RU was 14-40 from 2-point range. If we shoot just 50% we win easily. Been a problem for us all year.
Abysmal 2-point shooting
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Yes especially last 3 games we just cannot make a basket. 1-16 at one stretch in the first half and we only lost by 8. Incredibly frustrating BUT you are what your record says you are. This team cannot SHOOT and the last 2 teams we played couldn’t miss from 3
Once again the difference in the game was that Maryland had two players who could create and make shots off the dribble.In contrast Harper was mising in action in the first half and Baker only scored two points in the second half.Rutgers had the lead at 7-4 and from that point on Maryland dominated the game with a barrage of 3 pointers.The pathetic offense is caused by a squad full of woeful shooters who can't finish around the basket or even get fouled while trying .to make a basket.Bottom line mediocre recruitiing is coming back to haunt Rutgers and there is no place to hide in the Big Ten.
Amazing how bad we shot the ball. It really gives the other team confidence when you can’t buy a bucket.
Its not amazing. What is amazing is how consistent that has been the last few years and how so little has been done to address it. Yes, defense is great and definitely like the emphasis there, but the object of the game is to put the spherical object through the circular object. We have maybe 1 or 2 people at best that can do that, yet even teams lower than us seem to have more people that can do that. Folks chose to believe we didn't need shooters to win.
Bc according to Pike offense doesn’t matter. It’s all about Defense and Rebounding and getting guys with length.
MIC DROP STATS
*****GEO BAKER 2PT 1-6, 0-1 rim, 1-5 mid*****
*****CALEB MCCONNELL 2PT 1-9, 1-6 rim, 0-3 mid*****
*****AUNDRE HYATT 2PT 0-2, mid range 2S******
*****TOTAL 2-17 11.8%*****
Dean 0-2 rim, 0-1 mid, Mag 0-1 rim = 2-21 9.5% from 2
1-10 rim, 1-11 mid range
Rest of team 12-19 63.2%(Cliff 5-7, Ron 7-12)
If they hit 8, 9, 10 of 21 we win.
*****GEO BAKER 2PT 1-6, 0-1 rim, 1-5 mid*****
*****CALEB MCCONNELL 2PT 1-9, 1-6 rim, 0-3 mid*****
*****AUNDRE HYATT 2PT 0-2, mid range 2S******
*****TOTAL 2-17 11.8%*****
Dean 0-2 rim, 0-1 mid, Mag 0-1 rim = 2-21 9.5% from 2
1-10 rim, 1-11 mid range
Rest of team 12-19 63.2%(Cliff 5-7, Ron 7-12)
If they hit 8, 9, 10 of 21 we win.
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At the rim thru 19 games, Rutgers is shooting 228-380(20per) 60%, slightly better than 20-21 and 19-20, but not at the same shot rate, 21 in 20-21, and 24.5 in 19-20, and the rate of mid range shot has gone up from 15.6 to 17.6 to 20.2 this year, why we have had a decline in play this year. Ron is suffering the most, 65% around the rim the last 2 years, 54.5% this year.
Cliff Rim 74-105 70.5% (5.5), 19 games
70.5% is where the top teams in the country shoot at around the rim, 67-73%
Ron 42-77 54.5%(4), Geo 9-15, Paul 24-47(2.5), Hyatt 16-28 57.1%, Jaden 9-14 64.3% Palm 2-4, Ralph 9-12 75%, Dean 12-20 60%, Mag 10-20, Caleb 15-27, Jalen 5-10. No one else is attempting 2 FGAs around the rim per game.
As much as Paul tries, Cliff and Ron need help inside that just isn't there in shot selections. We need to find another post up threat 3-5 shots a game, and give that post up threat more minutes, maybe Hyatt, Ralph, Jaden, Palm, Dean? We can't keep playing 30 minutes of Caleb, Paul, Geo, RHJ, and Cliff show, the scouting report to beat us is real.
Cliff Rim 74-105 70.5% (5.5), 19 games
70.5% is where the top teams in the country shoot at around the rim, 67-73%
Ron 42-77 54.5%(4), Geo 9-15, Paul 24-47(2.5), Hyatt 16-28 57.1%, Jaden 9-14 64.3% Palm 2-4, Ralph 9-12 75%, Dean 12-20 60%, Mag 10-20, Caleb 15-27, Jalen 5-10. No one else is attempting 2 FGAs around the rim per game.
