Jaden Jones no return official?
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The point applies in cases where a team was simply overloaded with talent. We deployed one of the thinnest benches in college BB. Jaden started out the season seeing PT and simply didn’t cut it. He could not defend at the collegiate level. Had he lit it up offensively maybe that could’ve been overlooked but that wasn’t what was happening.
Jaden, while tall and seemed to be a good shooter wasn't exactly a great athlete either. He's not a bad athlete just not really quick nor is he explosive/jumping out of the gym. Have no idea how he thinks he's an NBA prospect. But hey, he could prove us all wrong.
There was a thread on the RT last year citing an "NBA scout" listing RHJ as a 1st round pick (maybe even started by a staff member?)
Take any "scout talk" with a heavy grain of salt.
Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, and Moses Malone also played in zero college games. The big difference between them and Jones is that people knew how good they were in HS. I doubt anyone outside of the Jones household thought he was an NBA talent.
Since we all love to analyze, interesting that Jaden is telling this kid to choose RU
Why even bring up kyrie
he was an obvious 1 and done. He only played 11 games at duke due to injury
hardly a comparable situation to Jones
stupid comparison
Correct - Kyrie is a bad comparison
Draft projection when declaring is the right metric.
The appropriate comparison is actually RHJ last year.
RHJ declared despite having near zero chance to get drafted at all.
He needed to make a big impression to get on draft boards but he wasn’t even invited to the Combine or G-League showcase.
Similarly, Jones has near zero chance to get drafted and hoping for a Combine invite.
So it’s a similar decision now: Stay in the draft likely undrafted (done with college all together) or return to college (potentially Rutgers).
Funny I don’t remember all the “bad advice and dumb decision” comment about RHJ last year.
Ron was a reasonable nba prospect who clearly needed another season of college ball. And he was a junior so of course he would declare. We are not even sure if jaden should be in division 1 at this point. To even think about the nba is just crazy.
i think people found it reasonable (or at least not absurd) that RHJ would declare. He had a resume/ had accomplished things at the college level. Getting his name out there/ getting evaluated was reasonable.
but Jones? The kid doesn’t have 1/1000th the resume of RHJ after last year
seriously wtf are you talking about?
a good comparison to RHJ (after last year) would be cliff - would be totally reasonable for him to declare for the same reasons as RHJ last year. He has a resume/ has shown what he’s capable of/ has accomplished things at the college level. If cliff declared there would be a similar response as RHJ last year “good idea. Get his name out there, get evaluated. But will likely benefit if he came back next year and cliff can aim to be a first round pick next year”
you REALLY think there’s a comparison to jones?!!
Jones career highlight is 6 points against quinnipiac. And that’s about it.
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Nice of you to post this.
I definitely don’t need this information
and if I learned it, I’d forget it by next week. Sounds way to convoluted. And this board is like Wikipedia-lite (Wiki-pedialyte?) for topics like this and I only think about stuff like this when someone brings it up here and the answers are always imbedded in the thread.
Someone earlier said that if you don’t play much in college you have no shot to be drafted. Just pointing out the innacuracy of that statement. I’m not comparing jones to any of the players who played sparingly in college and were drafted. Just pointing out it’s happened before.
Based on following social media I feel like Jaden will be back - he’s testing the NBA waters (like all should), get advice, and come back and be a star. No reason not to take advantage of it like Geo and Ron did last ysar
of course it has happened before.
everyone is aware of Moses Malone, Lebron, Kobe, Kevin Garnet, Tracy McGrady, etc.
apples-to-oranges unless you have some proof that Jones has 1/10th the ability of those players.
I see a lot of “scouts rave” in this thread so since I work in the sports space and currently do work with an NBA team on scouting, here is what I will say about Jaden - he is long, lean, can shoot, has decent handles which are all pros. A flyer on the kid and let him get in your G-league affiliate and develop is the definite play for teams evaluating him. The cons are he couldn’t crack our rotation, needs to put on some weight, and not enough tape on what he can do against top tier talent. But while I agree I think he’s making a small mistake because he could get more tape out there by simply playing next year for us (plus NIL basically takes care of income vs what a G League salary pays), I don’t blame him for going this route because, in the words of Charles Barkley, “classes isn’t for everybody” haha. Maybe Jaden just wants to focus solely on basketball and not the class part and that’s why he’s leaving, pure speculation on my part, but just my three cents.
