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Loyal_2RU

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Lots on the board about missed opportunities, but one I have not seen -- Peyton Wiillis needed to have his confidence interrupted and one way to do that was to get hon where he is not comfortable, on the foul line. We should have clobbered him (not viciously) to get him at the foul line and make him more conscious of his shooting. In the first half and than again in second if need be.

Mind games work and we were not on the right side of them today.
 
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Scangg

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Loyal_2RU said:
Lots on the board about missed opportunities, but one I have not seen -- Peyton Wiillis needed to have his confidence interrupted and one way to do that was to get hon where he is not comfortable, on the foul line. We should have clobbered him (not viciously) to get him at the foul line and make him more conscious of his shooting. In the first half and than again in second if need be.

Mind games work and we were not on the right side of them today.
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Especially when he amazingly averages 56% from the FT line. That stat was draw dropping after watching him light it up
 
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Scangg

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We should have made adjustments so much earlier. When someone is one fire like that you have to make someone else beat you.

Earlier in the game we should have started doubling those high screens. Rotate off the other teams worst perimeter shooter and let them shoot an open shot instead

They were missing players. Make one of the role players have to beat you scoring.
 
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Scangg said:
We should have made adjustments so much earlier. When someone is one fire like that you have to make someone else beat you.

Earlier in the game we should have started doubling those high screens. Rotate off the other teams worst perimeter shooter and let them shoot an open shot instead

They were missing players. Make one of the role players have to beat you scoring.
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To their credit, they did get season highs from TWO players.
 
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Westcoast

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Still, you cant just continue to let two guys beat you. Leave some other schmoe wide open but do not let two guys who cant miss beat you.
 
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Scangg

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RW90 said:
To their credit, they did get season highs from TWO players.
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Yea exactly. 2 players. Rotate off their worst perimeter offensive player. There were 2 scoring and a bunch not doing anything besides a couple lucky 7 footer 3s
 
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Loyal_2RU

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Scangg said:
Yea exactly. 2 players. Rotate off their worst perimeter offensive player. There were 2 scoring and a bunch not doing anything besides a couple lucky 7 footer 3s
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This game was lost not executing on the offensive side.

That said in a close game, everything matters.
 
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BillyC80

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Loyal_2RU said:
Lots on the board about missed opportunities, but one I have not seen -- Peyton Wiillis needed to have his confidence interrupted and one way to do that was to get hon where he is not comfortable, on the foul line. We should have clobbered him (not viciously) to get him at the foul line and make him more conscious of his shooting. In the first half and than again in second if need be.

Mind games work and we were not on the right side of them today.
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I’m a big believer in using fouls to keep a team out of sync. I would have put Miller on Willis for a few minutes, with instructions to not let him get a shot off, and to foul him before the shot if he beats you off the dribble.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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My take is the refs knew Minny's bench was short and decided to call far fewer fouls. That helped Minny and when a team is playing short-handed, sometimes the bench players rally... When Willis went nuts with his total green light to shoot.. it just built their confidence... I don't think we played all that badly.. we have seen worse this season. We just had a cold shooting streak at the wrong time (twice) and did not adjust. We started playing the ISO clear-out offense again too.. not good. IMO what we needed was more PM (or anyone else) to Cliff JAMS when we struggled from outside.. and neither was in the game then... odd.
 
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bethlehemfan

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BillyC80 said:
I’m a big believer in using fouls to keep a team out of sync. I would have put Miller on Willis for a few minutes, with instructions to not let him get a shot off, and to foul him before the shot if he beats you off the dribble.
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Lol.
 
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First thing I thought of, @Loyal_2RU when I saw your thread title…



Thank you, as I needed the laugh.👍
 
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BillyC80

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bethlehemfan said:
Lol intentional fouling as a strategy. Have we graduated from rec league yet. Seriously.
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You can slow a team down and keep the ball out of a hot shooter’s hand by judiciously using fouls. It’s a good strategy in certain situations, especially when they are non-shooting fouls.
 
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Loyal_2RU

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BillyC80 said:
You can slow a team down and keep the ball out of a hot shooter’s hand by judiciously using fouls. It’s a good strategy in certain situations, especially when they are non-shooting fouls.
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Ever hear of Hack a Shaq
Was that rec league?
Did they ever foul Myles and get in his head?
Did Cincy beat a better Rutgers team but y talking PI on every long pass attempt.
People really should think before they post
 
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bethlehemfan

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Sorry guys. You’re going to intentionally foul in that situation is stupid. Just because Jack a shack was a thing doesn’t mean that would be a good idea here. You should try thinking loyal cause your post is dumb
 
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BillyC80

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Loyal_2RU said:
Ever hear of Hack a Shaq
Was that rec league?
Did they ever foul Myles and get in his head?
Did Cincy beat a better Rutgers team but y talking PI on every long pass attempt.
People really should think before they post
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Exactly. College coaches use fouling as a strategy for multiple reasons, especially with fouls to give and in end-game situations.
 
