analysis since last year's Texas/OU move of what schools can add the most value to a national B10 conference.
 
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At this point might as well lure TX and OU out of joining the SEC…the SEC would never be able to catch up…
 
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For sure...I'm sure a lot of this stuff has already been done since last year and maybe more closely now. I mentioned in the media rights threat Fox has been bold in the sports rights biz since their days getting into the NFL. Lately it's been CFB and Big Noon and the idea of being the key partner (also 61% owner of the BTN) of the the only national CFB conference in the country has to be appealing for them to break into this arena in a really big way. Since last year Texas/OU move I said be bold and pioneer something that hasn't been done before and I think that's what Fox is doing. The schools that want to leave push the first domino but it's Fox and whatever other media companies that knock down the succeeding dominoes. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already done some at least preliminary analysis since last year's Texas/OU move of what schools can add the most value to a national B10 conference.
Here you go, that's what I've been saying. I'm sure they know exactly who they want next and it's just the timing and when ND makes a move one way or the other.

 

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Once you get to 18 you might as well go to 20 and once you go to 20 you might as well go to 24. Add Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Arizona. ND, UNC, and UVa. Then one of Stanford, Georgia Tech, and Kansas depending on what the other teams being invited require.
Only if the additions are additive to the current member's revenue cut. No school will vote to make less money.
 
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Only if the additions are additive to the current member's revenue cut. No school will vote to make less money.
Whatever the scenario, if Fox (and to a lesser degree other networks) will pay for a school(s) it will happen. If not then it won't. Other than ND, the rest is kind of educated guess work.
 

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Once you get to 18 you might as well go to 20 and once you go to 20 you might as well go to 24. Add Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Arizona. ND, UNC, and UVa. Then one of Stanford, Georgia Tech, and Kansas depending on what the other teams being invited require.

Go to 20....Then split the conference into an east division with 10 and a west division with 10 and voilà....You can give the divisions catchy names like the "Pacific 10" (headlined by USC, Oregon, Stanford etc) and the Eastern one can be the "Big 10 Classic" division with OSU, Michigan, MSU, etc. Then, put the two division winners in a championship game in Pasadena! Call it, i dunno, the Rose Bowl Game or something catchy like that. It's just crazy enough to work!!!
 
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Go to 20....Then split the conference into an east division with 10 and a west division with 10 and voilà....You can give the divisions catchy names like the "Pacific 10" (headlined by USC, Oregon, Stanford etc) and the Eastern one can be the "Big 10 Classic" division with OSU, Michigan, MSU, etc. Then, put the two division winners in a championship game in Pasadena! Call it, i dunno, the Rose Bowl Game or something catchy like that. It's just crazy enough to work!!!
Can they put Wagner, Temple and UConn in the East Division?
 

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The top media markets that seem reasonable for the BIG to grab seem to be

LA
SF
Boston
Phoenix
Seattle
Miami
Denver
Charlotte
Raleigh
Portland
Salt Lake City

Do they make a run at the west coast media markets and have a true BIG WEST and BIG EAST
LOL.... you said "Big East".....ironic if that actually happened
 
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From a Wilner article:


From here, it’s clear the Big Ten’s next move is to grab Notre Dame. If the Irish are willing to end their existence as an Independent, they would need either one or three partners to accompany them into the Big Ten (for even numbers). The Huskies and Ducks might become candidates at that point, along with North Carolina.

But we don’t envision a near-term scenario in which either Northwest school is offered admission to the Big Ten without Notre Dame involved. And that could take time, perhaps years.