SIAP: Wachtel on RU Schedule

[RUsojo]

 

[Anon1751594821]

Who gives a crap what Brad says? He flip flops all the time. As fans and people connected to the team, we always hope to have better teams scheduled.

Best of Luck,
Groz

 

[SleepingGiantIsAwake]

Pay no attention to the midget.

 

[The RUT]

Who gives a crap what Brad says? He flip flops all the time. As fans and people connected to the team, we always hope to have better teams scheduled.

Best of Luck,
Groz

He’s kinda right though.

What advantage does scheduling Lafayette do for you?

 

[RUsojo]

Who gives a crap what Brad says? He flip flops all the time. As fans and people connected to the team, we always hope to have better teams scheduled.

Best of Luck,
Groz

My assumption was anyone who clicks this thread gives a crap one way or the other.

 

[RUJMM78]

Fans can gripe all they want but that doesn't chnage the narrative in deciding Rutgers getting a NCAA bid.Nobody knows the direction the NCAA Committee will take towards Rutgers other than that they are a bubble team.

 

[MiamiWolv]

He’s kinda right though.

What advantage does scheduling Lafayette do for you?

You probably should wait.

If Michigan is out, they’ll be asking why they scheduled six Q1/Q2 non conference games instead of doing what Indiana did.

 

[BillyC80]

Scheduling isn’t the issue. Winning is.

 

[Westcoast]

Ueah, he's right about the schedule. Sure we play a grueling league schedule but playing so many terrible teams in the non conf accomplishes nothing. I mean, if you at least play some real teams our guys will be more motivated - like they apparently were for UConn and Nova scrimmages as opposed to the sleepwalking crap they pulled for most of their first 8-9 games.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

That's stupid....if Rutgers goes 9-2 OOC like they should have this is not even a conversation.

That translates to 21-10, 12-8 and a 7 seed.

 

[sport2231]

He’s absolutely right.

There is no reason a team preparing for the Big Ten schedule should be playing the OOC we do. Losing a couple games as you find the proper lineups and chemistry isn’t the end of the world. But it could keep you out of the tournament when we schedule so poorly. Replace the Lafayette loss with a loss to a Quad 2 team and we aren’t haven’t this conversation today

As an athlete, knowing the big boy basketball I am going to play also not sure how mentally into a game against Lafayette I’m going to be until it’s to late.

This isn’t the pros. We are also dealing with kids not fully mentally mature yet. Plenty of things like classes, girls, parties to distract me from putting in the proper work and focus for the 345th ranked team in country

 

[sport2231]

That's stupid....if Rutgers goes 9-2 OOC like they should have this is not even a conversation.

That translates to 21-10, 12-8 and a 7 seed.

If we played a decent OOC schedule we could be 18-13 like we are today and not have the conversation either

 

[RUsojo]

He’s absolutely right.

There is no reason a team preparing for the Big Ten schedule should be playing the OOC we do. Losing a couple games as you find the proper lineups and chemistry isn’t the end of the world. But it could keep you out of the tournament when we schedule so poorly. Replace the Lafayette loss with a loss to a Quad 2 team and we aren’t haven’t this conversation today

As an athlete, knowing the big boy basketball I am going to play also not sure how mentally into a game against Lafayette I’m going to be until it’s to late.

This isn’t the pros. We are also dealing with kids not fully mentally mature yet. Plenty of things like classes, girls, parties to distract me from putting in the proper work and focus for the 345th ranked team in country

Extremely underrated point. I do believe it applies to pros to though.

 

[MikeR0102]

He’s kinda right though.

What advantage does scheduling Lafayette do for you?

I agree with this, but I’m not sure who you can schedule out of conference that aren’t going to hurt you if you lose. I guess you could fly in some Pac-12 type teams or fly out there, but the biggest thing is just win baby.

 

[winfield102]

The team basically no showed against any team we thought we were better than. We were in rock fights way too many times against weak teams.