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bethlehemfan

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BillyC80 said:
You can slow a team down and keep the ball out of a hot shooter’s hand by judiciously using fouls. It’s a good strategy in certain situations, especially when they are non-shooting fouls.
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It’s stupid. You don’t want to put yourself in the penalty intentionally. Nobody would do that.
 
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Luvscarletknights

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They beat us..Life goes on.....Get over it....Everyday is now a new excuse of how a team higher in the Net beat us at their home court.
 
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bethlehemfan

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Luvscarletknights said:
Nathan fouled a center not a shooting guard. I also think it was because Nathan was not able guard him.
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He’s talking about a foul late in the half. I don’t remember the exact circumstance there but I never suggested it is ever wrong to foul. The op wanted to foul intentionally to play mind games thus putting us closer to the penalty in a close game and risking getting called for a flagrant. It’s just mindnumbingly stupid.
 
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Loyal_2RU

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bethlehemfan said:
He’s talking about a foul late in the half. I don’t remember the exact circumstance there but I never suggested it is ever wrong to foul. The op wanted to foul intentionally to play mind games thus putting us closer to the penalty in a close game and risking getting called for a flagrant. It’s just mindnumbingly stupid.
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In the first half when he was going off.
Take him out of the flow he was in...
 
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Scangg

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He didn't say just foul him immediately hack a Shaq style... he's saying have Miller go in for a few minutes and tell him be up in his jock and overly aggressive. Get in his head. Don't let him shoot. If he beats you off the dribble take a foul.

If you disagree, that's fine. It's not some joke like a few of you are making it out to be. It's obviously a legitimate strategy
 
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bethlehemfan

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Scangg said:
He didn't say just foul him immediately hack a Shaq style... he's saying have Miller go in for a few minutes and tell him be up in his jock and overly aggressive. Get in his head. Don't let him shoot. If he beats you off the dribble take a foul.

If you disagree, that's fine. It's not some joke like a few of you are making it out to be. It's obviously a legitimate strategy
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Aggressive pressure is different than clobber him lol. Read the op you are suggesting something different
 
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Scangg

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bethlehemfan said:
Aggressive pressure is different than clobber him lol. Read the op you are suggesting something different
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You need to read the OP

He said "foul him before the shot if he beats you off the dribble"

The only one talking about clobbering people is you but I'm not opposed to hard clean fouls, nothing dirty
 
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bethlehemfan

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Scangg said:
You need to read the OP

He said "foul him before the shot if he beats you off the dribble"

The only one talking about clobbering people is you but I'm not opposed to hard clean fouls, nothing dirty
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Weird. The op i am reading is not the op you are reading. He literally said clobbered and nothing about beating off the dribble.
 
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RutgersRaRa

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bethlehemfan said:
It’s stupid. You don’t want to put yourself in the penalty intentionally. Nobody would do that.
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Miller wouldn’t have to foul Willis intentionally, just play him tight but not yank Miller if he fouls him when trying to deny him the ball. I was surprised Miller didn’t get in at all. Pikiell was no doubt expecting Willis’s shooting to revert to the mean and for him to get tired due to the short bench, but neither happened. During the game I was telling my buddies how surprised I was that Miller never got in the game to disrupt Willis.
 
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bethlehemfan

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RutgersRaRa said:
Miller wouldn’t have to foul Willis intentionally, just play him tight but not yank Miller if he fouls him when trying to deny him the ball. I was surprised Miller didn’t get in at all. Pikiell was no doubt expecting Willis’s shooting to revert to the mean and for him to get tired due to the short bench, but neither happened. During the game I was telling my buddies how surprised I was that Miller never got in the game to disrupt Willis.
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Agreed. Different than ops clobber him and put him on line to play mind games narrative. I actually was calling for denying zero and pressuring the ball in the game thread. Not sure why pike did not do that but I’m sure he had his reasons.
 
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Loyal_2RU

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bethlehemfan said:
Agreed. Different than ops clobber him and put him on line to play mind games narrative. I actually was calling for denying zero and pressuring the ball in the game thread. Not sure why pike did not do that but I’m sure he had his reasons.
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Both are true.
By clobber, I meant let him know that he was being fouled and that in order to be effective offensively he was going to have to hit his foul shots as well as his three point field goals...
 
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BillyC80

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Loyal_2RU said:
Both are true.
By clobber, I meant let him know that he was being fouled and that in order to be effective offensively he was going to have to hit his foul shots as well as his three point field goals...
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One thing I’ve learned on these boards is when someone wants to disagree with you, they’ll cherry pick your comments so that you have to parse every word, because they’ll take that one word and harp on it the whole time. I knew what you meant, and you even qualified it in your OP. Like a brush-back pitch in baseball, it’s ok to occasionally send a message that is within the rules of the game.
 
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