I guess that's kind of my point then. Pikiell says he only wants unselfish guys. Pikiell took Hyatt. Ergo, you'd think Hyatt is unselfish. But then Hyatt has tended to play quite selfishly. So maybe there's more to this whole process than only bringing in guys you think are unselfish.
Caleb on fence about returning?
- Thread starter RUsojo
- Start date
Well, you started the thread and referenced it being leaked and reported. So again, from where and by who?
Sure, but my guess is Hyatt didn’t demand court time or shots.
Hyatt is taking a more shots than he should at the moment. I think he plays a fair bit when Ron is on the bench, and since Ron is our highest volume shooter, it leaves a gap for people to fill. But I don’t think that’s enough of factor to reasonably forgive Hyatt. Needs to take less shots or be more efficient.
Hyatt is well below anyone in the rotation defensively. It isn't close.
Right. And I think it was fair for Pikiell to not take anyone he thought was going to be a ballhog with Geo, Harper, and Mulcahy on the roster. Going into next season however we kind of need one or two "selfish" players who are looking to get shots up.
His d rating is better than Miller Geo Mag and Palmquist and .5 worse than Paul. I would say that relegates “Hyatt is well below anyone in the rotation defensively” and “it isn’t close” unequivocally false or disingenuous at best. Dbpm shows much less favorably for him but above Mag and Palm. It shows miller favorably.
I don't know of any serious basketball analysts who believe you can measure an individual player's defense in one number.
The only other player who is as impactful as Caleb on defense, at the moment, is Paul. They are different players and have different impacts. But both are huge components of the defense when it's at it's best. And I would argue that neither one would be quite as good at what they do without the other because I think they are complimentary in their skill sets - they appear to me to make each other better.
Miller is a first year player, so he's obviously not at the level of the other upper-classmen at defense. However, he does, to me, demonstrate the qualities necessary for a great defender. I said "poised", but perhaps I should instead say he demonstrates a lot of potential. That potential may be realized. Or it may not. Only time will tell.
He has energy, but he also has lateral quickness and acceleration. Defending the ball, he does well enough now that the coaching staff inserts him into the defense to guard pretty good point players from other teams. And he will only get better at that as they work on his footwork and technique in general.
What remains to be seen is if he will develop the timing (aka next pass anticipation - CM is great at this), cue-recognition (aka anticipation of where the ball will go after the next pass - PM is great at this), and discipline and other team-defending skills that he'll need to be truly great and well-rounded defender.
Again, only time will tell. But I see definite signs of potential. Hope he fulfills that potential.
It’s not the number of shots Hyatt has taken that I have a problem with, it’s the quality of shots that’s been more concerning to me. Very easy fix, just like his sloppy turnovers.
Claims to be an analytical expert then uses DRTG as an individual statistic
Please explain what a D rating is and how it is calculated. If it some number that tries to quantify defense based on steal and blocks it is a complete waste.
To me - the standard of losing his man or not knowing his assignments all the time. Causing open guys or our defense to collapse. I asked in another thread - is there a stat for that?
Its happened throughout the season and been very obvious after his teammates or coaches have to talk to him (at least in person at games, not sure if this is always picked up on tv).
Again I think a very easy fix and it will (and is coming with time).
But not everything can be measured perfectly in a statistic, especially if that statistic doesn’t exist.
In these situations I tend to think if it’s an easy fix it would already be fixed. Like geo conversation about going to the rim more. If these guys could routinely get in positions for more quality shots they would do it but they have varying limitations that prevent them from improving their shot quality (obviously we’re talking different planes of efficient between those two guys).
What games? I’ll go back and watch. Haven’t got the impression that’s happening to him more than others.
Miller is as impactful on D as Caleb when playing in small minutes. I don't think right now Miller can do it for as many minutes as Caleb. Cliff is getting up their in importance defensively.
You can't actually be watching the games and really think Hyatt is a better defender than Mag....
Well I meant more that Hyatt taking quality shots is an easy fix (it just requires not taking I’ll advised, forced or hurried shots). It wasn’t fixed for awhile which is partly why his minutes were reduced (which then also fed into his struggles on the court when he did find minutes).
I guess if he takes more quality shots his overall shot # has to go down, so I do agree with that then.
Overall I want Hyatt to be aggressive and look for his shot - just needs to let the game come to him more.
Honestly I can’t recall the specific games or plays (I know that’s a weak answer).
But it’s happened with him moreso than many other guys I can tell you that.
