It was time for Myles to move on. Cliff was ready to be the guy. His overall game is better already which is impressive. Reiber stepping up is a great story too. His next step is translating his game consistently against more athletic guys. If he keeps working hard he can be a real asset.
Would your rather have Cliff or Myles?
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I loved Miles
Great defender and rebounder
But
Cliff scoring 3 pts more a game then Miles
.5 rebounds less a game
Shoots foul shots much better (60% to 43%)
Keeping miles on the floor was always tough with foul trouble and Cliff seems to avoid it
Cliff is a much better finisher
Cliff is not the liability Miles was at the line
Cliff can actually make a 15 footer
No doubt for me
Cliff
Great defender and rebounder
But
Cliff scoring 3 pts more a game then Miles
.5 rebounds less a game
Shoots foul shots much better (60% to 43%)
Keeping miles on the floor was always tough with foul trouble and Cliff seems to avoid it
Cliff is a much better finisher
Cliff is not the liability Miles was at the line
Cliff can actually make a 15 footer
No doubt for me
Cliff
With Cliff's motor and Paul playing faster the last few games this team is playing like I hoped they would at the beginning of the year. MJ really slowed them down last year and PM was dribbling the air out of the ball most of this year. This opens up RHJ as a spot up shooter which is what he does best and let's Geo roam free. Last year we relied on Young's speed too much. Now the offense is playing faster and is much more effective.
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I’m not sure there is a situation where Johnson and cliff could have coexisted. Neither one can play the 4 and cliff is too talented for back up minutes. It would have been a delicate situation for pike.
IMO if Young and Myles stayed we’ve been Final Four good. That said, Cliff’s offensive game has already eclipsed Myles. And I expect next year Cliff’s compete game will far exceed what Myles gave us
Myles is not lost What seems lost on many fans is that Myles is focused as much or more on his academics and a career outside of basketball. How many college athletes graduate magna *** laude in electrical and computer engineering, intern for IBM, pursue a master's in electrical and computer engineering at a top 10 university, and start their own company? Myles seems to be right where he wants to be.
Very happy for Myles that he is pursuing his goals and his career.
Very happy that Cliff has had the opportunity to step up big time and grow and improve.
Win-win.
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Ah, dunks as someone mentions above. If Myles dunk late in the Houston game goes down we’re in the Sweet 16 and then….
Anyway I like Cliff’s dunks better.
I Loved Myles but we’re better off with Cliff at this point.
Anyway I like Cliff’s dunks better.
I Loved Myles but we’re better off with Cliff at this point.
I think if Myles stayed Cliff still would have started. Remember he started last year before the injury
You don't need to lecture me on Myles. I was talking strictly about hoops and have been his biggest fan since before he even came here, as one of my best friends was his academic host on his visit to the eng'g school and was a key reason why Myles came to RU - they hit it off great, especially since she also speaks Japanese. I know in great detail everything he accomplished here, academically, and have posted on it numerous times, as my friend continued to be a close mentor of Myles's throughout his time here (and still is).
That doesn't mean he made the right move for his hoops career, as he looks lost with UCLA's style of play - he went from an 8/8 guy with RU and the anchor of the defense to significantly less minutes and is a 4/5 guy there. If all he wanted to do was go to UCLA for his MS in eng'g, he didn't need to play hoops at all, as they would have brought him in without question, as most eng'g schools do with top students, and paid his tuition and a stipend and he wouldn't have had to waste his time playing hoops.
I may have been a crowd of one, regarding blocks. But I have to say, Cliff is definitely becoming more of a threat to block, which is always a good thing.
By the way, Caleb’s block was extraordinary, not only because it saved us from a sure 2-points by OSU, but because we came away with the ball. Those blocks are always a really good thing.
"You don't need to lecture me. . . ."? Pot meet kettle. You are trying to make this more about you and your friend, but the reality is in all of the media pieces on Myles, it is clear that for Myles, academics and life outside of basketball receives much more focus than for other players. And I am well aware of how graduate scholarships work with top engineering and STEM students, so no need to lecture me on that.