I don't think it preps you for the tough teams...... But we ended up beating all of the tough teams. Very bizarre. Pike was right about this being his best team. He just forgot to add "when they decide to play".

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Scheduling isn’t the issue. Winning is.

Wrong, simply not true.
If you schedule dog **** teams, your NET is going to be low and even if youre good, for seeding purposes youll be a lower seed. If you schedule dog **** teams you dont only need to beat them, you need to obliterate them

 

[Danprusa_4]

He’s Totally right. And whoever says otherwise needs to let their ego go. Lol

 

[The RUT]

I agree with this, but I’m not sure who you can schedule out of conference that aren’t going to hurt you if you lose. I guess you could fly in some Pac-12 type teams or fly out there, but the biggest thing is just win baby.

We easily could have scheduled an average P6 team and we’d be okay.

Another Clemson type team.

Thing that sucks is not only did it hurt us, but it also hurt our conference mates

 

[RUwishbone]

Make a note about it and worry about in June

 

[ScarletKid2008]

Wrong, simply not true.
If you schedule dog **** teams, your NET is going to be low and even if youre good, for seeding purposes youll be a lower seed. If you schedule dog **** teams you dont only need to beat them, you need to obliterate them

and our program is not built to outscore and blow teams out of the water. We’re built to play defense and win close games.

 

[BillyC80]

Wrong, simply not true.
If you schedule dog **** teams, your NET is going to be low and even if youre good, for seeding purposes youll be a lower seed. If you schedule dog **** teams you dont only need to beat them, you need to obliterate them

Sorry kyk, but you’re wrong. Gonzaga is #1 in NET and they’re 13-0 in Quad 4 games. Rutgers only played 6 Quad 4 games and went 5-1.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Sorry kyk, but you’re wrong. Gonzaga is #1 in NET and they’re 13-0 in Quad 4 games. Rutgers only played 6 Quad 4 games and went 5-1.

They pounded their q4 opponents and did so in an extremely efficient manner. Pike doesnt build teams to win in blow out fashion or be efficient. This whole program is built on winning ugly, just as it was at stony brook

 

[AshCatchEm]

This is definitely not debatable. He's 100% right

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

Why are people being so dumb. The reason we are not getting in is because we lost to laffeyette and umass. We beat those two teams no one cares about SOS

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

They pounded their q4 opponents and did so in an extremely efficient manner. Pike doesnt build teams to win in blow out fashion or be efficient. This whole program is built on winning ugly, just as it was at stony brook

Kyk stick to rutgers because it is clear you have no clue about his time at stony brook.

Pikiell dominated at Stony Brook.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

and our program is not built to outscore and blow teams out of the water. We’re built to play defense and win close games.

Our team is built on getting players who will come to rutgers. Unfortunately every coach prior to pikiell failed and no kid grew up wanting to play for rutgers and any other kid who was contacted by rutgers found out very quickly they were trash.

you guys think getting five star players is easy. You need to have a program before you can get those players. It will come.

 

[sport2231]

Extremely underrated point. I do believe it applies to pros to though.

Agreed but in *most* cases you have a more mature person

I agree with this, but I’m not sure who you can schedule out of conference that aren’t going to hurt you if you lose. I guess you could fly in some Pac-12 type teams or fly out there, but the biggest thing is just win baby.

The point is if we had lost to even a Colgate instead of Lafayette we probably aren’t even having this conversation.

For those that are saying it’s just about winning aren’t understanding the point of this convo. Of course if you win every OOC and do well in conference you will be fine

But Pikes teams aren’t built with recruits oozing with natural talent. They require development and chemistry. You have to assume you are going to have some scratch your head type stumbles in the first third of the season.

No one is saying go and give yourself a gauntlet but how about the 200th easiest OOC schedule instead of the 300th. Wouldn’t kill to have some extra Q2 and Q3 wins also instead of relying on playing 5 games over 500 in conference.

