With bad footwork and a slow release- that would be sad to watch even if he got drafted
So what does Jayden Jones do now?
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It helps you develop if it is in conjunction with practicing and playing games against other players. Players develop in practice and gain experience in games.
Maybe he can go back to Overtime Elite but I assume that costs money. He signed with an Agent so back to college is not an option.
He was really given the worst advise and guidance possible.
Fwiw he was only given the “worst” advice if he had ANY thought of returning to college (anywhere). But if he had no intention of returning to any college then he only got “really bad” advice
Agree he was given horrible advice. Truly a shame. This was all about hype and playing up a kid who could not get PT at Rutgers. Many people on this board used it to take a swipe at Pike
I'll admit basketball is not my game. Let's talk football.
I'm not sure how Jones received "bad advice".
Even if his "people" were lying to him about his draft prospects - it's not like draft projections are a secret thing.
It's a little demeaning how people (and I guess some media based on that tweet above) are making Jones out to be this ignorant little kid.
NBA Evaluation: This likely told him directly that he was late 2nd/undrafted
NBA Draft Combine/G-League Showcase: Nearly 100 players invited and Jones was not one of them
NBA Team workouts: I doubt any team gave him a promise of a 2nd round pick
Google: Literally just google "Jaden Jones NBA Draft" and there are no responses or mock drafts that included him.
All of this was public information prior to the withdrawal deadline.
Maybe his "people" lied to him and said "We got a promise from a team".
But what does that accomplish when said team doesn't actually draft Jones?
All it does is make his "people" look bad.
Even if his "people" were lying to him about his draft prospects - it's not like draft projections are a secret thing.
It's a little demeaning how people (and I guess some media based on that tweet above) are making Jones out to be this ignorant little kid.
NBA Evaluation: This likely told him directly that he was late 2nd/undrafted
NBA Draft Combine/G-League Showcase: Nearly 100 players invited and Jones was not one of them
NBA Team workouts: I doubt any team gave him a promise of a 2nd round pick
Google: Literally just google "Jaden Jones NBA Draft" and there are no responses or mock drafts that included him.
All of this was public information prior to the withdrawal deadline.
Maybe his "people" lied to him and said "We got a promise from a team".
But what does that accomplish when said team doesn't actually draft Jones?
All it does is make his "people" look bad.
What problem is fixed exactly?
This is where every "the NBA and their 3pt shooting is terrible" argument falls apart.
Nobody actually defines the problem they are trying to solve.
"Too many 3pts shots" isn't a problem.
It's an outcome.
We will find out over the next 2-10 years if the game has a problem or I have a problem with the game.
It is a problem just like too many walks and home runs is a problem in baseball. A game of entirely 3 point shots would be boring. So what's the best number of attempts?
The number of 3 point attempts in the NBA essentially doubled in a decade from 18% around 2010 to 35% this past season. The growth has finally slowed -- the last three seasons were 34.1%, 34.6%, 35.2% -- but who knows where it stops?
Sports are here for entertainment, and many people don't consider a game where teams are shooting 50% or more of their shots from 3 as when teams shoot a quarter of their shots from there 3. Is it a big enough problem that something drastic should be done? It doesn't seem like it, at least not right now. (My baseball example is a bigger issue IMO) But what if it does climb up to where half or more of all attempts are 3 pointers? That might be the most efficient way to try to win but I don't believe it would be the most entertaining product.
The NFL changes rules every offseason that are designed to make the final product more entertaining. More limits on defensive backs and pass rushers to create more safety for the QB and bigger plays down the field. It's possible that in 10 years we're having this same conversation about the NFL and how boring it is that it looks like a 7-on-7 game nowadays.
Actually, was first used in something called the NIBL in the early '60's. George Steinbrenner was an owner of the Cleveland team.
MLB has made some adjustments....strike outs are down after they stopped pitchers from cheating mid season. I think HRs are down after they made changes to the baseball. I never thought walks were a problem and I am OK with shifts. I am upset about the length of games and the designated hitter.
The fundamental aspects of the game have changed. The grace, the strategy, etc., have been removed from both games. IMO, the shift is as bad as 3pts becoming the main staple of the game.