First, Myles is much closer to home and his family, which probably mattered a lot to him, as he seems very close to his mother and father. Rutgers was his sole P5 (and probably his best) offer out of high school, and this was his chance to play close to home at the end of his career versus across the country.
Second, without discounting the quality of Rutgers Computer and Electrical Engineering, he is earning a degree from UCLA, which is a much more prominent and higher ranked higher than Rutgers.
Third, Myles is smart enough to know that he was going to a much better basketball team (consistently and currently ranked top 10) and that he was going to have to earn his minutes and role on the team.
As far as "significantly less minutes" that is in the eye of the beholder. He is playing 18.2 minutes per game, and is starting fewer games than he did at Rutgers, but see third above. Last year, he played 24.7 minutes per game, but with the emergence of Cliff and the need to give Cliff more minutes, he may have been playing fewer minutes at Rutgers as well. Nobody knows how that would have played out. In the video I posted, he seems perfectly happy with his place at UCLA, including basketball.
Sometimes I think people start threads knowing they will turn ugly and that's the purpose.
What's the point of asking would we rather have Myles or Cliff. They play the same position, but do it very differently. Both have pluses and minuses. The casual fan will want the current shinny new toy, the long time suffering fan would want the guy who helped us get out of purgatory.
Myles was great for his career at RU and will Cliff when his career is done.
Let's focus on supporting the current roster and hopefully look forward to out third win in a row over a ranked team.
What's the point of asking would we rather have Myles or Cliff. They play the same position, but do it very differently. Both have pluses and minuses. The casual fan will want the current shinny new toy, the long time suffering fan would want the guy who helped us get out of purgatory.
Myles was great for his career at RU and will Cliff when his career is done.
Let's focus on supporting the current roster and hopefully look forward to out third win in a row over a ranked team.
Cliff 641 minutes thru 23, 113-181, FT 37-62, 11.4 pts
Myles 692 minutes in 28, 98-156, FT 27-62, 8.0 pts
Cliff 2.4/5.5 Total 7.9, 8ast, 13stl, 29blk, 35 TOs, 50 PFs
Myles 2.9/5.6 Total 8.5, 22ast, 32stl, 68blk, 34 TOs, 72 PFs
I would still taking Cliff this year over Myles, and his future all around potential next year being one of the best bigs in the country next year.
Myles 692 minutes in 28, 98-156, FT 27-62, 8.0 pts
Cliff 2.4/5.5 Total 7.9, 8ast, 13stl, 29blk, 35 TOs, 50 PFs
Myles 2.9/5.6 Total 8.5, 22ast, 32stl, 68blk, 34 TOs, 72 PFs
I would still taking Cliff this year over Myles, and his future all around potential next year being one of the best bigs in the country next year.
You're simply off base in this thread. It's a thread about basketball, not engineering, but you went out of your way to lecture only me on Myles and eng'g at UCLA, despite me not saying a word about eng'g or his life outside of hoops and despite many others saying similar things as I did about Myles not playing as well this year for UCLA.
And you lectured one of the only people on here who probably didn't need the lecture, given how often I've touted what Myles brings to the table from the academics side of things, but you probably missed all those posts, because you spend very little time on the hoops board - which is why I talked about my friend, since you likely hadn't seen those posts. I can link those posts if you like.
And now you've double downed by posting even more about non-basketball stuff that everyone here is aware of: of course, being close to home and family, especially after being isolated from them during COVID, would be really important to him and yes, UCLA is a very good eng'g school and ranked more highly than RU, but again those have little to do with basketball. Also, not everybody chooses schools based on rankings - I could have gone to any undergrad or grad school I wanted to, but chose RU for both, because I simply really liked the people I met here and was confident this could be a very good place for me and I was right. And by the way Myles created "BLKdev" while at RU, not at UCLA and I'm pretty sure he could've kept doing great things while getting his MS at RU.
