If I ever make it to your “ old fart” age I hope I can acquire some temperance as well. God Bless and GO RU!!!!!!!!
OT: Army Cadets
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
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Tbh its cut in to kill, no other reason. If they were trying to add weight theyd add baking soda
Your last paragraph has a a powerful statement. I had a couple friends who went to West Point and when those guys got breaks they went after it pretty hard. Never saw drugs but they maximized their time partying.
Was always amazed at some of the Ivy League overachieving kids that entered Wall Street and the “naivety” many had with many real world experiences they missed out on in high school and college. Some could handle the exposure to the big city and some couldn’t. I would have the talk with many regarding trying not to make up for lost time. Over partying and drugs lead to derailing careers and lives. Doesn’t matter how bright one is when it comes to demons.
putting it on the current leadership is totally wrong.
Put it on the instant gratification politics and loyalty to only those that can help you leadership the USA has had for many years...
Personal agendas also have a role because those cadets , like many government officals ( past and present) think only of what they want, whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter.
I know WP fairly well having lived next to it, and having had a couple of family members go there. Its true that cadets get their party licks-in. Its practically a part of their strategic training to plot mischief making without getting caught.
But on a side note, some corners do get cut with regard to athletes being accepted. There are players who wouldn't get-in all things being equal. They can still get in because the superintendent has a few hundred discretionary appointments he can use to finesse people in. If a coach really wants a player who would probably be rejected in the standard process he can still get help from the superintendent (recent superintendents have been ex-players). The prep school allows for some mutual tryout space.
Navy and AF let their hair down years before, and that's how they could have a half dozen 300+ lb players when Army's biggest guy could be 270 lbs. Army was still strict about weight requirements while other SA's used medical waivers/exemptions.
Monken, Caslen and Boo Corrigan (AD who knew football from ND) were first guys to get some corners polished off restrictions. Football got better but rate of academic issues increased. The worst was in 2019 when 55 football player got caught-up in a 73 cadet cheating scandal involving a calculus final administered remotely (CV).
Most players are pretty good guys but not all are a work of art . A lot of them now come from GA and FL, and I suspect some of the players met-up with old sketch buddies from home. Cocaine is often surreptitiously laced with Fentanyl and I suspect players didn't know. Even cadets trying to resuscitate OD cadets ended-up sick from their contact with the drug. At least they were all safe from plastic bags
They're supposed to and most do. To extapolate the actions of 6 to a class of 1000 and a student body of 4000 is absurd. And those 6 will likely be separated from the Corp for honor code violations, even the 2 who didn't partake.
It’s not exactly cheap, but it is plentiful. If someone is buying “cheap” coke, that’s a really good sign to avoid it like the plague.
My hope would be that people avoid drugs altogether. But since it has been more than amply demonstrated that they won’t, we should legalize it all to at least give people the option of buying stuff of known provenance. Seeing kids dying, and I know some personally, from fentanyl-laced drugs is enormously saddening.
Define “current” leadership. Are you talking about just in the past 2 years? Or are you talking about over the past 10 years?
The later, if meant in a non-partisan way where blame is apportioned across all recent leadership of both parties, could be a reasonable theory, although one that is entirely unprovable. Personally, I don’t think one can justifiably blame any DC or state Republicans or Democrats for the actions of these kids.
But the former, if that’s what you‘re up to, would reek of a pro-Putin narrative - a bunch of disinformation published to intentionally polarize the good people of the United States and turn people against our national leadership at a time of great conflict with Russia.
Let’s hope you’re not trying to leverage the deaths of some young people to advance a pro-Putin narrative and weaken your nation (assuming it’s even your nation) with such intensely polarizing nonsense.
I couldn't agree with you more.
It's amazing how many pro-Putin folks there are in this country.
Back in the day we had a name for people like that.
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Respectfully disagree. Why would you want to kill your customers? Baking soda isnt cheap?
Well they did leave NY and travel to Florida so…
(just using that to highlight how stupid the premise is).
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Correct. It can also be put into coke bags to use less product and make more money. Its easier and cheaper and smarter as a drug dealer to cut coke with baking soda than fentanyl
Baking soda reduces potency so you can't charge as much. With cheap fentanyl, the dealers can cut with even more fillers, sprinkle in Chinese fent, and the customers still get messed up and the dealer still makes the higher margins.
Did I identify a party? I don't have a partisan hang-up like some on this board, I said leadership in Washington and the Nation, there was nothing to infer a party, but that just shows you that people today are conditioned to think party first, country second.
As for whether they know or not about the possibility drugs can be laced with some nasty things at age 17-24 these so called educated , higher aptitude kids should know. No excuse in year 2022. As for the states they come from don’t care.