What we don’t know is what is handlers told him. They may have propped him up and said don’t believe the reports
Basketball is the greatest sport there is and the 3 point line was the greatest thing to ever happen to basketball
2 problems - most people are really bad at math and most people hate/are very slow to change
It took a long time for teams to figure out the offensive implications of 3 > 2 and many still haven't
Defense still hasn't entirely figured it out (teams should help out less on drives and in the post when the other team shoots 3's well)
Right now - offense is ahead of defense as far as 3's go, so teams are wisely taking as many of them as they can, when defense figures it out - there will be a shift and the game will be even better
2 problems - most people are really bad at math and most people hate/are very slow to change
It took a long time for teams to figure out the offensive implications of 3 > 2 and many still haven't
Defense still hasn't entirely figured it out (teams should help out less on drives and in the post when the other team shoots 3's well)
Right now - offense is ahead of defense as far as 3's go, so teams are wisely taking as many of them as they can, when defense figures it out - there will be a shift and the game will be even better
The bad advice isn’t from him going undrafted, I’m sure he gathered that. He’s not going to get a Summer League invite, which will limit (probably eliminate in his case) overseas exposure.
He just posted a highlight reel on YouTube/Twitter…this isn’t something he should have to be doing. It also has 2 typos in the description…feel bad for this kid getting no professional help
I used to love NBA basketball, absolutely loved it. But, watching games with 4 guys standing at or running to the 3 point line waiting to shoot 3's is boring to me.
He signed with an agent in March, closing the door on coming back before most of that feedback was available. That was where the bad advice came in. Generally, players looking to test the waters retain all eligibility they can until the very last moment, and make a decision at that time. Someone sold him that he would be a pro next year before the season even ended.
Not trying to be obtuse but "too many walks" or "too many homeruns" isn't a problem. Those are outcomes of an underlying problem.
If "too many walks" is actually the problem - then easy solution is ban walk. Pitchers keep pitching until a hit or strike out. But I don't think going to solve the actual problem (whatever it may be).
Why are 50% of shots being 3 point attempts actually a problem?
- Is it that the shot is worth "3 points"?
Then remove the line. But if people are shooting 50% of shots from 23ft - does that really solve everything all of a sudden? - If there should be a 3pt line, then is it the distance? Players should be shooting closer to the basket. Ok then if they move the 3pt line in to the college line then does that solve everything. Don't think so.
1. I would say this isn't actually a problem for most teams in the NBA.
2. If it is a problem, that's not actually a "3 pt problem". That is a spacing issue.
And the idea that reducing the usable space on the floor (i.e. force everyone to move in closer to the basket and discourage making defenders actually defend all over the court) would seem to accomplish the opposite.
You're just packing 10 guys into a smaller space bumping into each other.
This says he officially made his decision on May 29th.
Well after all public and mandatory feedback would have been provided.
Original announcement said nothing about staying in the draft from the beginning.
https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/2022/05/jaden-jones-stays-in-nba-draft-officially-ends-brief-rutgers-career.html#:~:text=Jaden%20Jones'%20time%20at%20Rutgers,told%20CBS%20Sports'%20Jon%20Rothstein.
Also, most public NBA projections are known before a player even announces.
2023 NBA mock drafts and big boards are already out.
Watching 1 guy dribble backwards awkwardly bumping into another guy while everyone else stands around is also very boring.
Post-Ups by a center = boring isolation basketball.
That's not a 3pt thing.
Everyone agrees "isolation" basketball is generally boring.
At least an isolation play that starts on the wing has the opportunity to turn into a pick and roll or drive and kick opportunity.
that's not actually a "3 pt problem"
I agree - the problem isn't the offense taking too many 3's, it's that defense hasn't figured out they should do a better job taking away 3's.
I watched Celtics big guys in the NBA finals drop on PNR when Steph Curry had the ball in his hands. Not every time, but sometimes. Defenses have lagged offenses in adjusting to 3>2. When they adjust, we'll see fewer 3's and more drives and post-play.
I agree - the problem isn't the offense taking too many 3's, it's that defense hasn't figured out they should do a better job taking away 3's.
I watched Celtics big guys in the NBA finals drop on PNR when Steph Curry had the ball in his hands. Not every time, but sometimes. Defenses have lagged offenses in adjusting to 3>2. When they adjust, we'll see fewer 3's and more drives and post-play.