But at least you finally said something about hoops. 6.5 minutes per game is significantly less (about 25% less) than last year no matter how you cut it and his production is down even more than that, with his ppg cut in half. If you don't think that, in hindsight, from a hoops perspective, he has taken a step back, then you're not evaluating the data properly. I will agree that we don't know how things would've played out this year, but my guess is that Myles would've still played 24-25 minutes at the 5, with Cliff playing the other 15 and about 10 more at the 4 - would've been cool to see them both on the floor at the same time - would've been a real match-up problem for other teams, although perhaps they wouldn't have been good together, either. Hard to say, but I wish we had that problem of figuring it out.
can anyone post when Myles hit the big shot late in a big time game?....where he called for the ball and got it done?
Myles had a tendency to kick the ball back out to Geo, or a guard, when the game was on the line.....he did not want to be
"the man"
Cliff, on the other hand, flushed down the tying basket against O State....he wanted the ball, got in position for it, and got it done
I wish he was on the court instead of Myles, at the time of the blown dunk to go up 10 against Houston..... could have been the difference.
Myles had a tendency to kick the ball back out to Geo, or a guard, when the game was on the line.....he did not want to be
"the man"
Cliff, on the other hand, flushed down the tying basket against O State....he wanted the ball, got in position for it, and got it done
I wish he was on the court instead of Myles, at the time of the blown dunk to go up 10 against Houston..... could have been the difference.
At our worst (three deadly losses) we would have been better as I don't think anyone could have bottled up JY. But right now the team is really cohesive (on the court and seemingly off, except with the possible exception of Jaden) and I don't think that would have happened if those three stayed.
Cliff is pretty good, but Myles was our best player. I would have preferred to have them both. Are we so good that Cliff at center and Myles playing power forward would have improved us?
Come on, Myles was not our best player. He had almost no offensive game. With that said, we would be a better team if we had Myles.
I love how much Cliff has improved. but I worry about one thing about him, I afraid he is going to bite his tongue off running up court.
Actually, this is “lost on” about 0% of the fans who post on this board. It is just off-topic.
Have seen Myles play three times this year, looks out of shape and out of sorts, and also his strengths are not well used in the UCLA offense. From a basketball perspective UCLA was a bad fit for Myles, but we all know Myles has other aspirations.
Cliff strengths, way better athlete, much quicker, (very quick off the floor) has developed a nice 10-15 ft jumper (his range and accuracy will only get better). Plus he's working hard to develop his game.
Needs to continue to develop and build on his fundamentals, he is still relatively new to the game so there is still a ton of upside
Settings picks and screens is a work in progress and needs to and can be much better.
Rebounding and defense can greatly improve, he is often out of position, a lot of this is footwork, he often does not get squared up positionally, and ends up playing small. He has improved on this throughout the year but is still a work in progress.
Ultimately Cliff will continue to develop, he works hard and his upside is off the charts.
Oh and for a big man, he is decent from the foul line, this allows him to be on the floor in end of game situations where you may need your big for a block opportunity or rebound, not to mention jamming one down as he did against OSU.
Cliff strengths, way better athlete, much quicker, (very quick off the floor) has developed a nice 10-15 ft jumper (his range and accuracy will only get better). Plus he's working hard to develop his game.
Needs to continue to develop and build on his fundamentals, he is still relatively new to the game so there is still a ton of upside
Settings picks and screens is a work in progress and needs to and can be much better.
Rebounding and defense can greatly improve, he is often out of position, a lot of this is footwork, he often does not get squared up positionally, and ends up playing small. He has improved on this throughout the year but is still a work in progress.
Ultimately Cliff will continue to develop, he works hard and his upside is off the charts.
Oh and for a big man, he is decent from the foul line, this allows him to be on the floor in end of game situations where you may need your big for a block opportunity or rebound, not to mention jamming one down as he did against OSU.
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