As much as Paul tries, Cliff and Ron need help inside that just isn't there in shot selections. We need to find another post up threat 3-5 shots a game, and give that post up threat more minutes, maybe Hyatt, Ralph, Jaden, Palm, Dean? We can't keep playing 30 minutes of Caleb, Paul, Geo, RHJ, and Cliff show, the scouting report to beat us is real.
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The repeated shooting inconsistency of our players is hard to understand. It's like there's "something in the water".... Almost makes me wonder if the RU practices, or conditioning workouts, leave players with tight or tired arms or legs, or too much lactic acid in their muscles come gametime... And it seemed like more of our shots missed short later in the game last night as players became more fatigued...
If your team is terrible at mid range you should really try to not shoot them. Analytics don't like them anyway so if your team is inefficient in a category analytics say don't take then you should reallyyyy stay away
How about that we haven’t recruited good shooters? The team’s shooting has been consistently bad from year to year. It’s not hard to figure out.
Didn't keep list rim/mid stats
2008 2pt 514-1181 43.5% 3pt 170-536 31.7% (Hill) OffE 278th D 88th
2009 2pt 558-1182 47.2% 3pt 167-565 29.6% OffE 241st D 60th
2010 Rim 359-623 57.6 Mid 186-525 35.4(47.4) 3s 200-607 32.9 O 163 D 158
2011 354-618 57.3% 253-646 39.2%(48.0) 3s 175-509 34.4 (Rice) O 82 D 86
2012 372-691 53.8% 223-605 36.9%(45.8) 3s 169-504 33.5% O 182 D 59
2013 374-666 56.2% 223-604 36.9%(47.0) *3s 150-420 35.7%* O 82 D 147
Mostly Carter, Mack, Seagears from 3
2014 *380-633 60.0%* 214-657 32.6(46.0) 3s 188-571 32.9(Jordan)
Judge, Jack, Etou, JJ Moore, Malik Kone inside O 148 D 209
2015 317-566 56.0% 216-663 32.6%(43.3) 3s 152-512 29.6% 0 278 D 110
2016 426-783 54.4% 173-550 31.5%(44.9) 3s 156-485 32.2% O 303 D 236
KP #279 7-25, 278 Stetson 12-22 280 FDU 18-15
This is what stats were like before Pike
Under Pike..
2016-17 #135 15-18 O 231 D 71
2017-18 #130 15-19 O 278 D 28
2018-19 #78 14-17 O 152 D 46
2019-20 #28 20-11 O 72 D 6
2020-21 #38 16-12 O 82 D 16
2021-22 # 96 11-8 O 170 D 53
2016 Nigel Johnson R 41-84 48.8%, M 36-118 30.5%
Mike Williams 49-92 53.3%, 19-53 35.8%
Deshawn Freeman 108-183 56.8%, 21-74 28.4%
CJ Gettys 73-112 65.2%, 28-75 37.3%
Corey Sanders 101-202 50%, 39-140 27.9%
Doorson 13-23, 5-9, Sa 25-47, 6-26, Thiam 10-13, 2-16
Laurent 24-46, 4-16, EO 21-41, 7-27, Diallo 5-17, 1-7
Rim 467-861 54.2% & Mid 168-563 29.8% OffE- 231st 44.5%, 30.2% 3
Nigel, Laurent, Diallo transfer
Corey 87-165 52.7%, 92-241 38.2%
Geo 26-50 52.0%, 43-134 32.1%
Deshawn 88-166 53%, 34-128 26.6%
Mike 36-63 57.1%, 21-50 42%
EO 72-122 59%, 22-72 30.6%
Thiam 21-33, 16-44, Doorson 16-25, 2-4, Bullock 4-7, 5-10
Doucoure 16-35, 20-67, Sa 15-24, 8-30, Souf 3-9, 0-9
Rim 384-700 54.9%, Mid 265-794 33.4% Off E- 278, 43.4%, 29.7% 3
It is more efficient to miss from around the rim or from the arc than miss tons of Mid range shots. I'd say that's coaching up players. The new players need to get on board with it otherwise, we will continue to see 30+ minute starters and less efficient Offense and more losses pile as the year drags on from tired legs. It's how all top teams become top teams. They will see this anywhere they go if you transfer to another competitive P6 team., which JY, MM or Myles is seeing.