I know they take a lot of 3's in CBB but it's different from the NBA. More sets and plays being run in college.
More of this still....
That's bad defense. The guy guarding the guy who set the pick was ball watching, got caught behind his guy and never got back in the play to help out. If that one defender plays that better, that doesn't work.
Good NBA teams run principles more than sets, I find that much more pleasing to watch.
I saw he signed with an agent on Mar 21st, didn't realize it was a certified NCAA agent - thought I remembered at the time people saying it wasn't.
His Twitter announcement was very clear that he was leaving RU, and then he didn't submit to the draft portal before the May 1st deadline to avoid sitting out a year... so I think the May 29th announcement was mostly a formality, though he could have still technically returned to Rutgers and played.
Pretty sure his decision was made early, though, based on someone's guidance, and the extreme unlikelihood of him actually getting an NBA contract wasn't going to dissuade him.
Even if defenses adjust how dumb is it that a spot 26 feet from the goal is so heavily defended. Can you imagine in the NFL if you got 5 points for a 50 point field goal and how that would look?
Watch the defender in the bottom left corner of the screen - around the 10-second mark he gets beat because he's watching the ball and not both ball and man and he ends up two steps behind the play - his guy sets a pick while he's completely out of the play.
False equivalence and a particularly silly one. But I'll agree that the whole idea of field goals in football is stupid, especially having a specialist kick them.
Why is a free throw only 1 point and not 2?
Because it's an easier shot with no defenders. Requires less skill.
Same reasoning for why a shot from 26ft is worth more than a shot from 2 ft.
Takes more skill to make a 26ft shot.
A lot of sports award more points for higher difficulty/skill actions.
That's not a bad NFL suggestion. Why should a chip shot 20yd FG be worth the same as a 55yd FG?
He got run around a pick. He could not do anything to stop 7'4 Edney from getting that lob pass and scoring.
No a foul is a penalty and you are rewarded 2 free throws at the basket. It isn’t worth only 1 point because it is easy.
If you don't see it after that explanation - I guess you never will. Then ask yourself this:
Did they keep running that play time and time again? I'll bet they ran it once. Why do you think that is?
Why is it false equivalence? The intent of both games is to move the ball down the field/court as possible to make the attempt closer and easier as possible. The 3 point shot is a gimmick that stuck and runs counter to the object of the the game.
Do you want to reward bonus points for TDs caught by receivers only using 1 hand or running backs that score TDs on grass using only tennis sneakers
If you can't see he got run around a pick by Jaden Ivey I guess you never will.
I know coaches typically don't repeat plays over and over regardless of how successful it is. You save them for crucial points in a game. If you repeat them, defenses adjust and the play because useless after a while.
That's like a football coach running the same trick play every game, running the same double reverse 3 times a game....lol
The problem is the 3 point shot is worth 50% more than the 2 point shot despite not being 50% harder to make. Once teams caught onto this they began selecting players based on their 3 point skill and told them to shoot more 3 pointers. All of this is thoroughly rational from both the team and player perspective.
But now the game looks different than it used to. A huge portion of the floor has been rendered useless. Nearly every team has the exact same philosophy. Is it a good thing that we went from this
To this?
Every team looks exactly the same now. It's not hard to figure out why that might be a turn-off for some people.
But now the game looks different than it used to. A huge portion of the floor has been rendered useless. Nearly every team has the exact same philosophy. Is it a good thing that we went from this
To this?
Every team looks exactly the same now. It's not hard to figure out why that might be a turn-off for some people.
Exactly. Too many people love to hate. There have been thousands of posts on this kid and only a dozen each on Caleb, Paul and Cliff who are all coming back. It’s the way of the world today and it sucks.
This is the primary reason why NBA in my eyes is ruined.The problem is the 3 point shot is worth 50% more than the 2 point shot despite not being 50% harder to make. Once teams caught onto this they began selecting players based on their 3 point skill and told them to shoot more 3 pointers. All of this is thoroughly rational from both the team and player perspective.
But now the game looks different than it used to. A huge portion of the floor has been rendered useless. Nearly every team has the exact same philosophy. Is it a good thing that we went from this
To this?
Every team looks exactly the same now. It's not hard to figure out why that might be a turn-off for some people.
There is nothing in basketball like a field goal in football. That is why it’s a false equivalence