What kind of #'s did Kyrie post?Kyrie only played in 11 college games. Just saying.
MO
But there's a chance that not everyone is as well informed as you are, including being well informed on NCAA agent rules that some had previously questioned in the thread. The article was from the NCAA.org website. If nobody in the thread had previously mentioned some uncertainty about how the process worked, I wouldn't have posted the link. Just thought it might help a few people who may not have completely understood the agent situation.Nice of you to post this.
I definitely don’t need this information
And this board is like Wikipedia-lite (Wiki-pedialyte?) for topics like this and I only think about stuff like this when someone brings it up here and the answers are always imbedded in the thread.
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I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. It was nice of you to post it.
I just have difficulty retaining it!
It hasn’t happened like this. There’s a difference between not playing due to injury or even not playing that much because your buried on a roster full of All Americans. Neither of these situations applies.
I'll break down the NBA for you (and the other college basketball fans).
All those "resume/had accomplished things at the college level" that everyone raves about mean zero for draft prospects.
What did they get RHJ last year? Nothing because they don't matter. Pull up a mock 2023 draft - filled with players already - most of which have no college "resume or accomplishments".
Luka Garza was the NPOY and barely got drafted.
69 players were invited to the 2021 Combine and another 40 were invited to the G-League Elite Camp.
RHJ wasn't invited to either one. NBA picked 109 players (including even that Mac McClung guy) to highlight and passed on RHJ.
2021: Player X declares for the draft despite being in no draft conversations and likely to be undrafted. Alternatively, the player can return to college and still play. Returning can't hurt his draft stock because it literally can't get any lower.
2022: Player Y declares for the draft despite being in no draft conversations and likely to be undrafted. Alternatively, the player can return to college. Returning can't hurt his draft stock because it literally can't get any lower.
Player X = RHJ
Player Y = Jaden Jones
As I said originally, RHJ declaring in 2021 is a much better comparison for 2022 Jaden Jones declaring than Kyrie Irving declaring.
Or because you literally didn’t go to college which describes some of the examples people are giving lol.
There are tons of great college players who don’t project as NBA players but not so much the other way around. Not being able to even get backup minutes on a bubble team is a huge red flag.
I 100% fully understand that the NBA could not care less about a players college "resume"
I was explaining the reason for the difference of the reaction from the fans - i.e, why people didnt laugh at Ron last year but did laugh at Jones. I was not addressing my opinion on their relative chances of making the draft nor what the NBA scouts might think of them. now, perhaps my point wasnt too clear. either way, you missed it.
in fact, in another thread I talked about how I think Ron has ZERO chance in the NBA. he is just not athletic enough. he is not nearly the athletic unicorn that the NBA looks for. Cliff it would seem has much more potential to be an NBA pick for that reason. his athleticism is absurd
Jones? who knows? but the fact that he couldnt beat out Palmquist and Miller does NOT bode well. as someone else indicated in another thread - typically, future NBA players jump off the screen. If Jones is so damn good to be have a future in the NBA there is NO WAY IN HELL he should have been behind Palmquist and Miller. I dont even remember hearing anything about him kicking *** in practices. If he was this amazing talent....I think we would have heard about it.
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I agree.
The only possible rebuttal by an NBA exec making a pitch to take a look at Jones is "Most college coaches can't be relied upon. They are just trying to keep their job. They don't have the time to play a guy with pro potential who might not fit their college game plan (defense first etc.)"
Not saying HC Pike deserves any blame (we made the tourney afterall).
Just saying that is how it could be framed by an NBA exec.
FWIW one of my guys out in California does some video media work on the side associated with recruiting. Prolific prep is one of his main teams. He loved Mag but told me Jaden Jones was more of a journeyman and he thinks the “adults” in his ear are/have given Jaden some bad advice.
Most kids who were/are successful in NBA and didnt play much in college was not a bench player as college player. They didnt play because they were too good to play and got drafted to NBA. or They were injured, whereas they would have been a star on the court.
I think Jones was supposed to be the replacement for Geo when he left. Unfortunately, he does not have the necessary lateral movement to play good perimeter defense and does not have the bulk to play the 4. Teaming him with another guy with lateral movement issues on the perimeter (Mulcahy) would be a disaster. Unless they play zone.