Maybe someone else can remember some specifics.
I thought the shots he took against Ohio State were good. 2-2 from 2 point and the 3 pointer he missed was a good luck. He also got fouled going up once but it was weirdly called a foul on the floor. The problem was the 2 turnovers.
Agree I liked what I saw out of Hyatt vs. Ohio State. That shot to end the first half was a thing of beauty.
I think he’s on the right path, just took a bit more time than many expected. If he can get in a groove down the stretch we’re gonna be an even more dangerous team (assuming everyone else keeps playing well).
Hyatt's defense has been a little better lately.. I think lol. I think he's trying harder, but it almost looks as if this is the first time anyone has ever coached him on defense... like he's thinking and trying to process all the information instead of it being more instinctual
I have noticed a couple times where someone has gotten a 3 and Hyatt is there, but a little too far off. It's not uncontested completely, but he should be a little tighter. Immediately yanked after though.
It's hard to get into rhythm and play confidently with that type of leash and it has to be frustrating watching certain other players have mental lapses on D and give up open 3's without consequences.
I thought he gave some good minutes against OSU and didn't force it really. The one terrible TO wasn't even forcing it. It was just face palm bad pick up game level TO. He really does need to cut down on the awful TOs bc he has some really poor ones. As some have said in other posts, he gives you one of those each game seemingly.
I have noticed a couple times where someone has gotten a 3 and Hyatt is there, but a little too far off. It's not uncontested completely, but he should be a little tighter. Immediately yanked after though.
It's hard to get into rhythm and play confidently with that type of leash and it has to be frustrating watching certain other players have mental lapses on D and give up open 3's without consequences.
I thought he gave some good minutes against OSU and didn't force it really. The one terrible TO wasn't even forcing it. It was just face palm bad pick up game level TO. He really does need to cut down on the awful TOs bc he has some really poor ones. As some have said in other posts, he gives you one of those each game seemingly.
Sorry but this is just incredibly short-sighted in today's game.
This is such a BS thread. Comes on here and says there are rumors of Caleb saying he wants to leave and won’t say where he heard them. Get lost Sojo.
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
I have no insight on the bball team at this time. But its his 4th year. He probably will try to make a couple bucks in Europe while he can. It’ll be peanuts but he’ll try to
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
Knowing absolutely nothing about what the players are thinking, I was thinking it's highly likely that RHJ will move on and Caleb will stay. I get the idea that Caleb's not from Jersey and some of his best friends are moving on, but staying seems like a really great option for him. For Ron, it seems like his college career has run its course. The only possible consideration with Harper, is he and his family aren't hurting financially so that gives him the freedom to consider playing college ball for us or somebody else for one more year.
Pike has taken plenty of transfers - Gettys, Kiss, Young, Yeboah, Hyatt, Agee…
Not sure it is selfish as much as being in a rush to show the staff he deserves minutes.
That's not what his post said.
This is a non story. Caleb hasn't decided if he is returning or leaving. Same place we were in before this thread started.
He's got an extra year, but he's been here a while and his boys are leaving. He's not from NJ.
This was always going to be a situation where he has to weigh his options after the season. I hope we don't see him transfer which is least likely IMO. It's going to be whether he wants to play college ball vs try pro overseas vs graduate and move on without going pro
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
Over 6 years. Hes rarely going after the highest quality guys. On this years seton hall team alone
- Bryce Aiken
- Kadary Richmond
- Ike Obiagu
- Trey Jackson
- Yetna
- Jamir Harris
these guys arent slouches you bury on the bench either.
i get people like pike but youre not required to defend him at every turn. His portal philosophy is antiquated and that is putting it nicely
I love what Paul brings to this team. I love what Caleb brings to the team. I know we are feeling good about our offense right now based on the way we have played over the past 2 1/2 games. It is a HUGE ask to be an above average offense (from a power conference perspective) with Paul and Caleb's perimeter games.
You could see that during the last game. We pulled it out and that was great, but we were shooting a higher percentage for the entire game, yet struggled to keep pace because they were draining more 3s.
A
anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
Guest
Impossible to judge recruits off highlight tapes in bball. Alot easier in football. Bball analysis you really have to watch some full games
He took it from Bobby on TOS paid board. He tends to do that and pretend he has insider info, which he then asks Kyk about as though he has insider info.
Tks. So basically just stirring up sh*t. Worst part is engaging Kyk, who per usual when RU is riding a high has been quiet as a church mouse.