Pike, please take notes. It is possible to run some basic, yet effective, offense sets, while playing tough D on the other end.
St. Peter’s Offense
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St. Peter’s is 118 spots behind Rutgers in Offensive Efficiency on KenPom. It’s a fun run but can we stop with stuff like this?
You can cite whatever computer analysis from the regular season, I go with the eye test right now and they are running some nice sets to get buckets.
You should consider an eye test.
An offense isn't about making buckets but getting good shots. If the good shots go down, your offense looks great, if they don't, your offense looks bad - doesn't change how good your offense was at getting good shots against your opponent's defense. Rutgers gets plenty of good looks, we just haven't had players who have consistently knocked them down.
St. Peter's hasn't really had them through this season, either, which is why they finished this year with 7 Q3/Q4 losses. Right now, they've been hot, and are riding that wave. They hadn't brought this level of play throughout the season, but they are on a run similar to our run in February when we knocked off 4 ranked teams in a row. Timing is everything.
It's why they call it March Madness - sometimes teams greatly overperform or underperform relative to their seasons. Any given game one team can be hot and another not... have a few games in a row like that, and you find yourself in the Elite 8.
Does your eye test not look at scoreboards? Because we literally scored more points than they did against Purdue both times we played them.
Not to mention that throughout the season, we scored more points on average than St. Peter's did, and against a far tougher schedule.
Who’s still playing right now? Rutgers or St. Peter’s? Just want to make sure if I need to get my eyes tested
I am a Rutgers fan, but I can at least admit that Shaheen has done a masterful job with gameplans in this tourney….and I can admit that Rutgers needs to up its game on the offensive end
I am a Rutgers fan, but I can at least admit that Shaheen has done a masterful job with gameplans in this tourney….and I can admit that Rutgers needs to up its game on the offensive end
St. Peter’s is playing their best right now. When RU was at their best the offense was pretty damn good.
He has - but to say that Pike needs to take notes is nonsense.
Note 1: Overperform
Note 2: Hope the other team underperforms
Just watching this from a distance, I think you need to take a few things into consideration.
- Saint Peters has four guards that are all good ballhandlers, playmakers and Control the tempo. Kind of like the coach did 25 years ago. Kenny Anderson made that point last night.
- They played horribly early in the season and had a month off due to Covid. Statistics only means so much when you were looking at the whole season.
- Holloway plays a lot of guys and it took a while to integrate the parts.
- These are not terrible ball players but guys that were under recruited And mostly wanted to stay local. Rutgers or Seton hall would never offer any of them but they’re not stiffs.
- They are on a magical run and Holloway has instilled a lot of confidence in this team.
- Saint Peters has four guards that are all good ballhandlers, playmakers and Control the tempo. Kind of like the coach did 25 years ago. Kenny Anderson made that point last night.
- They played horribly early in the season and had a month off due to Covid. Statistics only means so much when you were looking at the whole season.
- Holloway plays a lot of guys and it took a while to integrate the parts.
- These are not terrible ball players but guys that were under recruited And mostly wanted to stay local. Rutgers or Seton hall would never offer any of them but they’re not stiffs.
- They are on a magical run and Holloway has instilled a lot of confidence in this team.
That sure sounds familiar.
Even so, after the break, they still went 0-3 vs Iona/Siena, and dropped games to Rider and Canisius. They had a very up-and-down season (as we did) and have hit a hot streak (also as we did, just in February instead of March).
Had they faced Iona/Siena in the conference tournament, they very well may not have even gotten to the Dance, let alone had the chance to get hot. Sometimes the ball just bounces your way. Things are gelling for them at the right time - but 3 great games don't really change the overall performance of the program under Holloway.
Get off your knee and wipe your face. It's not a good look for some "so-called" Rutgers fans. You can't ignore facts.
Didn't work for this Rutgers fan, why would it work for him/her?
The team that scores more points wins?
12-1 since February 15, won their conference tournament a 2, 3 and 8 seed. They have to have some talent and coaching to do that.
They are playing well and that is a terrific to then and to Sha. Historically, the best stories are when the better teams do not win. Jim Valvano and Rollie Massimino say hello.
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This is why it’s so important to just get into the tournament.
But you can run an exceptional offense that gets open looks at will, and still have a cold shooting night. Or you can run an average offense that gets hot for a game or stretch of games.
A well-designed offense gets good shots up, whether or not the players can convert those shots to points. There's a distinction to be drawn between scheme and execution.
Purdue is a mediocre defensive team.Rutgers would have loss the first game against Purdue without Harper making a 3 pointer from just past mid court.
Lucky for us 3 pointers from just past mid court still count.
And if another bounce along the way went rutgers way they wouldn’t have needed rons 3. And if the refs didn’t call a foul every time Ivey drove out of control to the hoop in game two maybe we win that one too.
Just don’t take notes of this one, right?
All jokes aside. Defense feeds the offense for most teams. UNC makes a bunch of shots and that puts too much pressure on St Peter’s. St Peter’s is a defense first team like RU. If they don’t get enough stops they both will most likely lose.
Agreed. At the end of the day you need to make some shots to stay in the game. The peacocks didn’t do it Game over.
For all those supposed RU fans falling all over themselves for Sha, and talking about how great St. Peter’s is, kindly explain what we just watched?
At some point the cream rises to the crop. Great run by St. Peter’s. Would have liked to see them continue but good for them.
I hope they hire another good young coach and be a powerhouse in their conference
Of course they do — they beat Kentucky, Purdue, etc. I mean people have been saying that St Peters has the best guards left and Sha is an unbelievable coach.
The great thing is we’ll get the find out. As of now, he’s a guy who built a very average team that earned a 15 seed and had a magically run.
You never base your resume on 3 games.....if I based it on RU winning 4 straight vs ranked teams and ignored the other 28 games, would that be a good idea??
Did you tell Holloway to take notes when an unranked RU was beating four ranked teams in a row?
Teams get hot all the time in basketball and then cool off. You can't look at a couple of games and make statements like this. Just ask the "Pike Sucks" crowd how that exploded in their faces (not saying you are in that crowd).
To be fair at least 25% of this board wanted to do just that.
Hell, like 5% of the board thinks the proper way to rank teams is to look into the future and see how they perform, so there's that.
I notice OP didn't stagger over to the computer to comment on SPU's masterful offensive performance today. I see on ESPN.com they have 49 points. When does the second half start?
Well, WHO RECRUITS THE PLAYERS?? ISN'T THAT ON HALLOWAY. ETC AND SO FORTH