really.. what are these guys arguing against? people going out of their way to say Ron messed up.. took his eye off the ball... his had was moved by Melendez impacting his elbow/upper-arm
Is Ron okay?
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Yup...I hadn't seen that freeze-frame before. It's a foul.really.. what are these guys arguing against?
I just made it... I could not believe people were still arguing this
And it explains the injury as well as the turnover. I suppose you can tell people what you saw on replay and they won't believe you.. maybe the screengrab will do the trick. But you had to see THAT moment.. before and after look clean.. other angles did not show it. After the arm impact Melendez steps cleanly around him.. because he moved Harper to to Harper's right... making room. Tough call for a ref... but a FOUL nonetheless.
Now you're talking. I bet Townes van Zandt, too.
Watched the replay again in full screen mode,...Melendez hits Ron's arm first and then his hand hits Ron's shoulder. As I said I didn't catch the arm contact first.
In before the usual suspects: but but but the refs were letting a lot of contact go....
I do not see that shoulder touch at all. Not sure what you are seeing. But I did not realize that it was the newly injured Harper who rebounded Melendez's miss after that "steal"... guessing the waves of pain did not hit until after that.
It appeared that his hand glances off Ron's shoulder after hitting Ron's arm. Again I did not see the arm-to-arm contact initially.
You should change your handle to BoBorowski.
Never said no contact. We would be giving up 85 pts per games if every slight contact was called. Basketball is not a non-contact sport.
Okay.. let's paint a picture here about CONTEXT of that NO CALL on Melendez..
Illinois is shooting double bonus but has only been called for 3 fouls.. with only 3:06 left in the 2nd half.. they are down by 13, 64 to 51 and desperately have been clawing back.. and NOT FOULING (or, rather, not being called for fouls).
Then this happens..
Bad foul, over the top on a rebound.. NOT CALLED...
ball gets tied up.. possession to Illinois
REF YOU SUCK !! is the chant.. deserved..
Illinois hits a 3-point shot.. down 10
We inbound.. ball is about halfway to Ron in this screengrab.. Melendez wasn't even in the picture when it was thrown. He is speeding toward a collision... easy thing to see for the ref at bottom of screen and the ref who has just exited up court at the top of the screen... WTF is that ref doing not being in the picture, BTW.. he need a head start to get back up court? Anyway.. Melendez does NOT get there in time to deflect the pass.. he pushes in Harper's arm to generate a turnover. The refs KNOW Illinois is desperate.. but cannot predict that foul is coming? He sped in from center court!
Here's how the basket cam caught the foul... notice Melendez' hand is riding UP Harper's upper arm.. he did not poke the ball out.. he pushed Harper's arm toward the ball... and, clearly, the angle showed he had to go THROUGH harper as this angle is right behind the basket.. from where we inbounded the ball.
F O U L
we had 10 fouls called on us and a good lead, Illinois is desperate but have only been called for 3 fouls.. had ONE FOUL most of the second half... but we cannot get that over-the-top rebound on their previous miss, nor can we get a call when crashed into at high speed on an inbound... SHAME on those refs.
Illinois is shooting double bonus but has only been called for 3 fouls.. with only 3:06 left in the 2nd half.. they are down by 13, 64 to 51 and desperately have been clawing back.. and NOT FOULING (or, rather, not being called for fouls).
Then this happens..
Bad foul, over the top on a rebound.. NOT CALLED...
ball gets tied up.. possession to Illinois
REF YOU SUCK !! is the chant.. deserved..
Illinois hits a 3-point shot.. down 10
We inbound.. ball is about halfway to Ron in this screengrab.. Melendez wasn't even in the picture when it was thrown. He is speeding toward a collision... easy thing to see for the ref at bottom of screen and the ref who has just exited up court at the top of the screen... WTF is that ref doing not being in the picture, BTW.. he need a head start to get back up court? Anyway.. Melendez does NOT get there in time to deflect the pass.. he pushes in Harper's arm to generate a turnover. The refs KNOW Illinois is desperate.. but cannot predict that foul is coming? He sped in from center court!