2008 2pt 514-1181 43.5% 3pt 170-536 31.7% (Hill) OffE 278th D 88th
2009 2pt 558-1182 47.2% 3pt 167-565 29.6% OffE 241st D 60th
2010 Rim 359-623 57.6 Mid 186-525 35.4(47.4) 3s 200-607 32.9 O 163 D 158
2011 354-618 57.3% 253-646 39.2%(48.0) 3s 175-509 34.4 (Rice) O 82 D 86
2012 372-691 53.8% 223-605 36.9%(45.8) 3s 169-504 33.5% O 182 D 59
2013 374-666 56.2% 223-604 36.9%(47.0) *3s 150-420 35.7%* O 82 D 147
Mostly Carter, Mack, Seagears from 3
2014 *380-633 60.0%* 214-657 32.6(46.0) 3s 188-571 32.9(Jordan)
Judge, Jack, Etou, JJ Moore, Malik Kone inside O 148 D 209
2015 317-566 56.0% 216-663 32.6%(43.3) 3s 152-512 29.6% 0 278 D 110
2016 426-783 54.4% 173-550 31.5%(44.9) 3s 156-485 32.2% O 303 D 236
KP #279 7-25, 278 Stetson 12-22 280 FDU 18-15
This is what stats were like before Pike
Under Pike..
2016-17 #135 15-18 O 231 D 71
2017-18 #130 15-19 O 278 D 28
2018-19 #78 14-17 O 152 D 46
2019-20 #28 20-11 O 72 D 6
2020-21 #38 16-12 O 82 D 16
2021-22 # 96 11-8 O 170 D 53
2016 Nigel Johnson R 41-84 48.8%, M 36-118 30.5%
Mike Williams 49-92 53.3%, 19-53 35.8%
Deshawn Freeman 108-183 56.8%, 21-74 28.4%
CJ Gettys 73-112 65.2%, 28-75 37.3%
Corey Sanders 101-202 50%, 39-140 27.9%
Doorson 13-23, 5-9, Sa 25-47, 6-26, Thiam 10-13, 2-16
Laurent 24-46, 4-16, EO 21-41, 7-27, Diallo 5-17, 1-7
Rim 467-861 54.2% & Mid 168-563 29.8% OffE- 231st 44.5%, 30.2% 3
Nigel, Laurent, Diallo transfer
Corey 87-165 52.7%, 92-241 38.2%
Geo 26-50 52.0%, 43-134 32.1%
Deshawn 88-166 53%, 34-128 26.6%
Mike 36-63 57.1%, 21-50 42%
EO 72-122 59%, 22-72 30.6%
Thiam 21-33, 16-44, Doorson 16-25, 2-4, Bullock 4-7, 5-10
Doucoure 16-35, 20-67, Sa 15-24, 8-30, Souf 3-9, 0-9
Rim 384-700 54.9%, Mid 265-794 33.4% Off E- 278, 43.4%, 29.7% 3
It is more efficient to miss from around the rim or from the arc than miss tons of Mid range shots. I'd say that's coaching up players. The new players need to get on board with it otherwise, we will continue to see 30+ minute starters and less efficient Offense and more losses pile as the year drags on from tired legs. It's how all top teams become top teams. They will see this anywhere they go if you transfer to another competitive P6 team., which JY, MM or Myles is seeing.
