New Mexico St jumped 6 spots to move ahead of us but RU stayed at 80 because Colorado who was idle dropped from 79 to 81
NET falls to 80
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How is Indiana’s overall SOS 69 and ours is 96? I’d get it if their OOC was harder but it wasn’t - theirs was 313 while ours was 307. How could that be possible based on who each of us play in conference?
Really doesn't make sense
We have left: @Michigan, @Indiana, Wisconsin, Penn St
They have: Maryland, @Minnesota, Rutgers, @Purdue
We both play home-and-homes with Purdue, Wisconsin, Penn St, Nebraska, and Maryland. Except our schedule swaps in Illinois/Michigan for OSU/Minnesota. Maybe home/away factors in a bit? But overall, we'll have played a tougher slate of teams.
Again, what a joke. IU loses on road to OSU by 11; stays at 43. We lose to a top 4 team on road by 12 and drop 4 spots (and are 37 spots behind already). We have 4 more Q1 wins, same away / neutral record and same overall record. Someone needs to toss these computers in the garbage.
Indiana 71.3pts for, 64.8 pts against +6.5, there is only six teams between 6.88 and 6.5, 11 point loss didn't drop them many in ratings of pts and efficiency.
So, basically, the "NET" rankings are an absurdly inaccurate method to rank teams.
Everybody with 2 eyes can see Rutgers is a top 30, if not top 25 team. Yet the NET has them at 80.
Can't imagine why the tournament selection committee uses it at all -- let alone rely on it so heavily (as I understand it).
Everybody with 2 eyes can see Rutgers is a top 30, if not top 25 team. Yet the NET has them at 80.
Can't imagine why the tournament selection committee uses it at all -- let alone rely on it so heavily (as I understand it).
Palm has us out and Indiana as a 10 seed. Explain that one to me.
As I said last week, Michigan and Indiana games are almost playoff games at this point(even though they shouldn’t be).
As I said last week, Michigan and Indiana games are almost playoff games at this point(even though they shouldn’t be).
so I gave you the net sos from last night.here is the updated from today since Indiana played
RU...35/305
Indiana...39/315
RU...35/305
Indiana...39/315
RU has to win one of those in all reality
he didnt update for today but I am assuming Indiana will fall into the last 4 in grouping for him after last night
Jerry has us out because our net is 80 and he is using the criteria that no team with a net worse than 72 or something like that has been selected. He will take these data points and use them when he does his selections. RU went from 11 seed to out of the field just by losing at Purdue a 2 seed. Jerry is a joke. He currently has 3 AAC schools in and that is not going to happen.
I dont know probably rpi or whatever he leans on......i took mine right from the ncaa site
I really think his just has to be wrong. Mathematically - if our non-conference was harder than theirs (which his numbers concur with), it doesn’t seem possible for their overall schedule to be harder. They played Nebraska twice. We play the top 3 BIG teams twice - and already played Illinois and Purdue twice. The math doesn’t work.
If you see really stupid, nonsensical SOS numbers anywhere they are probably from the RPI.
Yeah but it can’t be about that. His source is showing Rutgers to have a better OOC SOS. Even RPI is consistent with itself. We basically played the same conference opponents except they played Nebraska 2 times and we got an extra game with the Illini.
Do we have the same # of conference and out of conference games. Because if not it could theoretically be “inconsistent”.
Palm and his use of the RPI SOS is faulty.
RPI has always unfairly weighted bigger road victories against losing teams than close wins over quality opponents at home.
RPI has always unfairly weighted bigger road victories against losing teams than close wins over quality opponents at home.
We must. Both 16-10. They are 7-9. We are 10-6.
Unless the idiot is blending in Rider.
Didn't we have discussions about the SOS number being really badly off last year on the warren nolan team sheets?
Looks like warrennolan.com uses the RPI SOS on his team sheets. I remember last year the Seton Hall / Rutgers SOS being wacky. (he currently has NET SOS as N/A)
Yes. And those were extra ****** up last year because of the lack of OOC games.
He is a self-avowed Boilermaker homer who hates RU because we have been spanking them in recent years. To be expected.
Yes. That was why last year. In this case - you probably nailed it with the proportional games played. Playing the Rider game probably wouldn’t move our OOC SOS rank as we are already in the 300s. Adding another game like that to the overall SOS would have a big relative impact though. The model must be assuming we’re going to play that game. Only thing that makes sense.
RPI is an awful metric to use for SOS because of the uniform way the results blend in the calculation. For a bubble team the marginal increased difficulty of playing a 20-7 team vs a 17-10 team is much greater than the difference between playing a 6-21 cupcake vs a 3-24 cupcake. RPI assumes them to be the same (assuming their opponents all had similar results).
both schools have about the same garbage non conference sos its not really that much different
yeah we did
both rpi and sos appear on those sheets but for some reason today they are not giving the net sos it was there yesterday.
Playing Illinois twice vs. Nebraska twice is a big difference though. That’s the point.
Palm will be proven wrong. But let’s win these next games so they will be no doubt. BAC and the bracketologist Dave that BAC referred to above are 2 of the most accurate. Palm cites older rules that are not necessarily in place. ( like the 4 games above 500 rule ) There is an argument that the BIG 12 top to bottom is the best conference and these teams that had almost undefeated records out of conference are now barely above 500 now If you have watched Oklahoma , Oklahoma State ( ineligible ) , Kansas State , TCU , Iowa State , and the only straggler WVU , these are good teams that gave the top of the conference Kansas , Baylor , Texas Tech and Texas all they can handle and beat a few. That is why despite their overall records they are still on the bubble and not been eliminated.
Does anyone know how well BAC (i believe BAC did post his last year and was spot on), Palm and Lunardi did the last few years versus the final bracket. Less concerned on seeding and more on field.