Do you really think that is relaxant? I might understand it better if you ask if they are in the same TV markets.
OT: Phil Mickelson
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ive said it in past posts. The tour has so many events…the top players are only going head to head a very few times a year.
having all top players on LIV going head to head in every event would be entertaining to me
There are a lot of courses that would like to host events that the PGA Tour ignores. The tour gives them a chance. If it’s in a similar market, so be it. USFL, AFL, etc served new and existing markets that could support it. What loyalty do fans really have to a league/tour. More is better.
The PGA tour requires members to play 15 events I believe. They do this so they can get a decent enough field at every event to keep sponsors happy. 15 weeks plus 4 mayors plus 1 week for Ryder/presidents cup plus 8 Liv events.
that’s 28 weeks. the best players don’t want to play the 15 week minimum.
now you might just say have the PGA tour cut back. In doing so you would need to cut your cards, cut tournaments and gut sponsors that all have multi year contracts. In addition the communities that lose tourneys will lose out on the $5-6 million that is donated to local charities every year.
The solution is more complex than just coexist.
Interesting, that if the rumors prove true then 8 of the top 15 in the popularity on PGA Tour would be leaving. Yeah, it was no threat....LOL
For a global company, surprisingly very little, mostly due to the subpar regulatory environment.
That greatly diminishes the amount of money the PGA Tour receives then
The 15 PGA tournaments minimum includes the 4 majors even though they aren't run by the PGA Tour. They get credit for those events. They also get credit for the WGC events, the FedEx playoffs and both the President Cup and Ryder Cup. They all count to the 15 minimum.
Many players play many more tournaments then the 15. Some on the PGA some around the World and it has never been a issue. Tiger played in 161 European Tour (DP Tour) events. Of course he got big appearance $$ at each.
The solution is not complex! The PGA and the LIV can easily coexist. The LIV is not a threat to the PGA Tour. Have no idea where everyone is getting that crap including the PGA Tour commissioner. The biggest and only threat the LIV brings is to the DP Tour, backed by the UAE. No love lost between the Saudis and the UAE and both have major human rights issues.
The LIV solves the PGA issues of getting the most popular players paid.
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I haven't seen anyone hoping for the PGA Tour to get blown up. Many don't like how they are acting during this but I love the PGA Tour.
Wondering what the fan reaction will be for players like Phil and DJ when they tee it up Thursday.
I don't think it's an overstatement to say Phil is one of the most beloved players in the past 30 years. Will fans still embrace him or have attitudes changed?
I believe Phil has a presser today. Should be interesting.
Watched some of the LIV the first day. Boring and lifeless. Seeing the same guys play every tournament is lame.
Unless they commandeer the entire top 100 of the PGA Tour this is a novelty that will only last as long as the Saudi’s are ok losing money on it.
Canada Open was waaaaay better.
Unless they commandeer the entire top 100 of the PGA Tour this is a novelty that will only last as long as the Saudi’s are ok losing money on it.
Canada Open was waaaaay better.
You obviously didn't watch the Canadian Open, where Rory, Thomas and Finau all had fantastic last rounds together, making shot after brilliant shot with Rory prevailing. Was fantastic golf by three top 15 players (2 in the top 5), with several other top players not far behind.
I missed all the good stuff when I was traveling. I wish I saw that thread.Don't click any of his links, especially while at work!
interesting if true.
First find it funny that the PGA is dealing with the DP Tour, now sponsored by the UAE who still has human rights issues themselves.
Also the DP Tour themselves pay appearance fees but most are not disclosed on the amount. Also the DP Tour has event in Saudi Arabia. Played there earlier this year and took the Saudis millions for that.
The PGA acts like it's a threat to them. Laughable. All of the LIV players were willing to meet their 15 round minimum. It was the PGA that band them from meeting that obligation. The hypocrisy is amazing and so many believing the spin.
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PGA is in full panic and already starting to sell its soul to survive.
True. I believe the Saudi tourney is now part of the Asian tour which took a boatload of cash from the prince.
They should also ban anyone wearing Nike gear. Oh wait they took a boat load of money from Nike too. Never mind.
The farce of the LIV taking over the PGA is a joke. Taking over the DP Tour is real. The PGA acting this way is childish and actually supports Phil's ill spoken public statements about the PGA Tour.