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I feel like you do a ton of good (actually great) work pulling stats, but a lot of the time I literally cannot read them. Like this:
2010 Rim 359-623 57.6 Mid 186-525 35.4(47.4) 3s 200-607 32.9 O 163 D 158
2011 354-618 57.3% 253-646 39.2%(48.0) 3s 175-509 34.4 (Rice) O 82 D 86
2012 372-691 53.8% 223-605 36.9%(45.8) 3s 169-504 33.5% O 182 D 59
2013 374-666 56.2% 223-604 36.9%(47.0) *3s 150-420 35.7%* O 82 D 147
Mostly Carter, Mack, Seagears from 3
2014 *380-633 60.0%* 214-657 32.6(46.0) 3s 188-571 32.9(Jordan)
Judge, Jack, Etou, JJ Moore, Malik Kone inside O 148 D 209
2015 317-566 56.0% 216-663 32.6%(43.3) 3s 152-512 29.6% 0 278 D 110
2016 426-783 54.4% 173-550 31.5%(44.9) 3s 156-485 32.2% O 303 D 236
KP #279 7-25, 278 Stetson 12-22 280 FDU 18-15
is not readable by a human. You can copy/paste from excel FYI and it will give you a nice table, i.e.:
| Year | Overall | Record | Off | Def |
| 2016-17 | #135 | 15-18 | #231 | #71 |
| 2017-18 | #130 | 15-19 | #278 | #28 |
| 2018-19 | #78 | 14-17 | #152 | #46 |
| 2019-20 | #28 | 20-11 | #72 | #6 |
| 2020-21 | #38 | 16-12 | #82 | #16 |
| 2021-22 | #96 | 11-8 | #170 | #53 |
(I converted one that doesn't really need it that badly, because it had less data so easier for an example, but you get the point.)
P.S. I'm really not trying to be a dick here, I wouldn't bother with this if I didn't think you always came with the good info.
No problem at all, I'm horrible at that stuff, but good at research, stats, statistics and numbers.
I agree, but it's odd that there are games where the entire team shoots really well, and other games where the team can't even seem to make standard open shots consistently.... Same goes for individual players..
It's not like all the missed shots in their shooting slumps are always more contested and better defended... Heck, the team shot 58.3% against Nebraska (65.5% in the second half), while shooting 55.6% from 3 (80% in the second half). That wasn't just pure luck for every player. Every RU player who scored in that game shot better than 60%, except for Paul (5-11) and Geo (2-7), and the team shot 13-14 from the foul line. Against Purdue we shot 52.1% FG and 50% 3PT.... And every player who scored shot 50% or better, with the exceptions of Paul (1-5) and Jaden (0-1)... Why is there so much disparity between different games? I realize that the defenses we face are different, but it seems like more than just that.
The statistics don’t matter to me at all.
I want quality looks.
If the players go 13-42 on the night and 20 of those misses are quality, clean, in rhythm looks then I have no issue.
The problem is this staff is not putting the players in a position to be successful offensively.
We get crap looks and because of it we get crap results. The staff should be absolutely ashamed of themselves in film sessions.
I want quality looks.
If the players go 13-42 on the night and 20 of those misses are quality, clean, in rhythm looks then I have no issue.
The problem is this staff is not putting the players in a position to be successful offensively.
We get crap looks and because of it we get crap results. The staff should be absolutely ashamed of themselves in film sessions.
You know how fans create minutes and shot distribution preseason charts, well guess what coaches really do that in preparation for a game. When players don't take the shots they are supposed to during a play, others are forced to take it with even less time on the clock. Probably going into the season Geo/RHJ 40%, Caleb/Paul/Cliff 40%, Bench 20%, or something like that. Any variation of those %s could be possessions that didn't go according to plan.