Here's how the basket cam caught the foul... notice Melendez' hand is riding UP Harper's upper arm.. he did not poke the ball out.. he pushed Harper's arm toward the ball... and, clearly, the angle showed he had to go THROUGH harper as this angle is right behind the basket.. from where we inbounded the ball.
F O U L
we had 10 fouls called on us and a good lead, Illinois is desperate but have only been called for 3 fouls.. had ONE FOUL most of the second half... but we cannot get that over-the-top rebound on their previous miss, nor can we get a call when crashed into at high speed on an inbound... SHAME on those refs.
Back to topic….. is Ron ok? How bad is the injury?
99.9% of the people checking this thread are looking for info regarding Ron's injury.
Can the absurd foul debate end please. Start your own thread and go nuts.
Can the absurd foul debate end please. Start your own thread and go nuts.
Rutgers said he’s day to day. Teammates etc said he’s in good spirits. Speculation is he’ll play Sunday vs Purdue. He’s been tweeting. Nothing about injury however.
Oops...ruball78 will have to settle for MiniMagoo then.
My major problem with basketball as a sport is the ability of officials to affect the outcome. True in all sports, but glaring in hoops. I like the fact that B1G officials generally let the guys play and decide the game for themselves.
If Ron comes back to the ball it doesn't happen. Simple as that. If you aren't expecting somebody to challenge you on an inbounds pass, that's on you. I guarantee you that Ron ,if asked, would say as much. Roles reversed he would be on that guy like white on rice. The bad guys are playing to win too.really.. what are these guys arguing against? people going out of their way to say Ron messed up.. took his eye off the ball... his had was moved by Melendez impacting his elbow/upper-arm
He's got two good legs and his shooting hand. Tape up his fingers and he's good to go.
If there was fear he could make it worse by playing at Purdue, I could see resting him for Michigan to allow more time to heal. If it's a matter of playing through pain only, then I expect him to give it a go.
Refs aren't going to reward Ron with a foul there for his lackadaisical effort. He was non schalant and careless like they weren't full court pressing. The "foul" and injury don't happen if he goes to the ball.
For another thread perhaps, but I wouldn't be so quick to lay so much fault on RHJ. Look at the players scrambling all over the court, Mulcahy is like a QB checking down on other options, sees Ron and fires it. We're talking about elite, Div1 athletes, some at least borderline pros. It was a bang-bang play, and a tough foul that the refs should have been watching for given the game circumstances.
He was probably instructed not to say anything about his injury.
Huh. Live from 8 rows up on the sideline it did not look like a foul. Seeing those pictures it clearly was. I wouldn’t call it dirty though. Also it looked to be the right side of the left hand ie pointer or maybe thumb. Hoping for the best.
yeah.. I see all the "NOT A FOUL" people want that aspect of the discussion to end. I agree. It was a foul. And it was okay for it to NOT be called.
But now people are still blaming Ron for not coming back to the ball? Nonsense. Harper found the open space and made himself available. No one was on him.. AND he got fouled. Coming back to the ball would just have put him closer to other Illinois defenders closer to the baseline. Melendez ran at him at high speed and did NOT get in front to break up the pass.. he fouled Harper.
"reward him with a foul"?
What is that about? Refs are not out there to "reward" anyone. Or should not be. They certainly did not "reward" Rutgers for taking a big league and forcing Illinois to play with desperation.
Harper found the open space for the pass and got there and a player ran through his arm. I can see refs missing that call.. but there were other calls they did not make that they should not have missed.
The argument here was whether it was a foul or not.. not whether it should have been called. And to make this about Harper not coming back for the ball.. to blame him for his own injury caused by a foul that was, in turn, caused by our teams good play forcing Illinois to desperation measures?
Why would you take that position?.. just to find another way to claim it was not a "foul" (yeah, I noticed your "quotes").
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