You can’t deny that LIV success would have significant effects on the PGA tour. PGA tour is just fighting to survive.
What?? Have you been watching the Golf Channel this week?? Bring in non golf reporters to ask Phil about 9/11. Stop. You are clueless.
It is limited. There are events in the US every week that pay players to play a round or two for $$$. One used to be at Forsgate. It might be still going on.
The rules of the PGA WERE play in 15 events and you can play anywhere on your own time. That is not true anymore.
Fighting to survive
. The poor PGA is so profitable its crazy money. They used to have an off season, now their season goes year round because they have a line of willing sponsors.I don't know who is feeding you this crap but you whiffed on the 28 tournaments crap and you are whiffing on the "struggle" to survive bullcrap.
If you say that the DP Tour is struggling/very worried I'm 100% agreeing
And I could do without their manufactured playoff. Just give me good tournaments each week and I will watch. Could care less if it’s PGA or LIV.
First of all the PGA Tour is a not for profit. All the monies go to staff salaries. Charity and tournament winnings for the most part. Slight whiff there my friend.Fighting to survive
I don't know who is feeding you this crap but you whiffed on the 28 tournaments crap and you are whiffing on the "struggle" to survive bullcrap.
If you say that the DP Tour is struggling/very worried I'm 100% agreeing
I kind of agree. It is similar to the Nascar Playoff. You could have played great all year but have 1 off day and you are out. The only thing I like about the playoff is when the play at Liberty National. What great views!
Whiff again. The more the Tour makes the more they make running it. A lot of workers get bonuses starting at the top.
You keep avoiding explaining how the Tour loses money if all players play their 15 tournaments. And why is this different then Tiger playing a ton on European Tour events for an appearance fee. 161 of them.
First you talk about profits then switch to revenue after I call you out. Really no harm no foul just like my mistake the majors were not in the 15 count. Big deal.
to answer your question, tournaments are funded by sponsors in exchange for eyeballs that see their commercials and logos all over the tournament. You do understand that when big stars do not play ratings go down. If the big stars all play the LIV 8 weeks a year that means the PGA tour has a sponsorship issue 8 weeks a year. I don’t know the contract specifics but this is not debatable. That’s about 20% of the PGA calendar.
as you mentioned earlier, most players play many more than 15 tournaments. If a player gets big $$$ to sign in with LIV, which most did, and makes money from the tourneys and gets some of their sponsorships back do you think they will be as eager to play as many tournaments? The correct answer is no. How many less, we do not know.
Then with less players playing in tournaments during LIV weeks as well as non-LIV weeks, the ratings will go down which will directly lead to sponsor issues. This is exactly how the DP tour lost its stature, they let their players play in too many PGA tour events which led to the effective collapse of the tour at this point. The current DP tour is a step up from Korn Ferry.
The current state of the DP tour is a perfect example of why the PGA tour must and will fight LIV to survive.
You think golf channel is bringing the no. Golf reporters? Wow, you really don’t get it. Phil is bringing the non golf reporters. Please list non PGA events that are in the US. LIV can schedule all the events they want in Asia and Europe and PGA wouldn’t have banned the players. At this point, you are arguing just to argue.
Let’s face it, the DP Tour is like the MLS compared to the Premier league for the PGA. They don’t have a chance to compete against the PGA since no tour events are in the US. LIV is a threat because they will play in the US. As a fan of good golf I could care less about a specific tour. Just give me a good tournament. If sponsors don’t get what they want from the PGA, maybe the LIV will for them. I’m willing to give it time and a chance. Will be fun to see what happens next.
Like it or not but I’m gonna guess the head of those tours really don’t give a rats *** about what you think. They only care about their tours survival.
the final outcome will not be what’s best for fans or players. It will be a function of who wins the corporate chess game.
Crazy logic. And still avoid why it is OK to play on the DP Tour for appearance money vs the LIV. You also keep ignoring that 15 is the minimum. 15 not 16 certainly not 28. Yes you were wrong on the 28. Big Deal??? That is exactly the crap you and the PGA is spinning. Did your famous buddies give you that nonsense? The rule is 15 and then they used to be on there own after that right? Now the PGA is picking and choosing where they can play. Breaking their own rule.
The PGA is preventing the LIV players from playing 15 in the U.S. You think the sponsors like that move??