Lehigh 72 FGA
RHJ/Geo 27/72 37.5% Paul/Caleb/Cliff 29/72 40.3% Bench 16/72 22.2%
Merrimack 48 FGA
RG 19/48 39.6% PCC 15/48 31.3% Bench 14/48 29.1%
NJIT 66 FGA
RG 25/66 37.9% PCC 25/66 37.9% Bench 16/66 24.2%
DePaul 63 FGA
RG 24/63 38.1% PCC 21/63 33.3% Bench 18/63 28.6%
Lafayette(Geo hurt-7) Ron 14
RG 21/56 37.5% PC(Hyatt) 21/56 37.5% Bench 15/56 25%
Massachusetts(No Geo)
RJad 21/62 33.9% PCC 26/62 41.9% Bench 15/62 24.2%
Clemson(No Geo)
RJad 20/60 33.3% PCC 22/60 36.7% Bench 18/60 30%
Illinois(No Geo)
RJad 23/68 33.8% PCC 27/68 39.7% Bench 18/68 26.5%
Purdue(No Geo)
RMag 21/48 43.8% PCC 23/48 47.9% Bench 4/48 8.5%
Seton Hall(Geo back) Paul(Start) 0 shots-15 min
RMag 21/57 36.8% GeCC 27/57 47.4% Bench 9/57 15.8%
Maine
RG 17/51 33.3% PCC 25/51 49% Bench 9/51 17.7%
CCSU
RG 12/70 17.1% PCC 27/70 38.6% Bench 31/70 44.3%
Michigan
RG 28/56 50% PCC 21/56 37.5% Bench 7/56 12.5%
Nebraska (like Clemson)
RG 20/60 33.3% PCC 22/60 36.7% Bench 18/60 30%
Penn St
RG 21/56 37.5% PCC 21/56 37.5 Bench 14/56 25%
Maryland
RG 30/56 53.6% PCC 15/56 26.8% Bench 11/56 19.6%
Iowa
RG 20/58 34.5% PCC 23/58 39.7% Bench 15-58 25.9%
Minnesota(maybe 50/33.3/16.7%?)
RG 28/54 51.9% PCC 16/54 29.6% Bench 10-54 18.5%
Maryland
RG 31/64 48.4% PCC 25/64 39.1% Bench 8/64 12.5%
Just gives you an idea how the shots are divvied up on a game by game basis.
There are distinct patterns in shot attempts.
Lehigh 72 FGA
RHJ/Geo 27/72 37.5% Paul/Caleb/Cliff 29/72 40.3% Bench 16/72 22.2%
Merrimack 48 FGA
RG 19/48 39.6% PCC 15/48 31.3% Bench 14/48 29.1%
NJIT 66 FGA
RG 25/66 37.9% PCC 25/66 37.9% Bench 16/66 24.2%
DePaul 63 FGA
RG 24/63 38.1% PCC 21/63 33.3% Bench 18/63 28.6%
Lafayette(Geo hurt-7) Ron 14
RG 21/56 37.5% PC(Hyatt) 21/56 37.5% Bench 15/56 25%
Massachusetts(No Geo)
RJad 21/62 33.9% PCC 26/62 41.9% Bench 15/62 24.2%
Clemson(No Geo)
RJad 20/60 33.3% PCC 22/60 36.7% Bench 18/60 30%
Illinois(No Geo)
RJad 23/68 33.8% PCC 27/68 39.7% Bench 18/68 26.5%
Purdue(No Geo)
RMag 21/48 43.8% PCC 23/48 47.9% Bench 4/48 8.5%
Seton Hall(Geo back) Paul(Start) 0 shots-15 min
RMag 21/57 36.8% GeCC 27/57 47.4% Bench 9/57 15.8%
Maine
RG 17/51 33.3% PCC 25/51 49% Bench 9/51 17.7%
CCSU
RG 12/70 17.1% PCC 27/70 38.6% Bench 31/70 44.3%
Michigan
RG 28/56 50% PCC 21/56 37.5% Bench 7/56 12.5%
Nebraska (like Clemson)
RG 20/60 33.3% PCC 22/60 36.7% Bench 18/60 30%
Penn St
RG 21/56 37.5% PCC 21/56 37.5 Bench 14/56 25%
Maryland
RG 30/56 53.6% PCC 15/56 26.8% Bench 11/56 19.6%
Iowa
RG 20/58 34.5% PCC 23/58 39.7% Bench 15-58 25.9%
Minnesota(maybe 50/33.3/16.7%?)
RG 28/54 51.9% PCC 16/54 29.6% Bench 10-54 18.5%
Maryland
RG 31/64 48.4% PCC 25/64 39.1% Bench 8/64 12.5%
Just gives you an idea how the shots are divvied up on a game by game basis.
There are distinct patterns in shot attempts.
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what a helpful post, Flu. I did not know that (Johnny Carson voice). You are among my favorites because I seem to agree with you approximately 100% of the time...