How did Illinois get beaten so badly?

Knights 1212

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Illinois dropped a huge egg. How is that possible will all that talent of Cockburn, Frazier, Plummer, Curbello, Hawkins etc. They had almost their entire team back and Houston had 5 new starters and they looked lost against Houston. At least we lost to Houston within the last few seconds and our team was not as highly rated as Illinois. Illinois has lost so many games this season with so much talent. What a let down. by them. If we did that our team and coaches would be absolutely ripped by many of our fans.
 

kcg88

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1. Curbelo and Plummer are really bad in defense.

2. Hawkins is overrated at least for now. 29% three point shooter and too many turnovers.

3. Curbelo was terrible offensively (dealing with concussion symptoms so understandable)

4. Grandison got hurt.

5. Houston is literally #2 on KenPom.
 

RU206

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Jan 23, 2015
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Illinois missed open shots and turned the ball over.
Houston had a ton of offensive rebounds And started making shots the last 5 minutes of the game.
 

knight82

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Nov 4, 2002
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Cockburn has regressed from the past two years and Curbelo is a disaster
 

rufeelinit

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If Curbello played at all in the second half, it was until the very end. Not sure what the issue was there.
 

RUJMM78

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Jul 25, 2001
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Houston defeated Rutgers last season and Illinois today with defense and offensive rebounding.Illinois performed poorly because Plummer and Frazier failed to make 3 pointers on a consistent basis.Cockburn had a tough time getting the ball around the basket.Houston now has three straight seasons reaching the quarter finals which is a great achievement .The flaws of the Big Ten are also being exposed today with Ohio State losing to Villanova 30-22.
 

RU206

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Houston defeated Rutgers last season and Illinois today with defense and offensive rebounding.Illinois performed poorly because Plummer and Frazier failed to make 3 pointers on a consistent basis.Cockburn had a tough time getting the ball around the basket.Houston now has three straight seasons reaching the quarter finals which is a great achievement .The flaws of the Big Ten are also being exposed today with Ohio State losing to Villanova 30-22.
I agreed with you until the last sentence. What’s the flaw of the B1G? Nova is a 2 seed for a reason and an excellent team.
 
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Yeah Baby

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He’s a guy this fanbase didn’t want. .
This fanbase or a vocal handful on this board? Lol. I don’t remember it but this fanbase is not so great. The fanbase that makes a lot of noise at home games is awesome. Now that we have Pike he’s my guy. If we hired Sampson he would be my guy. Both preach culture and Defense so maybe we’re on to something.
 
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Plum Street

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This fanbase or a vocal handful on this board? Lol. I don’t remember it but this fanbase is not so great. The fanbase that makes a lot of noise at home games is awesome. Now that we have Pike he’s my guy. If we hired Sampson he would be my guy. Both preach culture and Defense so maybe we’re on to something.
Sorry , yes this board. I always equate this board to being the pulse of the fanbase, but maybe wrong
 

fluoxetine

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Nov 11, 2012
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1. Curbelo and Plummer are really bad in defense.

2. Hawkins is overrated at least for now. 29% three point shooter and too many turnovers.

3. Curbelo was terrible offensively (dealing with concussion symptoms so understandable)

4. Grandison got hurt.

5. Houston is literally #2 on KenPom.
This, plus it was a 5 point game with 5 minutes left. Stop overreacting to every. single. game.
 
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RUJMM78

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I agreed with you until the last sentence. What’s the flaw of the B1G? Nova is a 2 seed for a reason and an excellent team.
Yes,Villanova is excellent and so is Houston.The Big Ten had nine bids and Michigan is the only team so far that has reached the quarter finals.Purdue and Wisconsin are the only teams favored to advance.today.Percption matters in sports.Its not enough to just get in the tournament.Winning matters and Purdue must show that they are a final four team.
 

BigEastPhil

Heisman
Nov 25, 2007
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Illinois was overrated. Are Plummer / Frazier / Williams / Curbelo / Hawkins impact players? I don’t think so.
 

AZBlues

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Kofi 6-11 FG, Melendez 4-5 FG. Rest of team 7-34 FG... Team 6-25 3PT...
8 more turnovers than Houston, 6 less rebounds than Houston.
 

NewJerseyHawk

Heisman
Jan 11, 2007
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1. Curbelo and Plummer are really bad in defense.

2. Hawkins is overrated at least for now. 29% three point shooter and too many turnovers.

3. Curbelo was terrible offensively (dealing with concussion symptoms so understandable)

4. Grandison got hurt.

5. Houston is literally #2 on KenPom.

Pretty much blankets it here.....

If St Mary's is a 5 seed, Colorado State is a 6 seed and Houston is a 5 seed, it shows how badly teams are seeded.

Houston was a 4.5 point favorite today on a neutral court vs Illinois. Maybe Illinois just wasn't that good??? Or Houston is on a collision course with Arizona for the right to go to the Elite 8/Final 4.

Houston seems to have 3 of the same players at every position, which makes it very difficult to score against.
 

Mr. Magoo1

Heisman
Nov 15, 2001
15,615
16,558
113
A giant immobile center with a bunch of 3 point chuckers. They play good D but Houston’s D is better. Houston is also much quicker and more athletic.
 

gregkoko

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Sep 22, 2016
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Despite their seeding, Houston's adjusted O and D efficiency numbers are typical of a final four team
 

RUfromSoCal?

Heisman
Nov 26, 2006
35,363
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113
some days, WideOpen High Percentage Shots, even on second looks....just don't fall..

and against a good team, you will lose that game.........
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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Oct 11, 2003
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They don't keep their composure. Kofi can't pass out of the post.
One reason you rarely see offenses led by dominant centers in college basketball (other than the dominance of analytics) is there aren't many coaches at the college level who teach sound post play or are capable of building offenses that play through the post efficiently. Loyola of Chicago carved up Illinois with a center that looked like a plumber, but knew how to play in the post.
 

JonathanAlan

Heisman
Jan 14, 2002
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Curbelo is awful . He's either very good or very bad and too often the latter and plays out of control..... Illinois guard play is too suspect--I thought Trent Frazier would be better than he's shown this year. The kid I really like is Melendez. He will be a stud.
 
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