 

[ouchmyknee]

I said this last week or the week before and everyone was up in arms. The reality is that we need to upgrade our OOC schedule. It saying we need to play Duke, Kentucky, and UNC, but we need to have some opponents that’ll be tourney teams.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Kyk stick to rutgers because it is clear you have no clue about his time at stony brook.

Pikiell dominated at Stony Brook.

Go look at the efficiency matrics during his time there. He coach 11 seasons there. On average around 200 in offensive efficiency and was consistently around the 300’s as far as 3 point fg attempts are concerned

 

[bac2therac]

Brad is completely right. The excuses for scheduling poorly on this board make zero sense...actually advocating for a 300 schedule

 

[Zak57]

He's not correct. We've been through this a hundred times. If they won the games like they should have we're not in this position.

Also I'm huge into analytics and metrics but with college basketball they just don't work as well. Teams change too much and with the disparity between teams and conferences there's no basis for the metrics.

 

[BillyC80]

They pounded their q4 opponents and did so in an extremely efficient manner. Pike doesnt build teams to win in blow out fashion or be efficient. This whole program is built on winning ugly, just as it was at stony brook

So now you’re saying winning (and in some cases winning big) is more important than scheduling, got it. We agree on that.

 

[nukem]

So what would happen if we switched out the Maine and CCSU games and everything else the same, with 2 better teams that would raise the SOS significantly? And we lost those 2 different games along with Lafayette and UMass? So we would be sitting at 16-15 today with no shot to get in.

You can manipulate the schedule all you want but at the end of the day you just can't lose to **** teams. The B!G also plays a 20 game schedule. Big 12 and SEC play 18. That's 2 more tough in conference games.

I'm not saying don't schedule tougher but just don't lose to bad teams. Bad teams will still be on the schedule even if we improve the SOS.

 

[cyrock3]

Pike isn’t going to change for anyone. For better or worse he is who he is.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

Go look at the efficiency matrics during his time there. He coach 11 seasons there. On average around 200 in offensive efficiency and was consistently around the 300’s as far as 3 point fg attempts are concerned

My man he dominated at stony Brook. You can go to Kenpom all you want. Ask anyone from the America East or anyone at stony Brook who watched the games.

He lost 11 conference games over his last 5 years at SBU. Good for a 67-11 record. During that span he lost to I believe 4 teams. 2 of the 4 he lost once. In 2010-2011 he lost 8 conference games because his best player tore his ACL. A year when he still made it to AE finals. The 2009-2010 season he lost 2 conference games. A total record of 88-21 over last 8 years. Played in title game 5 out of those 8 years. Had POY 6-8 years and DPOY 5-8 years and national DPOY one of those years.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

Brad is completely right. The excuses for scheduling poorly on this board make zero sense...actually advocating for a 300 schedule

So if we beat laffeyette and umass we would still be out?

 

[Scangg]

If we played a decent OOC schedule we could be 18-13 like we are today and not have the conversation either

Or 16-15 and have been eliminated forever ago from any type of bubble consideration

 

[sport2231]

Or 16-15 and have been eliminated forever ago from any type of bubble consideration

I’m sorry if I’m not going to base future NCAA hopes on *hopefully* beating up Q4 teams in the OOC schedule. If that’s the the type of NCAA team we are we are never getting past first weekend anyway

 

[Caliknight]

I have no idea how basketball scheduling works, but if it's the same as lacrosse, it takes two to tango. You don't just call up schools and get them on your schedule.

We offered the entire Acc in lacrosse an opportunity to sign a deal and they all said no.

 

[BillyC80]

Brad is completely right. The excuses for scheduling poorly on this board make zero sense...actually advocating for a 300 schedule

I don’t know who’s “advocating” for a 300 schedule. Just that our OOC schedule is not the reason we’re in this predicament. Our SOS is 31, more than good enough to compete in metrics. Winning the easy OOC games is the key, as evidenced by #1 Gonzaga going 13-0 in Quad 4 games (we only played 6 Q4 games and went 5-1).