Eastern Basketball "elites"

[NightKnight]

Here's my current ranking of the historic elite eastern basketball programs that used to clog the top 25:
Rank Team Record (in conf) Net
8 Providence.... 21-2 (11-1) ... 30... Could be a top 25 program for years
10 Villanova..... 19-6 (12-3)... 6... National top 5 and best program in the east
24 Uconn...... 17-7 (8-5)... 18... Back as top 25 program
Rutgers........... 15-9 (9-5)... 81... 4th at moment and in general
Seton Hall....... 15-8 (6-7)... 34... Will go to NCAA most years
Syracuse ........ 13-12 (7-7)... 85... Will be irrelevant post Boehiem
St. John's........ 13-11 (5-8)... 88... Hard to say
Maryland...... 11-14 (3-11)... 99... Not going away
Boston College.. 9-14 (4-9)... 167... Irrelevant
Pitt................. 10-16 (5-10)... 179... Irrelevant
Temple .......... 13-9 (6-5)... 117... Irrelevant
Umass.............. 11-12 (4-7)... 175... Irrelevant
Georgetown.... 6-18 (0-13)... 215... Hard to imagine that Hoyas are so used to losing that this is their habit now

These are the "elite" programs going back to ascendance of the Big East in the 80's. For most of that time RU has been at or near the bottom of this list. For the 1980-2020 period collectively, I'm sure RU is at the bottom by a large margin. So, these are the good old days -enjoy them.

 

[bac2therac]

what is amazing is everyone thought the Big East would pretty die but its actually surviving. Its the ACC that added Pitt and Cuse that died.

I dont see St Johns ever coming back, that ship has sailed.

BC is totally irrelevant, no shot at ever being a player again.

Pitt's fall has been terrifically spectacular

Umass was once in a lifetime program under Calipari thats all it ever was

Georgetown needs to fire Ewing and finally break free from the Thompson legacy.

 

[NightKnight]

Patrick Ewing is Eddie Jordan.

 

[Letitrip]

What this chart really exposes is the totally flawed NET ranking.

 

[bigmatt718]

what is amazing is everyone thought the Big East would pretty die but its actually surviving. Its the ACC that added Pitt and Cuse that died.

I dont see St Johns ever coming back, that ship has sailed.

BC is totally irrelevant, no shot at ever being a player again.

Pitt's fall has been terrifically spectacular

Umass was once in a lifetime program under Calipari thats all it ever was

Georgetown needs to fire Ewing and finally break free from the Thompson legacy.

Here's my theory on why the ACC has completely fallen apart in basketball while the B1G and BE are thriving:

When the B1G added Rutgers and Maryland, it cut the ACC off from DC to NYC in terms of basketball recruiting. Pitt is 5 hours from Philly and Cuse is 5 hours from NYC. B1G has 2 teams (RU and MD) and BE has 4 teams (GTown, Nova, SHU, and SJU) from DC to NYC. Once the ACC was cut off from the Northeast for recruiting, it crippled them long term. B1G meanwhile got stronger in basketball with only the BE as competition for the Northeast basketball recruits.

 

[kcg88]

Not a coincidence that programs in major east coast cities (NYC, DC, Boston, Philly, plus Pitt if you stretch the definition of major city) are all down. I'm sure there a million reasons why but it's clear the landscape has changed. None of the talent that the cities produce actually play in the city anymore. These kids are playing in the suburbs or moving to a prep school in another state. If Chris Mullin was coming up today he'd probably be playing on Long Island, in Jersey, or like the Donda Academy in California.

The state of New York (the entire state!) doesn't have a 4* prospect for the class of 2023. Can you believe that?

Then you've got Dariq Whitehead from Newark but he's considered a Florida recruit by the websites because he plays for Montverde. So the northeast schools aren't competing with each other for him, they're competing with the entire country (he's going to Duke).

 

[LeapinLou]

If they could have a do over, I wonder if the ACC would take RU over Syracuse.

 

[rutger80]

The old time ACC folks are as unhappy with the expansion as the old time B1G folks are.

 

[G- RUnit]

Patrick Ewing is Eddie Jordan.

Patrick Ewing is Eddie Jordan is Chris Mullin.

 

[G- RUnit]

If they could have a do over, I wonder if the ACC would take RU over Syracuse.

Or had they been even smarter, ACC should have taken RU and UConn and have the entire Atlantic Coast. Didn’t Coach K suggest that? North and South Divisions. Although if B1G came calling…

FSU was the big no way? They never were very smart. Bite off nose to spite the face.

To be fair think Miami and Va Tech have improved in the ACC. Louisville has a host of issues and just can’t seem to find a decent coach. Can’t imagine them staying down.
BC and Pitt should be good. Fun cities and college towns so will always have potential with right hire.
I don’t know what will happen with Cuse when Boehein is gone for good. They may become UMass.

 

[Morrischiano2]

Here's my theory on why the ACC has completely fallen apart in basketball while the B1G and BE are thriving:

When the B1G added Rutgers and Maryland, it cut the ACC off from DC to NYC in terms of basketball recruiting. Pitt is 5 hours from Philly and Cuse is 5 hours from NYC. B1G has 2 teams (RU and MD) and BE has 4 teams (GTown, Nova, SHU, and SJU) from DC to NYC. Once the ACC was cut off from the Northeast for recruiting, it crippled them long term. B1G meanwhile got stronger in basketball with only the BE as competition for the Northeast basketball recruits.

Syracuse, UNC & Duke recruit nationally; they can get whomever they want from the NE. Your statement might be more accurate if you said it has had an adverse affect on BC & Pitt's access to the DC-NYC corridor (not the entire ACC).

 

[bigmatt718]

Syracuse, UNC & Duke recruit nationally; they can get whomever they want from the NE. Your statement might be more accurate if you said it has had an adverse affect on BC & Pitt's access to the DC-NYC corridor (not the entire ACC).

Cuse recruit nationally? That's the funniest thing I've heard today. Boeheim is gonna retire to Shady Acres Retirement Home after his sons graduate, and then Cuse will go the way of UMass.

 

[RUChoppin]

Syracuse, UNC & Duke recruit nationally; they can get whomever they want from the NE. Your statement might be more accurate if you said it has had an adverse affect on BC & Pitt's access to the DC-NYC corridor (not the entire ACC).

Syracuse's 8-man rotation has 4 guys from NY, 1 from RI, 1 from MD, and 2 from overseas. For the last several years, most of their rotation has come from NY or within 2 states drive (or over the border into Canada).

 

[kcg88]

Syracuse's 8-man rotation has 4 guys from NY, 1 from RI, 1 from MD, and 2 from overseas. For the last several years, most of their rotation has come from NY or within 2 states drive (or over the border into Canada).

Syracuse built their best teams off Philly and Baltimore guys. They haven't been recruiting there as much lately (Benny Williams from MD is one exception).

 

[GM]

Cuse recruit nationally? That's the funniest thing I've heard today. Boeheim is gonna retire to Shady Acres Retirement Home after his sons graduate, and then will go the way of UMass.

Tbf, they beat us out for Bunch

 

[Morrischiano2]

Syracuse's 8-man rotation has 4 guys from NY, 1 from RI, 1 from MD, and 2 from overseas. For the last several years, most of their rotation has come from NY or within 2 states drive (or over the border into Canada).

I guess that validates my ultimate point in that Cuse, UNC & Duke are not affected.

 

[RUChoppin]

I guess that validates my ultimate point in that Cuse, UNC & Duke are not affected.

Cuse recruits its home state hard, and draws some people with Boeheim's name. Will be interesting to see what recruiting will look like once he's gone.