So who exactly is the leadership you speak of that caused young adults to use coke
Washington DC and the Nation encompasses a lot of leaders
Maybe it’s just me, but I expect more from America’s best.
I once had a Philadelphia Police Captain tell me he could tell when there was a “bad batch” of killer heroin in town by all of the out of state (Ohio, Maryland, Connecticut, etc) license plates looking to find it. Their logic- if it’s good enough to kill people, it must be great, I’ll just try not to die using it.
It’s a mindset that defies what most of us could comprehend.These men and women are from a totally different generation . Where we had alcohol and drugs and they caused death and addiction today we have drugs manufactured by China and earmarked to cause death to Americans young and old. This drug fentanyl doesn’t discriminate. It is something we all should take seriously even those young high type character kids who get an opportunity of a lifetime. Education and service to one’s country means nothing if you are killing yourself on drugs. The fact that over 100k have died from fentanyl in the USA is not really being addressed. If you want to indoctrinate our younger generations then make sure they see how deadly this drug is. That is something to teach from a young age both in school and in the home. Along with with math, science and the ability to read and write would be a great start especially in inner city , lower income single parent homes.Maybe it’s just me, but I expect more from America’s best.
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I was going to ask...how the hell does it make sense to use a drug like Fentanyl just to cut cocaine. It has to be much more expensive than traditional items such as baking soda. I thought I heard it creates addiction much faster
So then your theory is that both sides are to blame. Glad to hear that because we need more people who eschew pointless party politics and useless ideological partisanship. Our nation will be far better off being fully united against what Putin is doing right now, which is bad for the entire world, including Russia.
I still disagree that anybody in DC or running any states are to blame for these kids. But there’s an easy way for everybody who dislikes how our elected officials behave. Never ever vote for any incumbent for any office regardless of party. That will have a fairly immediate impact on the behavior of all politicians.
It’s you … I am not confident in the direction the younger generations are leaning towards. They are perhaps more up on tech things but as for common sense appears to be a void created by those who teach them. That can be at home or even in the schools. Why should we expect more ? Why are they America’s BEST? There are millions of other kids not at the military academies who will far surpass many of them. I’m a vet and proponent of character building but the past decade has shown the academies are not scandal free and far from having leaders we can put faith in. People can virtue signal all they wish but our military leaders are not something to have trust in.Maybe it’s just me, but I expect more from America’s best.
Hate to break it to you but Cadets have been doing drugs for a very long time. Theyre 18-21 year old kids at the end of the day.
I am talking about this particular group, not youth at large.
And I hope it’s not just me as that pedestal we put them on, we paid for.
You can’t just say , “ just this group”. They are ALL the same group and as a military entity need to act above if you want to separate them.
If you served in the military at any point then you understand not everyone is responsible and a good example of being a soldier , sailor or airman. It’s been this way for years . Because you put on a uniform means absolutely zilch unless you follow your oath completely. Doesn’t limit you having fun or being part of the activities with your friends. It is all about that discipline thing. There are thankfully more who adhere to the rules than not.
I know I'm in the minority, but I disagree here. I often disagree with Big Pharma ethics, but in this case I think the drug companies are being made to be scapegoats to some degree, even if their marketing of the drugs was questionable in some cases.
No prescriber that's still alive hasn't been taught that opioids can cause dependence and abuse, will cause tolerance with prolonged use, and must be used only when necessary and with extreme caution and close monitoring. It's the unethical prescribers who irresponsibly prescribed the medications, and others in the supply chain who ignored their responsibilities to see that the medications were used safely and legitimately, and the unethical patients or unethical patients' associates who diverted the opioid medications to others, and those involved in the illicit drug trade, etc, etc,.. who are primarily responsible.
Parents, educators, and other authorities or associates are also responsible for teaching children about the dangers of illicit drug use too, and especially so in this age of extremely potent and dangerous fentanyl. But to place the majority of the blame on, and bankrupt, legitimate opioid drug manufacturers is ignoring the majority of the problem, at least from what I've seen and experienced.
Yes I can. But again I am just talking about those at the Academies, not those at Great Lakes, Lackland or Parris Island.
You can disagree and that’s fine.
I knew people that had a 1600 SAT score and people who scored drool that would do coke every weekend.
It has nothing to do with smarts.
Go to a Wall Street party filled with bankers if you want to see a ton of drugs.
It has nothing to do with smarts.
Go to a Wall Street party filled with bankers if you want to see a ton of drugs.
And that is part of the problem . Explain why these students are America’s best again? They should be above the average group but what have we witnessed at the academies for a decade. As many scandals as at any other institution of higher learning. Now should they be saints ? No but they do sign a contract to avoid situations like this one. Not a good look. You most certainly can believe whatever you wish even when you are wrong . If you are going to tout them as special representatives of the United States Military then they better understand that document they sign and pledge they take.